Offsetting Peak oil for one to two decades: Viable Electric cars for less than $5000 electric car credit

Previously this site looked at a technology that is almost in hand for solving excess manmade CO2 (possible global warming) and now a simple nearly in hand technology and plan for addressing peak oil. They both need to be part of an overall energy and technology development plan, but a key point is technology and good planning can solve the issues that the world is concerned about. Some may say, hey if we can solve peak oil and climate change with those simple technologies and painless plans then we are done. No, we have to provide enough clean energy so that everyone living in China, India, Africa etc… can be rich. This will require a lot more energy per capita. Many of the negawatt plans are basically plans to make everyone poor with very little energy per person. Those negawatt are bad plans that ignore what people really want. Long term we will need to switch to clean electric power sources (nuclear fission, nuclear fusion, solar, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric and others)

UPDATE: H/T Instapundit. A description of why small cars are not unsafe on the road when hit by an SUV. Although we would be safer if there were fewer large vehicles on the road

John McCain has proposed a $5000 tax credit for electric cars.

Inexpensive electric cars that cost less than $5000 could be purchased as extra commuter vehicles without the need to wait for people to get rid of their current cars which can take a decade or more. A model of an inflatable electric car could be only $2500 in price and available starting in 2010-2011. Such an inexpensive vehicle would make economic sense to drivers who could have the cost recovered in fuel savings in one year or less instead of over ten years with current expensive hybrids.
UPDATE: Addressing the possibility that the inflatable electric car does not deliver or is a hoax. There are other cheap electric car possibilities listed here. An electric Tata Nano. The concepts for an inflatable electric car do not sound impossible and would seem to offer valid though radical concepts that would be worthwhile to research even if those behind XP Vehicles were not the ones to do it.

This would be a solution to Peak Oil. Offsetting peak oil for one to two decades allows time for the transition build up of nuclear and other energy sources. Peak oil is the problem when oil production starts to decline and the price of oil increasing rapidly. Current price increases are peak lite, with demand exceeding supply and supply still increasing. If we are able to rapidly scale up to tens of millions and then hundreds of millions of electric cars below $5000 with a driving range between charges over 200 miles and able to hold 4 passengers then the electric commuter car should rapidly achieve 50-80% adoption with some government support on prices and regulations. 30% of US and world fuel usage could then be displaced, which would be about 30 million barrels of oil per day. A straight line ten year deployment would be fuel savings that cumulatively increase at 3 million barrels of oil per day each year. If there was oil production decline then the 3 million barrels per day would offset the decline in production. This would free up any new algae biofuel production increases and other measures to address increased demand.

Inflatable electric cars could have 2500 mile range using a single hot-swap XPack Multi-CoreTM Battery/Fuel Cell power plant.

40% of US oil is used for cars. There are 850 million cars in the world and 2 million of them are hybrid electric.

There are over 60,000 electric cars in the United States

There are many electric cars that are starting or will be starting production listed at wikipedia.

India’s Tata Motors is rumored to produce a compressed air car that would cost around Rs. 350,000 [US$8200] in India with a range of 300 km [180 miles] and would only need US$2 for the electricity to compress the air for refueling. None of the materials for the vehicle would have supply issues for replacing 850 million cars unlike Lithium for high performance batteries. The range of the compressed air only car drops when it is driven at highway speeds to less than half the distance.

Some analysts believe the need to build an infrastructure of compressor stations and the need to comply with strict safety standards would prevent the compressed air car from being any more than city based commuter option niche vehicle.

“In North America, it’s basically a nonstarter,” says Rinek, admitting that there are limited niche markets. “The only potential, if any, would be for an inner-city, short-commute vehicle with an ultra-greenie owner.”

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In the dual-mode version [hybrid], with assistance from fuel, speeds can reach 100 miles per hour, and range expands to 900 miles on less than a gallon of fuel (although the faster one goes, the shorter the range). ZPM wants to produce a 6-seater, 75-hp model with a 1000 mile range at 96 mph, all for just $17,800.

A compressed air car would have no expensive batteries to replace

The cheapest cars in the world in March 2008 part One #10 to #6

The cheapest cars in the world in March 2008 part two #5 to #1

#1. Tata Nano: 4-door hatchback. India. $2,497. Weighs about 700kg.
#2. Chery QQ: 4-door hatchback. China. $4,781.
#3. Suzuki Maruti 800: 5-door hatchback. $4,994.
#4. Geely MR: 5-door. China. $5,500
#5. Geely HQ SRV: 5-door “tall” estate. China $5,780

Light cars are the best for converting into electric cars

Twelve cheapest cars in the USA

A 2007 Business week look at the race to make cheap at less than or near $3000

The Speculist had noted that there appears to be a short bridge and transition in cars through hybrid cars to electric cars Very light electric cars (700 kg or less) would use one third or less the number of batteries which are the most expensive part of an electric car that is targeting the low end market. Using fewer batteries to move less material note only makes the car cheaper (which increases unit sales) but also allows for an easier ramp up of the battery industry to support more electric vehicles. Use one third the batteries and the same amount of batteries makes three cars instead of one. A projection of one million electric cars in one year becomes three million electric cars.

Currently there are 25 million electric bikes and scooters being made each year. The bikes and scooters weight 25-200 pounds and move one person at up to 70mph with ranges up to 100 miles. A light electric car (including one or two passengers) might only move three times the weight of a loaded electric scooter 400-500 pounds). Three times the batteries would be 8 million electric cars to equal the batteries fo 25 million more power electric scooters.

Lighter cars with lower power requirements can also make better use of integrated solar panels. The Prius is using 2-5 KW solar panels to power the air conditioning in a Toyota Prius

5KW is 6.7 Horsepower. The Tata Nano has a 33 HP engine. An electric Tata Nano car with 5 KW solar panels could provide 1 hour of driving time for every 5 hours of charging time.

The model T had 20 HP (15KW) engine and a top speed of 40 mph

The Model T weighed 540 Kg

Improve the solar cells to slightly over double the power generation would allow unlimited urban driving for an electric car.

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Gaetano, we all know that every advanced country could make a lunar lander/rover (and Russians already done it). The problem is not "the technology known everywhere", it's to do this with a very tiny budget and by a private entity (not a government, be it China or whatever).

And don't forget there is a large chasm between knowing the technology and making it work. I think, some degree of international competing is an excellent idea, but i don't buy the "pride boomerang" thinghy. There is much more to win with a friendly, cooperative international mood...


"I would be happy to have those ideas stolen and used to develop space."

please wait and say it again when that will REALLY happen... 🙂



I think I have some valuable ideas on how to improve several space systems. However, I would be happy to have those ideas stolen and used to develop space.

Other ideas that I have where I can actually develop them. I do not tell other people but work on developing them.

If you feel you are owed something for a moonrover prize idea, then complain to Google about it..if you think they stole it. I think it was an obvious idea and not innovative. Akin to a movie idea like there should be a Star Wars 7, 8 and 9. The google lunar X prize is a sequel to the original Xprize and the lunar lander prizes.


"Irrelevant since the moonrover prize idea is meaningless without the actual prize."

so, if a big PRIVATE company will use a VALUABLE idea YOU have developed (a movie, a TV show, a new adverising, etc.) without pay you a CENT, will you be HAPPY of that?


I think it would be great if a team from another country won the prize. It would help shake up the pork barrel US space program.

About the moonrover idea being yours. Irrelevant since the moonrover prize idea is meaningless without the actual prize.



HOW and WHY the Google Lunar X Prize could become a BOOMERANG for the american pride!

Google has estabilished the INTERNATIONAL Lunar X Prize giving five years of time to win a $20M to $30M prize.

Probably they suppose that, since USA (with NASA) is the world leader in (manned and robotic) spaceflights, ONLY an american team can win the prize!

But, the technology to develop a lunar rover and land it on the moon is (now) known EVERYWHERE in the world, and, especially by three fast growing (and strong political, military, industrial, commercial and technological RIVALS) countries like Russia, India and China!

So, the Google Lunar X Prize could become a BOOMERANG for the american pride (and the prestige of the american space industry) if a team from these RIVAL countries will win the prize (maybe, also in LESS time!) that (worse!) under the eyes of six billions peoples, thanks to Sat-TVs and internet sites like Google and YouTube...

Full analysis here:

YouTube video:

Hey Google, the Moonrovers Prize was MY idea!!!