Anti-establishment politics trend theory ignores the muslim aspect

Ian Bremmer, President of the Eurasian Group presents his theory that there has been a global backlash against the establishment, immigration and globalization as a global trend. He also indicates four drivers of the movement.

Bremmer does not mention the muslim aspect and does not compare each of the drivers to historical levels and does not look at the statistical amounts of each driver by country.

Examples of the global trend against the establishment

* The Brexit referendum was before the U.S. presidential election.
* Germany has the rise of the Alternatives for Deutschland, an actively Euro-skeptic party for the first time since World War II
* Italian elections threw out all of the establishment parties and instead it’s the Five Star Movement and the League, again Euro-skeptic, anti-immigration, populist political forces.

Bremmer claims this is unusual. Bremmers theory is that the middle and working class are not advancing economically and resent the newcomers.

Anti-immigration

There is a lot of anti-immigration. Bremmer claims demographics have changed in the United States, in Canada and in Europe over the past decades and a lot of people do not like the change.

Canada and Australia are leaders in immigration but the anti-immigration movements are not that strong in those countries.

Italy only has about 8% of the population as foreign-born.

Singapore is a developed city-country with high levels of immigration but there appears to be very little anti-immigration activity. Singapore started with large numbers of Southeast Asian muslims. Muslims are 60% of Malaysia. Singapore was part of Malaysia. Singapore has been stable with about 15% malaysian population from 1965 to today.

There have historically been higher levels of immigration and higher percentages of foreign-born people in the US than current levels.

Military

A third piece has been the military. The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars. There has been monetary cost but also injuries and lives losts by many families. Many veterans and their families were angry and votes for Bernie Sanders or for Donald Trump.

However, Bremmer making the case that is true for the allies is a stretch. Canada and European allies did not send troops to all of the US conflicts and did not have nearly the level of troops involved or the injuries.

There is a list of the casualties suffered by Canada as an example.

Canada has had about 160 dead and 600 or so wounded in the conflicts in the last 20 years and it has nearly all been in Afghanistan.

Technology and Social Media

Technology today is increasingly driving people apart. Bremmer claims that people are getting belief reinforcing news from social media and the internet.

History and other theories

Britain has had as many people with military involvement as the US as has had. Between 2007 and 2015, the U.K. was the only advanced country to see wages shrink while the overall economy grew.

Nextbigfuture thinks Bremmer tip-toed around the muslim religion and race aspects.

The number of refugees admitted to the USA fell in 2018, especially muslim refugees

106 thoughts on “Anti-establishment politics trend theory ignores the muslim aspect”

  1. No, I was reading his new book and his theory is NOT that established industrial economies resent immigrant outsiders. The theory is that patterns of industrial growth overall have abandoned middle classes throughout the world. This includes China, which has thousands of documented demonstrations against the government. The Islamic factor however was in fact underreported, as Bremmer only cursorily cited muslim countries to prove his theory. Iraq, for example, is now in a classic nationalist struggle against Iran and its own corruption, but was not really discussed.

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  2. No I was reading his new book and his theory is NOT that established industrial economies resent immigrant outsiders. The theory is that patterns of industrial growth overall have abandoned middle classes throughout the world. This includes China which has thousands of documented demonstrations against the government.The Islamic factor however was in fact underreported as Bremmer only cursorily cited muslim countries to prove his theory. Iraq for example is now in a classic nationalist struggle against Iran and its own corruption but was not really discussed.

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  3. No, I was reading his new book and his theory is NOT that established industrial economies resent immigrant outsiders. The theory is that patterns of industrial growth overall have abandoned middle classes throughout the world. This includes China, which has thousands of documented demonstrations against the government. The Islamic factor however was in fact underreported, as Bremmer only cursorily cited muslim countries to prove his theory. Iraq, for example, is now in a classic nationalist struggle against Iran and its own corruption, but was not really discussed.

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  4. No I was reading his new book and his theory is NOT that established industrial economies resent immigrant outsiders. The theory is that patterns of industrial growth overall have abandoned middle classes throughout the world. This includes China which has thousands of documented demonstrations against the government.The Islamic factor however was in fact underreported as Bremmer only cursorily cited muslim countries to prove his theory. Iraq for example is now in a classic nationalist struggle against Iran and its own corruption but was not really discussed.

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  5. No, I was reading his new book and his theory is NOT that established industrial economies resent immigrant outsiders. The theory is that patterns of industrial growth overall have abandoned middle classes throughout the world. This includes China, which has thousands of documented demonstrations against the government.

    The Islamic factor however was in fact underreported, as Bremmer only cursorily cited muslim countries to prove his theory. Iraq, for example, is now in a classic nationalist struggle against Iran and its own corruption, but was not really discussed.

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  6. This guy is nothing but an elitist peddling elitist BS to other elitists, nothing more. When the Revolution reaches its end phase, he and his elitist clients will be the ones with their backs up against the wall, too.

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  7. This guy is nothing but an elitist peddling elitist BS to other elitists nothing more.When the Revolution reaches its end phase he and his elitist clients will be the ones with their backs up against the wall too.

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  8. class klɑːs/Submit noun 1. a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality. “it has good accommodation for a hotel of this class” synonyms: category, grade, rating, classification, group, grouping, bracket, set, division More 2. a system of ordering society whereby people are divided into sets based on perceived social or economic status. “people who are socially disenfranchised by class” It’s only you who are adding extra provisions about it being fixed and eternal without movement between classes. And then you get confused when other people don’t use your private definition.

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  9. classklɑːs/Submitnoun1.a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind type or quality.it has good accommodation for a hotel of this class””synonyms: category”” grade rating classification group grouping bracket set”” division More2.a system of ordering society whereby people are divided into sets based on perceived social or economic status.””””people who are socially disenfranchised by class””””It’s only you who are adding extra provisions about it being fixed and eternal without movement between classes. And then you get confused when other people don’t use your private definition.”””””””

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  10. This guy is nothing but an elitist peddling elitist BS to other elitists, nothing more.

    When the Revolution reaches its end phase, he and his elitist clients will be the ones with their backs up against the wall, too.

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  11. class
    klɑːs/Submit
    noun
    1.
    a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality.
    “it has good accommodation for a hotel of this class”
    synonyms: category, grade, rating, classification, group, grouping, bracket, set, division More
    2.
    a system of ordering society whereby people are divided into sets based on perceived social or economic status.
    “people who are socially disenfranchised by class”

    It’s only you who are adding extra provisions about it being fixed and eternal without movement between classes. And then you get confused when other people don’t use your private definition.

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  12. US is ethnocetnric, like EVERY other society on this good planet. Otherwise it wouldnt be able to function. Ethnocentrism is not political theory, ethnocentrism is feature of human brain. The more similar someone to you is the more it is likely that, given right circumstances, your brain will be able to trick itself intto hinking you share genes with this person, kick-starting kinship based altruism mechanisms of cooperation. Under right pressures you can switch in-group preference from smaller group to bigger group provided that the bigger one has enough similarities to justify transition. In case of US smaller group loyalities were replaced by bigger one. First it was protestant population from England, Dutch, Germany and so forth; later it was enlarged to include other groups of europeans and finally entirety of Europe. As result the core population was build around WASP similarity, and entire american nation is settled around ethnicity identified as being “white” that is of european descent. That is the reason why Americans are so crazy about racial divisions, whereas europeans are not. And this is what allwoed american melting pot” to function. This is practical truth of how and what happened, not romanticised version based on humanistic ideals. If you want to test those ideals, then you need to start a new country with people from all around the globe, not with core population sharing certain characteristics.

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  13. US is ethnocetnric like EVERY other society on this good planet. Otherwise it wouldnt be able to function. Ethnocentrism is not political theory ethnocentrism is feature of human brain. The more similar someone to you is the more it is likely that given right circumstances your brain will be able to trick itself intto hinking you share genes with this person kick-starting kinship based altruism mechanisms of cooperation. Under right pressures you can switch in-group preference from smaller group to bigger group provided that the bigger one has enough similarities to justify transition. In case of US smaller group loyalities were replaced by bigger one. First it was protestant population from England Dutch Germany and so forth; later it was enlarged to include other groups of europeans and finally entirety of Europe. As result the core population was build around WASP similarity and entire american nation is settled around ethnicity identified as being white”” that is of european descent. That is the reason why Americans are so crazy about racial divisions”””” whereas europeans are not. And this is what allwoed american melting pot”””” to function. This is practical truth of how and what happened”” not romanticised version based on humanistic ideals. If you want to test those ideals then you need to start a new country with people from all around the globe”” not with core population sharing certain characteristics.”””

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  14. And if you want that not to a happen, don’t write bullshit as does a Leftist. ” “The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.

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  15. And if you want that not to a happen don’t write bullshit as does a Leftist. “”The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.”””” “””

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  16. US is ethnocetnric, like EVERY other society on this good planet. Otherwise it wouldnt be able to function. Ethnocentrism is not political theory, ethnocentrism is feature of human brain. The more similar someone to you is the more it is likely that, given right circumstances, your brain will be able to trick itself intto hinking you share genes with this person, kick-starting kinship based altruism mechanisms of cooperation. Under right pressures you can switch in-group preference from smaller group to bigger group provided that the bigger one has enough similarities to justify transition. In case of US smaller group loyalities were replaced by bigger one. First it was protestant population from England, Dutch, Germany and so forth; later it was enlarged to include other groups of europeans and finally entirety of Europe. As result the core population was build around WASP similarity, and entire american nation is settled around ethnicity identified as being “white” that is of european descent. That is the reason why Americans are so crazy about racial divisions, whereas europeans are not. And this is what allwoed american melting pot” to function. This is practical truth of how and what happened, not romanticised version based on humanistic ideals. If you want to test those ideals, then you need to start a new country with people from all around the globe, not with core population sharing certain characteristics.

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  17. And if you want that not to a happen, don’t write bullshit as does a Leftist.

    ” “The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.” <-- That is false. If you believe ut, you believe a lie. If you do not beleive it, you are lying. Which is it? Do you have anything but baseless bias to support your otherwise known false preconceptions?

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  18. Gordon Brown ex UK PM stated ” In order to fight global terrorism, we eed a world government. This is part of’ The’ Vision 2020′ but every citizen on the planet will need their Biometric ID & inserted microchip ! Bon Voyage to the Future !

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  19. Gordon Brown ex UK PM stated In order to fight global terrorism” we eed a world government.This is part of’ The’ Vision 2020′ but every citizen on the planet will need their Biometric ID & inserted microchip ! Bon Voyage to the Future !”

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  20. These studies are stilted because they are alway done by people in a left wing bubble and letting in people with right of center viewpoints would be giving literally Hitler a voice.

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  21. These studies are stilted because they are alway done by people in a left wing bubble and letting in people with right of center viewpoints would be giving literally Hitler a voice.

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  22. I’m late to this but here’s what I just got: Zorg: “people are sick of barbarians trashing their country” Mordriel: “You know what we need is a really strong government to dictate how people live their lives” Klytus (the head of Ming the Merciless’ Secret Police, aka me): “You know once you go police state and thought control you never go back” I’m pretty sure that if your answer is “An encompassing State the controls everyone’s lives” then you asked the wrong question.

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  23. I’m late to this but here’s what I just got:Zorg: people are sick of barbarians trashing their country””Mordriel: “”””You know what we need is a really strong government to dictate how people live their lives””””Klytus (the head of Ming the Merciless’ Secret Police”””” aka me): “”””You know once you go police state and thought control you never go back””””I’m pretty sure that if your answer is “”””An encompassing State the controls everyone’s lives”””” then you asked the wrong question.”””

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  24. Honestly, I think there’s a problem with the religion itself and their leaders. The religion litterally translate to “Submission” and the religious leaders denounce the West as basically Satan. More than half of muslims in western countries are on the side of terrorists and want muslim religious law (Sharia) to be instated. I live in Europe and the only guy from maghreb that I met who was a nice person, I understood later that he had christian parents. Others were troublemakers, rude, aggressive, bad education, etc… There are actual xenophobes in europe, but much less than what you might think, and you’ll recognize one to the fact that they dislike all foreigners. The media will hammer into you the ideals of tolerance, inclusivity and multiculturalism, but they will only look harshly at the native’s xenophobia, while being completely blind to the fact that the other side is showing strong in-group preference in total impunity.

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  25. Honestly I think there’s a problem with the religion itself and their leaders. The religion litterally translate to Submission”” and the religious leaders denounce the West as basically Satan. More than half of muslims in western countries are on the side of terrorists and want muslim religious law (Sharia) to be instated.I live in Europe and the only guy from maghreb that I met who was a nice person”” I understood later that he had christian parents. Others were troublemakers rude aggressive bad education etc…There are actual xenophobes in europe but much less than what you might think and you’ll recognize one to the fact that they dislike all foreigners.The media will hammer into you the ideals of tolerance inclusivity and multiculturalism but they will only look harshly at the native’s xenophobia”” while being completely blind to the fact that the other side is showing strong in-group preference in total impunity.”””

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  26. EU is doing this experiment for some years, muslims are still minority and you can already see that this is not working, it’s a disaster. We’re not mature enough to design and live in such world. We’re still the same tribalistic monkeys as we were 100 000’s years ago. Only difference is that we have iPhones and other tech. If all humanity will become less religious, major religions become small sects, then there’s a chance.

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  27. EU is doing this experiment for some years muslims are still minority and you can already see that this is not working it’s a disaster.We’re not mature enough to design and live in such world. We’re still the same tribalistic monkeys as we were 100 000’s years ago. Only difference is that we have iPhones and other tech.If all humanity will become less religious major religions become small sects then there’s a chance.

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  28. Only hope to avoid future wars and Europe not being led by muslims is fast science and tech progress and economic development of poor parts of middle east. Richer countries tend to become less religious. Also when poor muslim countries will become prosperous I do not see reason why they need to migrate here in tens of millions. EU with China should help them rebuild their cities destroyed by war. On the other hand, if they become more prosperous(more money for advanced weapon development), multiply in EU, will setup mosque on every corner and in general still will be extremely religious and treat our culture with contempt like now we’re in BIG trouble. If we see such trend in next 10 years, we(EU) must simply deport most of them to their countries. They can visit EU as tourists, do business with us but I can not agree to EU becoming muslim continent with dominating muslim culture, religion and laws, forcing me to follow their culture and rules. The problem is than EU is becoming more and more agnostic while in muslim countries, even rich religion is VERY strong and their culture is obviously strongly connected with religious laws which we will never accept. Building new mosques should be banned from today. I hope that central Europe will never allow to construct new mosques in their countries. This is how it all began in Western Europe. Now they are not telling us that but they are all in huge trouble and mess.

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  29. Only hope to avoid future wars and Europe not being led by muslims is fast science and tech progress and economic development of poor parts of middle east. Richer countries tend to become less religious.Also when poor muslim countries will become prosperous I do not see reason why they need to migrate here in tens of millions.EU with China should help them rebuild their cities destroyed by war.On the other hand if they become more prosperous(more money for advanced weapon development) multiply in EU will setup mosque on every corner and in general still will be extremely religious and treat our culture with contempt like now we’re in BIG trouble.If we see such trend in next 10 years we(EU) must simply deport most of them to their countries.They can visit EU as tourists do business with us but I can not agree to EU becoming muslim continent with dominating muslim culture religion and laws forcing me to follow their culture and rules.The problem is than EU is becoming more and more agnostic while in muslim countries even rich religion is VERY strong and their culture is obviously strongly connected with religious laws which we will never accept.Building new mosques should be banned from today.I hope that central Europe will never allow to construct new mosques in their countries. This is how it all began in Western Europe.Now they are not telling us that but they are all in huge trouble and mess.

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  30. Personally, I’m more for a We the People of Earth. One government, one military. No borders. ” What cannot be accomplished but by totalitarian force is inherently evil and should not be attempted or hoped for.

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  31. Personally I’m more for a We the People of Earth. One government” one military. No borders. “”What cannot be accomplished but by totalitarian force is inherently evil and should not be attempted or hoped for.”””

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  32. “The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.” – what bull$hit. ” Is exactly correct. The fact wealth is to a degree heritable has nothing to say about that, as participation in the military among all centiles of wealth is largely a family tradition. There are also no guaranteed legal mechanisms in the US by which the wealthy can count on preserving wealth through so much as one generation’s ill judgement or luck. ” And you also can’t deny that someone who is born into a family where nobody will end up earning more than $50k/year is more likely to join the infantry than someone born into a family where everyone will end up on $500k/year. ” That is not merely not the case, the opposite is true. freakonomics.com/2008/09/22/who-serves-in-the-military-today/

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  33. “”The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.”””” – what bull$hit. “”””Is exactly correct. The fact wealth is to a degree heritable has nothing to say about that”””” as participation in the military among all centiles of wealth is largely a family tradition. There are also no guaranteed legal mechanisms in the US by which the wealthy can count on preserving wealth through so much as one generation’s ill judgement or luck.”””” And you also can’t deny that someone who is born into a family where nobody will end up earning more than $50k/year is more likely to join the infantry than someone born into a family where everyone will end up on $500k/year. “””” That is not merely not the case”””” the opposite is true.freakonomics.com/2008/09/22/who-serves-in-the-military-today/ “””

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  34. As it turns out, US was build also as ethnocentric ” No. America originated as a multi-ethnic society–at the time, German and English were seen as very different ethnicities–and the appropriate integration of such further afield immigrants as Polish, Scandanavian, Italian was seen as even more doubtful. ” Current migration problems and rise of anti-establishment parties is direct result of ethnocentrism. ” No, it is the attempt by one party, Democrats, to illegally import voters for their side which originates what you falsely call ethnocentric.

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  35. As it turns out” US was build also as ethnocentric “”No. America originated as a multi-ethnic society–at the time”” German and English were seen as very different ethnicities–and the appropriate integration of such further afield immigrants as Polish Scandanavian”” Italian was seen as even more doubtful.”””” Current migration problems and rise of anti-establishment parties is direct result of ethnocentrism. “”””No”” it is the attempt by one party Democrats”” to illegally import voters for their side which originates what you falsely call ethnocentric.”””

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  36. There’s nothing at all excluding there being a general anti-establishment movement and it having a strong anti-muslim element in many places. The moslem middle east is having a general crisis of legitimacy in Iran, KSA, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, etc., and refugees from this are the primary recent immigrants to Europe about which the host population rightfully object.

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  37. There’s nothing at all excluding there being a general anti-establishment movement and it having a strong anti-muslim element in many places. The moslem middle east is having a general crisis of legitimacy in Iran KSA Egypt Morocco Tunisia Libya etc. and refugees from this are the primary recent immigrants to Europe about which the host population rightfully object.

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  38. These people are getting payed to work as if they were slaves .” Frequently, according to reports I’ve heard, when they decide they don’t like the job anymore, they find out they ARE slaves.

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  39. These people are getting payed to work as if they were slaves .””Frequently”” according to reports I’ve heard when they decide they don’t like the job anymore”” they find out they ARE slaves.”””

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  40. Gordon Brown ex UK PM stated ” In order to fight global terrorism, we eed a world government.
    This is part of’ The’ Vision 2020′ but every citizen on the planet will need their Biometric ID & inserted microchip ! Bon Voyage to the Future !

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  41. Of course he is tip-toing around question of islam and race, or to be precise-ethnocentrism present in human species and in-group prefernce. It is anathema to talka about this because ot makes you “literally Hitler”. Showing example of US as supposed counter-argument to ethnocentrism seems to be good at first, but once you examine mechanisms allowing human species to cooperate within groups-it falls apart. As it turns out, US was build also as ethnocentric and is not exception but follows the rule to the “T”. Current migration problems and rise of anti-establishment parties is direct result of ethnocentrism.

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  42. Of course he is tip-toing around question of islam and race or to be precise-ethnocentrism present in human species and in-group prefernce. It is anathema to talka about this because ot makes you literally Hitler””. Showing example of US as supposed counter-argument to ethnocentrism seems to be good at first”” but once you examine mechanisms allowing human species to cooperate within groups-it falls apart. As it turns out”” US was build also as ethnocentric and is not exception but follows the rule to the “”””T””””. Current migration problems and rise of anti-establishment parties is direct result of ethnocentrism.”””

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  43. There are no immigrants in Saoudi Arabia or United arab emirates . These people are getting payed to work as if they were slaves . They will not get saoudi or UAE passports . To mention these nations in this list is completely fake . All so Pakistan has fugitives from Afghanistan , these are all so not immigrants . Afghans will all so never get pakistani passports . Even arabians who fled Israel in 1948 don’t have passports of the countries they fled to . This is all part of muslim politics . In europe they are so stupid to present passports to every muslim immigrant that enters the country . In muslim countries it is only a rare exception . Deliberately they are mixing up immigrants with workforces and fugitives . All so the title “number of muslim refugees entering etc ” is biased . When you look at the graph you can see that this title is for christian , muslim and other religions alike . It looks as if goebbels is every where nowadays .

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  44. There are no immigrants in Saoudi Arabia or United arab emirates . These people are getting payed to work as if they were slaves . They will not get saoudi or UAE passports . To mention these nations in this list is completely fake . All so Pakistan has fugitives from Afghanistan these are all so not immigrants . Afghans will all so never get pakistani passports . Even arabians who fled Israel in 1948 don’t have passports of the countries they fled to .This is all part of muslim politics . In europe they are so stupid to present passports to every muslim immigrant that enters the country . In muslim countries it is only a rare exception . Deliberately they are mixing up immigrants with workforces and fugitives .All so the title umber of muslim refugees entering etc “” is biased . When you look at the graph you can see that this title is for christian “””” muslim and other religions alike . It looks as if goebbels is every where nowadays .”””

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  45. If you want to predict what’s going to happen, just look at what has already happened in countries ahead of the curve. Sweden is a good (bad) example. Immigration per capita is by far the biggest in EU. The borders have been literally wide open for years and the inflow has been completely out of control. There has been no requirement for ID and the amount of money handed out to immigrants have made Sweden the favourite destination. Market economy has kicked in and there is a massive activity from organizations transporting these economic immigrants (not refugees). Meanwhile, the society has degraded quickly over a period of 10 years. Infrastructure like healthcare, education and law & order have basically collapsed. People are getting shot on the streets on a weekly basis, cars are burning by the hundreds every now and then, gang rapes and robberies are at a scale where it’s not even reported anymore etc. To restore the situation, inhuman actions of a kind not been seen in modern times would have to be taken. That will never happen, especially not in Sweden, which has the world record for peace. Election is in a week. The traditional left/right (50/50) situation is no more and there is now a third block (30%) with a program that looks like a normal party program 20 – 30 years ago. The establishment have been trying to cover up the entire situation for years and accuse anyone exposing them for all sorts of horrible things. But they couldn’t control internet. They are trying hard though. They made deals with Facebook, Google etc. Cheap power and subsidized datacenters traded for a hotline where they can ban any information on social media, Youtube etc. at will. And they are indeed using this tools a lot. Sounds like fiction but it is reality. They are now also changing the constitution so they can criminalize opinions. The mostly muslim dominated immigration groups have now started to conquer territory and there are hundreds of no-go zones where the police are no

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  46. If you want to predict what’s going to happen just look at what has already happened in countries ahead of the curve. Sweden is a good (bad) example. Immigration per capita is by far the biggest in EU. The borders have been literally wide open for years and the inflow has been completely out of control. There has been no requirement for ID and the amount of money handed out to immigrants have made Sweden the favourite destination. Market economy has kicked in and there is a massive activity from organizations transporting these economic immigrants (not refugees).Meanwhile the society has degraded quickly over a period of 10 years. Infrastructure like healthcare education and law & order have basically collapsed. People are getting shot on the streets on a weekly basis cars are burning by the hundreds every now and then gang rapes and robberies are at a scale where it’s not even reported anymore etc.To restore the situation inhuman actions of a kind not been seen in modern times would have to be taken. That will never happen especially not in Sweden which has the world record for peace.Election is in a week. The traditional left/right (50/50) situation is no more and there is now a third block (30{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}) with a program that looks like a normal party program 20 – 30 years ago. The establishment have been trying to cover up the entire situation for years and accuse anyone exposing them for all sorts of horrible things. But they couldn’t control internet. They are trying hard though. They made deals with Facebook Google etc. Cheap power and subsidized datacenters traded for a hotline where they can ban any information on social media Youtube etc. at will. And they are indeed using this tools a lot. Sounds like fiction but it is reality. They are now also changing the constitution so they can criminalize opinions. The mostly muslim dominated immigration groups have now started to conquer terri

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  47. We are entering an era of nationalism and populism due to immigration from people with cultures that are hostile to their host countries.

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  48. We are entering an era of nationalism and populism due to immigration from people with cultures that are hostile to their host countries.

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  49. If it doesn’t walk like a duck, quack like a duck or look like a duck => it’s not a duck. It’s those boundaries that a class structure imposes that define the ‘class’ process; roughly – stay in your place, profession or location. If the U.S. had classes, it would be manifest in the “upper” classes dominating politics, military, entertainment, sports & business, but ‘they’ don’t. What ‘class’ did Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Aretha Franklin, Chester Nimitz or Kanye West come from? People “end up” where the consequences of their decisions eventually put them, whether they start from wealth or not. And blood – because the author seemed to imply that when shed, not enough is blue. I will admit our Justices seem to come only from Harvard/Yale classes.

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  50. If it doesn’t walk like a duck quack like a duck or look like a duck => it’s not a duck. It’s those boundaries that a class structure imposes that define the ‘class’ process; roughly – stay in your place profession or location. If the U.S. had classes it would be manifest in the upper”” classes dominating politics”” military entertainment sports & business but ‘they’ don’t. What ‘class’ did Bill Clinton Barack Obama Bill Gates Elon Musk Aretha Franklin”” Chester Nimitz or Kanye West come from?People “”””end up”””” where the consequences of their decisions eventually put them”” whether they start from wealth or not. And blood – because the author seemed to imply that when shed”” not enough is blue.I will admit our Justices seem to come only from Harvard/Yale classes.”””

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  51. I’m late to this but here’s what I just got:

    Zorg: “people are sick of barbarians trashing their country”

    Mordriel: “You know what we need is a really strong government to dictate how people live their lives”

    Klytus (the head of Ming the Merciless’ Secret Police, aka me): “You know once you go police state and thought control you never go back”

    I’m pretty sure that if your answer is “An encompassing State the controls everyone’s lives” then you asked the wrong question.

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  52. Icepilot, I thought that was a weird way to put it too, but your objection is more unrealistic than the original line. ” The US doesn’t have classes” It may not have formally recognised layers with distinct boundaries, but you cannot deny that there are people who grow up and live within different levels of socioeconomic development within the USA. If you don’t like using the word “class” for that, what word would you use? And you also can’t deny that someone who is born into a family where nobody will end up earning more than $50k/year is more likely to join the infantry than someone born into a family where everyone will end up on $500k/year. I agree that nobody is “forced” to join the military. But that wasn’t what was said. Though I’ll grant that it was left open as an optional interpretation. And blood colour? How does that come into it?

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  53. Icepilot I thought that was a weird way to put it too but your objection is more unrealistic than the original line. The US doesn’t have classes”” It may not have formally recognised layers with distinct boundaries”””” but you cannot deny that there are people who grow up and live within different levels of socioeconomic development within the USA. If you don’t like using the word “”””class”””” for that”””” what word would you use?And you also can’t deny that someone who is born into a family where nobody will end up earning more than $50k/year is more likely to join the infantry than someone born into a family where everyone will end up on $500k/year.I agree that nobody is “”””forced”””” to join the military. But that wasn’t what was said. Though I’ll grant that it was left open as an optional interpretation.And blood colour? How does that come into it?”””

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  54. Honestly, I think there’s a problem with the religion itself and their leaders. The religion litterally translate to “Submission” and the religious leaders denounce the West as basically Satan. More than half of muslims in western countries are on the side of terrorists and want muslim religious law (Sharia) to be instated.

    I live in Europe and the only guy from maghreb that I met who was a nice person, I understood later that he had christian parents. Others were troublemakers, rude, aggressive, bad education, etc…

    There are actual xenophobes in europe, but much less than what you might think, and you’ll recognize one to the fact that they dislike all foreigners.

    The media will hammer into you the ideals of tolerance, inclusivity and multiculturalism, but they will only look harshly at the native’s xenophobia, while being completely blind to the fact that the other side is showing strong in-group preference in total impunity.

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  55. Muslims are ( {22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}definitely cancer) we need to send them back asap.

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  56. The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.” – what bull$hit. The US doesn’t have “classes”, the military has been voluntary since the mid 70s & everyone’s blood is exactly the same color.

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  57. The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.”” – what bull$hit.The US doesn’t have “”””classes”””””””” the military has been voluntary since the mid 70s & everyone’s blood is exactly the same color.”””

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  58. EU is doing this experiment for some years, muslims are still minority and you can already see that this is not working, it’s a disaster.

    We’re not mature enough to design and live in such world. We’re still the same tribalistic monkeys as we were 100 000’s years ago. Only difference is that we have iPhones and other tech.
    If all humanity will become less religious, major religions become small sects, then there’s a chance.

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  59. Only hope to avoid future wars and Europe not being led by muslims is fast science and tech progress and economic development of poor parts of middle east. Richer countries tend to become less religious.

    Also when poor muslim countries will become prosperous I do not see reason why they need to migrate here in tens of millions.
    EU with China should help them rebuild their cities destroyed by war.

    On the other hand, if they become more prosperous(more money for advanced weapon development),
    multiply in EU, will setup mosque on every corner and in general still will be extremely religious and treat our culture with contempt like now we’re in BIG trouble.

    If we see such trend in next 10 years, we(EU) must simply deport most of them to their countries.
    They can visit EU as tourists, do business with us but I can not agree to EU becoming muslim continent with dominating muslim culture, religion and laws, forcing me to follow their culture and rules.

    The problem is than EU is becoming more and more agnostic while in muslim countries, even rich religion is VERY strong and their culture is obviously strongly connected with religious laws which we will never accept.

    Building new mosques should be banned from today.

    I hope that central Europe will never allow to construct new mosques in their countries.
    This is how it all began in Western Europe.
    Now they are not telling us that but they are all in huge trouble and mess.

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  60. ” Personally, I’m more for a We the People of Earth. One government, one military. No borders. ”

    What cannot be accomplished but by totalitarian force is inherently evil and should not be attempted or hoped for.

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  61. ” “The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.” – what bull$hit. ”

    Is exactly correct. The fact wealth is to a degree heritable has nothing to say about that, as participation in the military among all centiles of wealth is largely a family tradition. There are also no guaranteed legal mechanisms in the US by which the wealthy can count on preserving wealth through so much as one generation’s ill judgement or luck.

    ” And you also can’t deny that someone who is born into a family where nobody will end up earning more than $50k/year is more likely to join the infantry than someone born into a family where everyone will end up on $500k/year. ”

    That is not merely not the case, the opposite is true.

    freakonomics.com/2008/09/22/who-serves-in-the-military-today/ <-- Really hope that link makes it through. " And blood colour? How does that come into it? " You never heard the phrase "blue blood"? How much BS do you expect us to swallow? As with so many people who believe and repeat Leftist BS, you are utterly wrong.

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  62. ” As it turns out, US was build also as ethnocentric ”

    No. America originated as a multi-ethnic society–at the time, German and English were seen as very different ethnicities–and the appropriate integration of such further afield immigrants as Polish, Scandanavian, Italian was seen as even more doubtful.

    ” Current migration problems and rise of anti-establishment parties is direct result of ethnocentrism. ”

    No, it is the attempt by one party, Democrats, to illegally import voters for their side which originates what you falsely call ethnocentric.

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  63. There’s nothing at all excluding there being a general anti-establishment movement and it having a strong anti-muslim element in many places. The moslem middle east is having a general crisis of legitimacy in Iran, KSA, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, etc., and refugees from this are the primary recent immigrants to Europe about which the host population rightfully object.

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  64. This is a gross understatement. We are living in the beginning of a neo fascist age. The new fascist rulers have been elected democratically in most cases and they are slowly encroaching on the human rights and the democratic institutions in their respective countries in the name of the good and the identity of the state. It is happening in Russia, China, the Philippines, The United States, Israel, Turkey, Poland, Hungary and maybe other countries. Notably Hungary, Turkey and Russia cannot be considered democratic counties any longer. Many other countries especialy in Europe are also dealing with the rise of this kind of soft fascism but are not taken yet.

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  65. This is a gross understatement. We are living in the beginning of a neo fascist age. The new fascist rulers have been elected democratically in most cases and they are slowly encroaching on the human rights and the democratic institutions in their respective countries in the name of the good and the identity of the state. It is happening in Russia China the Philippines The United States Israel Turkey Poland Hungary and maybe other countries. Notably Hungary Turkey and Russia cannot be considered democratic counties any longer. Many other countries especialy in Europe are also dealing with the rise of this kind of soft fascism but are not taken yet.

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  66. “These people are getting payed to work as if they were slaves .”

    Frequently, according to reports I’ve heard, when they decide they don’t like the job anymore, they find out they ARE slaves.

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  67. That awesome, all you have to do is suspend human nature and it will all work out fine for everyone. You don’t go from tribes to no tribes in one step and if it does happen it wont happen fast.

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  68. That awesome all you have to do is suspend human nature and it will all work out fine for everyone. You don’t go from tribes to no tribes in one step and if it does happen it wont happen fast.

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  69. Wait, so you’re for or against immigration? Personally, I’m more for a We the People of Earth. One government, one military. No borders. This is a planet, not a high school full of cliques. If people must be forced to act as a species, then sobeit. But who’s going to agree to do get together and do the forcing? No idea, this is a thought experiment. Religion can be practiced only in temples that people have to share, and to practice of it elsewhere is a crime, except in the home. And even in the home, no large religious gatherings allowed. There is no public practice of religion in the streets. Period. It exists in the home or in shared temples. It is illegal to publicize religion. There can be no public ministering, no missionaries, no door to door conversions. There is no evangelizing, no televised religion. There is no public religious music, on the radio, a old in stores, or otherwise. Boo hoo, cry me a river, “Why can’t I try to get people to worship my gods so that I won’t feel lonely and can feel better about myself?” You feel lonely? Get a cat. Cats aren’t illegal. Unless the cat is religious. Or get married, I feel like that’s way too underrated nowadays. Want to feel better about yourself? Drink up some knowledge. The United Nations is replaced by a world government that ensures that its laws are enacted. There are no more countries. No states. Resources are shared. Programs to perfect renewable energies are created. The government will provide these programs and provide training for people to work in these fields. As a result, current infrastructure will be replaced with one that is much more efficient. This leads to the ability to reach out to discover other sources of energy which, of course are shared, because we are what? A species, on a planet, not in high school cliques. If all of this sounds vaguely totalitarian, it iis EXACTLY that. And we should either be okay with that, or embrace an alternative in which pe

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  70. Wait so you’re for or against immigration? Personally I’m more for a We the People of Earth. One government one military. No borders. This is a planet not a high school full of cliques. If people must be forced to act as a species then sobeit. But who’s going to agree to do get together and do the forcing? No idea this is a thought experiment. Religion can be practiced only in temples that people have to share and to practice of it elsewhere is a crime except in the home. And even in the home no large religious gatherings allowed.There is no public practice of religion in the streets. Period. It exists in the home or in shared temples. It is illegal to publicize religion. There can be no public ministering no missionaries no door to door conversions. There is no evangelizing no televised religion.There is no public religious music on the radio a old in stores or otherwise. Boo hoo cry me a river Why can’t I try to get people to worship my gods so that I won’t feel lonely and can feel better about myself?”” You feel lonely? Get a cat. Cats aren’t illegal. Unless the cat is religious. Or get married”” I feel like that’s way too underrated nowadays. Want to feel better about yourself? Drink up some knowledge. The United Nations is replaced by a world government that ensures that its laws are enacted. There are no more countries. No states.Resources are shared. Programs to perfect renewable energies are created. The government will provide these programs and provide training for people to work in these fields. As a result current infrastructure will be replaced with one that is much more efficient. This leads to the ability to reach out to discover other sources of energy which of course are shared because we are what? A species on a planet not in high school cliques. If all of this sounds vaguely totalitarian it iis EXACTLY that. And we should either be okay with that or embrace an alternative in whic”

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  71. If you can’t even voice a proper definition of your problem, there is no way it can be fixed. People in developed countries are simply sick of barbarians entering their countries with their medieval customs and religions, plus ones completely against tolerance, progressiveness and democracy, while the brain-dead political and cultural intelligentsia celebrates that as a triumph of multiculturalism and tolerance, and even banishes discussing if that’s good or bad from the public sphere. Of course, there is some classical racism and xenophobia, as per the book definition, mixed in there, but younger generations are simply watching their countries being taken over without a fight by cultures that are objectively bad, or inferior in all senses to theirs. They wouldn’t be coming if their societies weren’t so ugly in the first place. Is that reaction morally reprehensible? I don’t know, probably it is. It is natural, though. We haven’t ceased being tribal monkeys and we don’t want to see out lot become an minority and disappear, despite all wishful thinking to the contrary. And that’s an opportunity for demagogues of all kinds, be it to the left or right, but nowadays is the far right who is profiting from the popular discontent.

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  72. If you can’t even voice a proper definition of your problem there is no way it can be fixed.People in developed countries are simply sick of barbarians entering their countries with their medieval customs and religions plus ones completely against tolerance progressiveness and democracy while the brain-dead political and cultural intelligentsia celebrates that as a triumph of multiculturalism and tolerance and even banishes discussing if that’s good or bad from the public sphere.Of course there is some classical racism and xenophobia as per the book definition mixed in there but younger generations are simply watching their countries being taken over without a fight by cultures that are objectively bad or inferior in all senses to theirs. They wouldn’t be coming if their societies weren’t so ugly in the first place.Is that reaction morally reprehensible? I don’t know probably it is. It is natural though. We haven’t ceased being tribal monkeys and we don’t want to see out lot become an minority and disappear despite all wishful thinking to the contrary.And that’s an opportunity for demagogues of all kinds be it to the left or right but nowadays is the far right who is profiting from the popular discontent.

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  73. Of course he is tip-toing around question of islam and race, or to be precise-ethnocentrism present in human species and in-group prefernce. It is anathema to talka about this because ot makes you “literally Hitler”. Showing example of US as supposed counter-argument to ethnocentrism seems to be good at first, but once you examine mechanisms allowing human species to cooperate within groups-it falls apart. As it turns out, US was build also as ethnocentric and is not exception but follows the rule to the “T”. Current migration problems and rise of anti-establishment parties is direct result of ethnocentrism.

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  74. There are no immigrants in Saoudi Arabia or United arab emirates . These people are getting payed
    to work as if they were slaves . They will not get saoudi or UAE passports . To mention these nations in this list is completely fake . All so Pakistan has fugitives from Afghanistan , these are all so not immigrants . Afghans will all so never get pakistani passports . Even arabians who fled Israel in 1948 don’t have passports of the countries they fled to .
    This is all part of muslim politics . In europe they are so stupid to present passports to every muslim immigrant that enters the country . In muslim countries it is only a rare exception .
    Deliberately they are mixing up immigrants with workforces and fugitives .
    All so the title “number of muslim refugees entering etc ” is biased . When you look at the graph you can see that this title is for christian , muslim and other religions alike .
    It looks as if goebbels is every where nowadays .

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  75. If you want to predict what’s going to happen, just look at what has already happened in countries ahead of the curve. Sweden is a good (bad) example. Immigration per capita is by far the biggest in EU. The borders have been literally wide open for years and the inflow has been completely out of control. There has been no requirement for ID and the amount of money handed out to immigrants have made Sweden the favourite destination. Market economy has kicked in and there is a massive activity from organizations transporting these economic immigrants (not refugees).

    Meanwhile, the society has degraded quickly over a period of 10 years. Infrastructure like healthcare, education and law & order have basically collapsed. People are getting shot on the streets on a weekly basis, cars are burning by the hundreds every now and then, gang rapes and robberies are at a scale where it’s not even reported anymore etc.
    To restore the situation, inhuman actions of a kind not been seen in modern times would have to be taken. That will never happen, especially not in Sweden, which has the world record for peace.

    Election is in a week. The traditional left/right (50/50) situation is no more and there is now a third block (30%) with a program that looks like a normal party program 20 – 30 years ago. The establishment have been trying to cover up the entire situation for years and accuse anyone exposing them for all sorts of horrible things. But they couldn’t control internet. They are trying hard though. They made deals with Facebook, Google etc. Cheap power and subsidized datacenters traded for a hotline where they can ban any information on social media, Youtube etc. at will. And they are indeed using this tools a lot. Sounds like fiction but it is reality. They are now also changing the constitution so they can criminalize opinions.

    The mostly muslim dominated immigration groups have now started to conquer territory and there are hundreds of no-go zones where the police are no longer present. Streets are controlled by criminal gangs armed with military weapons. In some large cities, native Swedes are in minority and running away. But there is nowhere to run anymore. Civil war is the most probable outcome.

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  76. If it doesn’t walk like a duck, quack like a duck or look like a duck => it’s not a duck. It’s those boundaries that a class structure imposes that define the ‘class’ process; roughly – stay in your place, profession or location. If the U.S. had classes, it would be manifest in the “upper” classes dominating politics, military, entertainment, sports & business, but ‘they’ don’t. What ‘class’ did Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Aretha Franklin, Chester Nimitz or Kanye West come from?
    People “end up” where the consequences of their decisions eventually put them, whether they start from wealth or not.
    And blood – because the author seemed to imply that when shed, not enough is blue.
    I will admit our Justices seem to come only from Harvard/Yale classes.

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  77. Icepilot, I thought that was a weird way to put it too, but your objection is more unrealistic than the original line.

    ” The US doesn’t have classes” It may not have formally recognised layers with distinct boundaries, but you cannot deny that there are people who grow up and live within different levels of socioeconomic development within the USA. If you don’t like using the word “class” for that, what word would you use?
    And you also can’t deny that someone who is born into a family where nobody will end up earning more than $50k/year is more likely to join the infantry than someone born into a family where everyone will end up on $500k/year.
    I agree that nobody is “forced” to join the military. But that wasn’t what was said. Though I’ll grant that it was left open as an optional interpretation.
    And blood colour? How does that come into it?

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  78. “The US has sent a lot of the lower classes to fight in wars.” – what bull$hit.
    The US doesn’t have “classes”, the military has been voluntary since the mid 70s & everyone’s blood is exactly the same color.

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  79. This is a gross understatement. We are living in the beginning of a neo fascist age. The new fascist rulers have been elected democratically in most cases and they are slowly encroaching on the human rights and the democratic institutions in their respective countries in the name of the good and the identity of the state. It is happening in Russia, China, the Philippines, The United States, Israel, Turkey, Poland, Hungary and maybe other countries. Notably Hungary, Turkey and Russia cannot be considered democratic counties any longer. Many other countries especialy in Europe are also dealing with the rise of this kind of soft fascism but are not taken yet.

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  80. Wait, so you’re for or against immigration?

    Personally, I’m more for a We the People of Earth. One government, one military. No borders. This is a planet, not a high school full of cliques. If people must be forced to act as a species, then sobeit. But who’s going to agree to do get together and do the forcing? No idea, this is a thought experiment.

    Religion can be practiced only in temples that people have to share, and to practice of it elsewhere is a crime, except in the home. And even in the home, no large religious gatherings allowed.

    There is no public practice of religion in the streets. Period. It exists in the home or in shared temples.

    It is illegal to publicize religion. There can be no public ministering, no missionaries, no door to door conversions. There is no evangelizing, no televised religion.

    There is no public religious music, on the radio, a old in stores, or otherwise.
    Boo hoo, cry me a river, “Why can’t I try to get people to worship my gods so that I won’t feel lonely and can feel better about myself?”
    You feel lonely? Get a cat. Cats aren’t illegal. Unless the cat is religious. Or get married, I feel like that’s way too underrated nowadays. Want to feel better about yourself? Drink up some knowledge.

    The United Nations is replaced by a world government that ensures that its laws are enacted. There are no more countries. No states.

    Resources are shared. Programs to perfect renewable energies are created. The government will provide these programs and provide training for people to work in these fields. As a result, current infrastructure will be replaced with one that is much more efficient. This leads to the ability to reach out to discover other sources of energy which, of course are shared, because we are what? A species, on a planet, not in high school cliques.

    If all of this sounds vaguely totalitarian, it iis EXACTLY that. And we should either be okay with that, or embrace an alternative in which people don’t fight wars and put less emphasis on religions. Religion has a price, but spirituality is free.

    Recap:
    One nation, one government.
    No politicized countries.
    No borders.
    Shared resources.
    Advancement of technologies that allow our advancement as a species.
    Cracking the [CENSORED] down on ALL religions.

    I could write hundreds of pages, but, meh.

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  81. If you can’t even voice a proper definition of your problem, there is no way it can be fixed.

    People in developed countries are simply sick of barbarians entering their countries with their medieval customs and religions, plus ones completely against tolerance, progressiveness and democracy, while the brain-dead political and cultural intelligentsia celebrates that as a triumph of multiculturalism and tolerance, and even banishes discussing if that’s good or bad from the public sphere.

    Of course, there is some classical racism and xenophobia, as per the book definition, mixed in there, but younger generations are simply watching their countries being taken over without a fight by cultures that are objectively bad, or inferior in all senses to theirs. They wouldn’t be coming if their societies weren’t so ugly in the first place.

    Is that reaction morally reprehensible? I don’t know, probably it is. It is natural, though. We haven’t ceased being tribal monkeys and we don’t want to see out lot become an minority and disappear, despite all wishful thinking to the contrary.

    And that’s an opportunity for demagogues of all kinds, be it to the left or right, but nowadays is the far right who is profiting from the popular discontent.

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