Improved tasting plant protein burgers are also available.
Impossible burger is a wheat protein burger that uses a plant based version of heme. Heme is the key ingredient for the characteristic taste and aroma of meat. It catalyzes all the flavors when meat is cooked. Heme is exceptionally abundant in animal muscle, and it’s a basic building block of life in all organisms, including plants. Impossible Foods discovered how to take heme from plants and produce it using fermentation — similar to the method that’s been used to make Belgian beer for nearly a thousand years.
$1.5 trillion is spent on meat food every year and this will increase to $3 trillion by 2025.
Cell produced meats should be healthier meat for you.
Plant based meat is protein tastes like meat and should also be healthier for you.
Cell produced meats or plant based alternatives should reduce the environmental impact by about ten times.
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I may be going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing that chicken at the top of the page was both born and slaughtered.
I may be going out on a limb here but I’m guessing that chicken at the top of the page was both born and slaughtered.
it’s wonderful !
it’s wonderful !
Right click on the image to do a google search – one of the links shows it to be a stock image from stutterstock. Yup – real chicken.
Those silly emoticons in the “what is your reaction” block that vuukle appends to articles rarely fit my reaction to most articles I see here. In this case, however, “happy” isn’t too far off. The development of better meat substitutes is a rare bit of good news. Let’s hope the economics work out.
Right click on the image to do a google search – one of the links shows it to be a stock image from stutterstock. Yup – real chicken.
Those silly emoticons in the what is your reaction”” block that vuukle appends to articles rarely fit my reaction to most articles I see here. In this case”” however”” “”””happy”””” isn’t too far off. The development of better meat substitutes is a rare bit of good news. Let’s hope the economics work out.”””
I do not think that it may be a small market, but I agree with you that there will definitely be people evil enough to keep eating meat from animals being slaughtered while you have in-lab meat. This is why will need a law that gives 3-5 years of jail time to every individual who kills or consumes animal meat instead of in-lab meat drat! Vegan activists may also track down and punish such people
They are aware that plants contain hormones right? One of the things that worry some people about soy products is the presence of lots of chemicals that activate human hormone receptors. Indeed soy products are sometimes advertised with this as a “feature”. ** Contains phytoestrogens! They’re hormonal and mediciney! Must be good for you!!**
I would guess it was hatched.
It would be hard to undercut chicken or pork prices. Sure there would be people who like the taste of chicken who don’t eat it for ethical reasons, but I don’t think that is a large market. I would go with: duck, pheasant, game hen, lamb, buffalo, beef, and there are a ton of expensive fish. If fish is doable where the texture is correct, that would be where the money is at. High-end fresh raw tuna where you can be assured there are no parasites? I think that would sell well. There are people who would eat sushi, if they knew there were no parasites and no mercury. I also think exotic could do well: lion, tiger, alligator, elephant, giraffe, kangaroo, wild boar, baboon, great white shark, rhinoceros…all without the guilt. Some heavy duty gene editing could transform elephant cells into mammoth cells. I think you could get $50/pound easy for mammoth. Everyone would want to know that it tasted like. There might not be many return customers, but there would be many new ones.
If it is natural hormones what is wrong with that?
I do not think that it may be a small market but I agree with you that there will definitely be people evil enough to keep eating meat from animals being slaughtered while you have in-lab meat. This is why will need a law that gives 3-5 years of jail time to every individual who kills or consumes animal meat instead of in-lab meat drat! Vegan activists may also track down and punish such people
They are aware that plants contain hormones right? One of the things that worry some people about soy products is the presence of lots of chemicals that activate human hormone receptors.Indeed soy products are sometimes advertised with this as a feature””. ** Contains phytoestrogens! They’re hormonal and mediciney! Must be good for you!!**”””
I would guess it was hatched.
It would be hard to undercut chicken or pork prices. Sure there would be people who like the taste of chicken who don’t eat it for ethical reasons but I don’t think that is a large market. I would go with: duck pheasant game hen lamb buffalo beef and there are a ton of expensive fish. If fish is doable where the texture is correct that would be where the money is at. High-end fresh raw tuna where you can be assured there are no parasites? I think that would sell well. There are people who would eat sushi if they knew there were no parasites and no mercury.I also think exotic could do well: lion tiger alligator elephant giraffe kangaroo wild boar baboon great white shark rhinoceros…all without the guilt.Some heavy duty gene editing could transform elephant cells into mammoth cells. I think you could get $50/pound easy for mammoth. Everyone would want to know that it tasted like. There might not be many return customers but there would be many new ones.
The only meat eaters I respect are the ones who go to hunt lions and zebras with arrows in the savana, all others are just a bunch of cowtards. When they cross my way I usually do my best to make them feel bad, and this ended quite a few times with their nose becoming bloody
You just have to hope you or some one of coward meat eaters do not cross my way. I have done quite a few nasty things to them when I could and I can not help to say that I felt so relieved when I saw blood coming down from their bloody noses 😉
No the thing is that every animal we slaughter has been altered so far from its progenitor that it is no longer its natural form anyway. There was this thing called domestication, these animals only exist for food. I bet you want to teach a lion how to eat tofu. My favorite meal is the chicken, bacon, cheeseburger (3 animals have to die for it). I sponsor vegetarians by eating 3 types of meat every day to negate any good they feel they are doing. Vegans are just wrong, mankind is omnivorous. PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals MEAT = Mankind for Ethical Animal Treatment
I have contacted and donated to Impossible Burgerrs and I urge you to do the same. In lab meat needs to become soon the only meat in town . Surely and fast
If it is natural hormones what is wrong with that?
The only meat eaters I respect are the ones who go to hunt lions and zebras with arrows in the savana all others are just a bunch of cowtards. When they cross my way I usually do my best to make them feel bad and this ended quite a few times with their nose becoming bloody
You just have to hope you or some one of coward meat eaters do not cross my way. I have done quite a few nasty things to them when I could and I can not help to say that I felt so relieved when I saw blood coming down from their bloody noses 😉
No the thing is that every animal we slaughter has been altered so far from its progenitor that it is no longer its natural form anyway. There was this thing called domestication these animals only exist for food. I bet you want to teach a lion how to eat tofu. My favorite meal is the chicken bacon cheeseburger (3 animals have to die for it). I sponsor vegetarians by eating 3 types of meat every day to negate any good they feel they are doing. Vegans are just wrong mankind is omnivorous.PETA = People Eating Tasty AnimalsMEAT = Mankind for Ethical Animal Treatment
I have contacted and donated to Impossible Burgerrs and I urge you to do the same. In lab meat needs to become soon the only meat in town . Surely and fast
Also, an animal that dies getting shot by an arrow is experiencing far more pain in its death than one that killed at a slaughterhouse. When a hunter kills an animal with a atlatl dart or arrow, they track the animal until it bleeds out enough or if they did it right they punctured a lung and the animal runs until it starts to suffocate and collapses. Either way the animal typically suffers for an extended period. In a slaughter house it is a quick fast shot to the head.
Did you know that until plant domestication, if you did not eat meat you would die from protein deficiency. You have to eat such a wide variety of plant foods to form a complex essential amino acid. Pretty much mushrooms and quinoa are the only traditional plant food that contain a full enough complement of amino acids and even they are low in some of the essential ones. Humans are evolved to eat meat. There is a marked increase in brain size when early human ancestors added meat, especially cooked meat to their diet. Homo habilis to Homo ergaster/erectus was the largest brain size increase among human ancestors and it occurs at the same time there is a shift toward increased evidence of hunting (smaller stone spear points) and the use of fire for cooking (first evidence of controlled use of fire and the spread of Homo out of Africa into more northern/colder climates). Humans eating meat is responsible for that. Native Americans never migrate into N. America without killing Bison, Mammoth and other animals to extinction. Inuit groups in the Arctic still kill Seals and Whales to survive, since a cam of corn can cost $8 up there due to shipping cost. So you are just wrong and cannot educate anyone.
We already get enough wheat protein from pasta. Way to give people malnutrition. Use some other protein.
Oh goodness… Wheat protein… How long before the gluten free movement spins its collective head in confusion
Also an animal that dies getting shot by an arrow is experiencing far more pain in its death than one that killed at a slaughterhouse. When a hunter kills an animal with a atlatl dart or arrow they track the animal until it bleeds out enough or if they did it right they punctured a lung and the animal runs until it starts to suffocate and collapses. Either way the animal typically suffers for an extended period. In a slaughter house it is a quick fast shot to the head.
Did you know that until plant domestication if you did not eat meat you would die from protein deficiency. You have to eat such a wide variety of plant foods to form a complex essential amino acid. Pretty much mushrooms and quinoa are the only traditional plant food that contain a full enough complement of amino acids and even they are low in some of the essential ones. Humans are evolved to eat meat. There is a marked increase in brain size when early human ancestors added meat especially cooked meat to their diet. Homo habilis to Homo ergaster/erectus was the largest brain size increase among human ancestors and it occurs at the same time there is a shift toward increased evidence of hunting (smaller stone spear points) and the use of fire for cooking (first evidence of controlled use of fire and the spread of Homo out of Africa into more northern/colder climates). Humans eating meat is responsible for that. Native Americans never migrate into N. America without killing Bison Mammoth and other animals to extinction. Inuit groups in the Arctic still kill Seals and Whales to survive since a cam of corn can cost $8 up there due to shipping cost. So you are just wrong and cannot educate anyone.
We already get enough wheat protein from pasta. Way to give people malnutrition. Use some other protein.
Oh goodness… Wheat protein… How long before the gluten free movement spins its collective head in confusion
That is fine, it just needs to be better and cheaper than actual chicken. Until that happens ….
Well, as a Belgian I have no resistance to things that are brewed in vats. And on the bright side, if we stop eating animals, maybe they’ll start talking to us again.
That is fine it just needs to be better and cheaper than actual chicken. Until that happens ….
Well as a Belgian I have no resistance to things that are brewed in vats. And on the bright side if we stop eating animals maybe they’ll start talking to us again.
I’ve had dolphin fillets in the Philippines. Very fatty and oily…kinda like seal and Spotted Owl.
I also think exotic could do well: lion, tiger, alligator, elephant, giraffe, kangaroo, wild boar, baboon, great white shark, rhinoceros…all without the guilt.” Does that include human flesh? No, I am being quite serious. You opened that door, tho. :)~
Whatever you say, Matteo.
Something tells me you’ve been drinking the brewskies a lot by the time you got around to posting this.
I’ve had dolphin fillets in the Philippines. Very fatty and oily…kinda like seal and Spotted Owl.
I also think exotic could do well: lion tiger alligator elephant giraffe kangaroo wild boar baboon great white shark” rhinoceros…all without the guilt.””Does that include human flesh? No”” I am being quite serious. You opened that door”” tho. :)~”””
Whatever you say Matteo.
Something tells me you’ve been drinking the brewskies a lot by the time you got around to posting this.
That is stupid There are people who live healthy lives being vegan for decades Body builders who have been vegan for decades Google “vegan body builders” you are just a stolopid
Good idea Let` s try this with you. Instead of waiting and painfully die by a tumor in the hospital please give your self a quick and painles death by a shot in the head right now . Please go ahead and try this with yourself now And with your family Do it
That is stupid There are people who live healthy lives being vegan for decades Body builders who have been vegan for decades Google vegan body builders”” you are just a stolopid”””
Good idea Let` s try this with you. Instead of waiting and painfully die by a tumor in the hospital please give your self a quick and painles death by a shot in the head right now . Please go ahead and try this with yourself now And with your family Do it
I am an actual expert on human evolution and that includes the evolution of human diet, I have a MS from a prestigious school in Evolutionary Anthropology. All studies since Aiello and Wheeler have confirmed all of the findings in that hypothesis through isotope tests on the fossilized remains of ancient hominids and further study of the evolution of human dentition also confirm the changes. Sorry if the fact that eating meat was crucial to the development of human intelligence is something that is hard for you to accept. Einstein ate meat. Heisenberg ate meat. I bet Leonardo DaVinci and Newton both ate meat. I know for a fact Darwin did.
Keep grasping at straws. I am quoting academic discourse: “Eating meat led to smaller stomachs, bigger brains” its an article posted by Harvard or you can read the source: Leslie C. Aiello and Peter Wheeler. “The Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis: The Brain and the Digestive System in Human and Primate Evolution”. Current Anthropology, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 1995), pp. 199-221
Once again, the vegan admits to being violent and pro-terrorism. And yet you expect us to take you seriously on other matters (hint: we don’t)
OK.. Now that one was funny. Good work.
One of the most moronic comments I have ever heard. I have been vegan for several years now and I have been friend with people vegans for decades. They are doing better, healtier and live longer lives than meat eaters. And have a cleaner conscience. It is all a bunch of lies. Promoted by the meat industry. Just google “vegan bodybuilders” . These 14 elite athletes are vegan — here’s what made them switch their diet Venus Williams — tennis player. … Lewis Hamilton — Formula 1 racing driver. … Jermain Defoe — footballer. … David Haye — boxer. … Hannah Teter — snowboarder. … Kendrick Yahcob Farris — weightlifter. … Nate Diaz — mixed martial artist. … Meagan Duhamel — pairs skater. You are spreading misnformation and vegan hate in the internet You should really stop this misinformation
Vegan was impossible as little as 5000 years ago, a drop in the bucket in terms of human evolution. Vegetarians still eat animal derived protein, eggs and dairy and no strictly vegetarian culture can be traced further back than 4000-5000 years (hindu). Without the right mix of domestic plant food available, you cannot get the right mix of protein. With soy, corn, or wheat protein alone you would die of malnutrition. Actually, the right mic is corn, beans and rice; then you get a full protein. In many parts of the world a vegan diet is impossible to this day, due to lack of access and the transport expense to import of certain plant foods that can provide a full substitute for animal derived protein. You cannot grow much the further north you go, the seasons are to short. The economics of importing the food does not make any sense. Just because you live somewhere where its possible now does not mean it is for another part of the world and the further you go back in human history, the harder it becomes. Humans are evolved to eat and hunt meat, the first human stone tools to go beyond the flake and core tradition (Oldowan and Acheulean) were hunting implements (Mousterian). Upper Paleolithic Arctic groups that first populated the Americas relied on primarily animal meat for sustenance. Mammoth were hunted to extinction throughout the world about 8-10kya by humans. Bison were eradicated for food by early Alaskan groups and in Europe and Siberia. Several seal species are now extinct due to early coastal populations in the middle Holocene. People kill animals for food and its has been an important part of the evolution of the human brain. A large brain takes lots of calories to power, animal meat has the highest caloric density. These are facts. Humans evolved to be what we are because of meat and are ability to acquire it more efficiently and cook it to gain higher nutrients. Go live in your bubble of ignorance and threaten to kill others over a cow that was raised and
I am an actual expert on human evolution and that includes the evolution of human diet I have a MS from a prestigious school in Evolutionary Anthropology. All studies since Aiello and Wheeler have confirmed all of the findings in that hypothesis through isotope tests on the fossilized remains of ancient hominids and further study of the evolution of human dentition also confirm the changes. Sorry if the fact that eating meat was crucial to the development of human intelligence is something that is hard for you to accept. Einstein ate meat. Heisenberg ate meat. I bet Leonardo DaVinci and Newton both ate meat. I know for a fact Darwin did.
Keep grasping at straws. I am quoting academic discourse: Eating meat led to smaller stomachs” bigger brains”” its an article posted by Harvard or you can read the source:Leslie C. Aiello and Peter Wheeler. “”””The Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis: The Brain and the Digestive System in Human and Primate Evolution””””. Current Anthropology”” Vol. 36 No. 2 (Apr. 1995)”” pp. 199-221″””
Once again the vegan admits to being violent and pro-terrorism.And yet you expect us to take you seriously on other matters (hint: we don’t)
OK.. Now that one was funny. Good work.
One of the most moronic comments I have ever heard. I have been vegan for several years now and I have been friend with people vegans for decades. They are doing better healtier and live longer lives than meat eaters. And have a cleaner conscience. It is all a bunch of lies. Promoted by the meat industry. Just google vegan bodybuilders”” . These 14 elite athletes are vegan — here’s what made them switch their dietVenus Williams — tennis player. …Lewis Hamilton — Formula 1 racing driver. …Jermain Defoe — footballer. …David Haye — boxer. …Hannah Teter — snowboarder. …Kendrick Yahcob Farris — weightlifter. …Nate Diaz — mixed martial artist. …Meagan Duhamel — pairs skater. You are spreading misnformation and vegan hate in the internet You should really stop this misinformation”””””””
Vegan was impossible as little as 5000 years ago a drop in the bucket in terms of human evolution. Vegetarians still eat animal derived protein eggs and dairy and no strictly vegetarian culture can be traced further back than 4000-5000 years (hindu). Without the right mix of domestic plant food available you cannot get the right mix of protein. With soy corn or wheat protein alone you would die of malnutrition. Actually the right mic is corn beans and rice; then you get a full protein. In many parts of the world a vegan diet is impossible to this day due to lack of access and the transport expense to import of certain plant foods that can provide a full substitute for animal derived protein. You cannot grow much the further north you go the seasons are to short. The economics of importing the food does not make any sense. Just because you live somewhere where its possible now does not mean it is for another part of the world and the further you go back in human history the harder it becomes. Humans are evolved to eat and hunt meat the first human stone tools to go beyond the flake and core tradition (Oldowan and Acheulean) were hunting implements (Mousterian). Upper Paleolithic Arctic groups that first populated the Americas relied on primarily animal meat for sustenance. Mammoth were hunted to extinction throughout the world about 8-10kya by humans. Bison were eradicated for food by early Alaskan groups and in Europe and Siberia. Several seal species are now extinct due to early coastal populations in the middle Holocene. People kill animals for food and its has been an important part of the evolution of the human brain. A large brain takes lots of calories to power animal meat has the highest caloric density. These are facts. Humans evolved to be what we are because of meat and are ability to acquire it more efficiently and cook it to gain higher nutrients. Go live in your bubble of ignorance and threaten to kill others over a cow that was raised and selectively
A Modest Proposal
A Gorilla can beat any human any test of strength but lets see it make a bow and arrow or a computer. What makes humans humans is our intelligence and all the accepted studies say meat was very important in that part of our evolution. Compare the digestive tract of a gorilla to that of a human, ours our simpler. They process much higher caloric food and are much smaller, even proportionally. The human brain takes calories, maintaining a huge digestive tract is energy consuming and leaves less energy for the brain. Plants are harder for animals to process in their digestive tract than animal protein and require energy to process, meat takes very little for our bodies to process especially if its cooked. Australopithecus ate mostly plants with very little meat that was scavenged and did not hunt, it had a large gut. Homo Habilis and Erectus both hunted and Erectus cooked meat by controlling fire, they had a small gut. The largest leaps in brain size occurred with the emergence of Habilis and Erectus. Its a very well grounded theory that is pretty well accepted. The only counter theory that has gained any ground was that fire control was the more important actor, it has timing problems that keep it from gaining since hunting lines up better and the fire theory also uses elements of the hunting theory to make it work. Again the moral of the story is early human ancestors with no ability to hunt and eat meat = intelligence of a chimp, no brain evolution. With meat = eventually Einstein, brains get bigger. Now go off and make another ad hominen attack or set up another straw man argument. You just keep proving my point
A Modest Proposal
A Gorilla can beat any human any test of strength but lets see it make a bow and arrow or a computer. What makes humans humans is our intelligence and all the accepted studies say meat was very important in that part of our evolution. Compare the digestive tract of a gorilla to that of a human ours our simpler. They process much higher caloric food and are much smaller even proportionally. The human brain takes calories maintaining a huge digestive tract is energy consuming and leaves less energy for the brain. Plants are harder for animals to process in their digestive tract than animal protein and require energy to process meat takes very little for our bodies to process especially if its cooked. Australopithecus ate mostly plants with very little meat that was scavenged and did not hunt it had a large gut. Homo Habilis and Erectus both hunted and Erectus cooked meat by controlling fire they had a small gut. The largest leaps in brain size occurred with the emergence of Habilis and Erectus. Its a very well grounded theory that is pretty well accepted. The only counter theory that has gained any ground was that fire control was the more important actor it has timing problems that keep it from gaining since hunting lines up better and the fire theory also uses elements of the hunting theory to make it work. Again the moral of the story is early human ancestors with no ability to hunt and eat meat = intelligence of a chimp no brain evolution. With meat = eventually Einstein brains get bigger. Now go off and make another ad hominen attack or set up another straw man argument. You just keep proving my point
Not at All. However, it is common knowledge that babies in Belgium grow up with bear and not milk. Haven’t you guys read Jacques de La Fontaine’s fables when young? Or Mowgli? Or read a decent book on world mythology? Or even world religion? It is basic mythological knowledge that the animals used to talk to us, before they stopped 🙂 So why did they stop I may ask? Because we started eating them. Even in Genesis, man is given the right to eat plants and animals… This story is created as a rationalization for human guilt of his domineering (and eating) of other creatures in nature. Animals on the other hand, never agreed with this, and to show there dignity, they went into a silent dignified defiance. And that is why we see only animal depictions in Gobekli Tepe 🙂 . Anyway, I thought it could be the basis for a nice children’s book.
The only doubt I have reading DPat` s comments is either he is not capable to understand what is written or if he is taking not to be capable to understand. Probably the first one
All the accepted studies .. what? You mean that not eating meat will decrease your IQ? Reading your comments, and I assume you are a meat eater, I would assume the opposite 🙂 As for the other part of your comment , this is just a salada of words with no clue at all . You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying. What does this mean ” With meat = eventually Einstein, brains get bigger. ” in plain English? And have you read this? https://www.happycow.net/vegtopics/famous/albert_einstein Again, you have no clue at all of waht you are saying Moreover If you want to compare yourself with a Homo Habilis, please go ahead, I find the comparison appropriate, but I think that me, and other vegans, have already evolved from that stage.
am an actual expert on human evolution and that includes the evolution of human diet, I have a MS from a prestigious school in Evolutionary Anthropology” Please allow me to dispute that you are an expert in anthropology, or anything else You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying , let alone anthropology
All the accepted studies .. what? You mean that not eating meat will decrease your IQ? Reading your comments, and I assume you are a meat eater, I would assume the opposite 🙂 As for the other part of your comment , this is just a salada of words with no clue at all . You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying. If you want to compare yourself with a Homo Habilis, please go ahead, I find the comparison appropriate, but I think that me, and other vegans, have already evolved from that stage. As for your level of comprehension. bunga bunga uh uh (hoping you can understand monkey language) 🙂
Doctor Pat, do not play [s}toopid
.. we will need to abstain from meat and forcefully coerce meat eaters to abstain too
I have no idea what you mean by “maybe they’ll start talking to us again.” but if you support not killing animals I am with you !
The only doubt I have reading DPat` s comments is either he is not capable to understand what is written or if he is taking not to be capable to understand. Probably the first one
All the accepted studies .. what? You mean that not eating meat will decrease your IQ? Reading your comments and I assume you are a meat eater I would assume the opposite 🙂 As for the other part of your comment this is just a salada of words with no clue at all . You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying. What does this mean With meat = eventually Einstein”” brains get bigger. “” in plain English? And have you read this? https://www.happycow.net/vegtopics/famous/albert_einsteinAgain“” you have no clue at all of waht you are saying Moreover If you want to compare yourself with a Homo Habilis please go ahead I find the comparison appropriate but I think that me and other vegans”” have already evolved from that stage.”””
am an actual expert on human evolution and that includes the evolution of human diet” I have a MS from a prestigious school in Evolutionary Anthropology”” Please allow me to dispute that you are an expert in anthropology”” or anything else You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying “” let alone anthropology”””
All the accepted studies .. what? You mean that not eating meat will decrease your IQ? Reading your comments and I assume you are a meat eater I would assume the opposite 🙂 As for the other part of your comment this is just a salada of words with no clue at all . You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying. If you want to compare yourself with a Homo Habilis please go ahead I find the comparison appropriate but I think that me and other vegans have already evolved from that stage. As for your level of comprehension. bunga bunga uh uh (hoping you can understand monkey language) 🙂
Doctor Pat do not play [s}toopid
.. we will need to abstain from meat and forcefully coerce meat eaters to abstain too
I have no idea what you mean by maybe they’ll start talking to us again.”” but if you support not killing animals I am with you !”””
Leslie C. Aiello and Peter Wheeler. “The Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis: The Brain and the Digestive System in Human and Primate Evolution”. Current Anthropology, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 1995), pp. 199-221
See post below. I eat meat. I killed rabbits with my own hands…to eat them. My grandfather learned me to do this when I was 7 And I like the flesh. Besides that, killing hurts so you have to do it with respect. But then again, if we can brew a decent meat (and it really has to be edible and qualitatively very good), than it solves a lot of problems for the first time in human history. That will lead to a real paradigm shift in how we look at nature. If it is a real alternative it will be (mostly) accepted. And mostly is good enough because it can liberate us from the excesses of industrialized food production. Maybe someday in the future I will hesitate to kill a cow on demand, but for now, I have no issues with eating cow. There will always be hunting. You can give education but you will not change human nature.
Leslie C. Aiello and Peter Wheeler. The Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis: The Brain and the Digestive System in Human and Primate Evolution””. Current Anthropology”” Vol. 36 No. 2 (Apr. 1995)”” pp. 199-221″””
See post below. I eat meat. I killed rabbits with my own hands…to eat them. My grandfather learned me to do this when I was 7 And I like the flesh. Besides that killing hurts so you have to do it with respect.But then again if we can brew a decent meat (and it really has to be edible and qualitatively very good) than it solves a lot of problems for the first time in human history. That will lead to a real paradigm shift in how we look at nature. If it is a real alternative it will be (mostly) accepted. And mostly is good enough because it can liberate us from the excesses of industrialized food production.Maybe someday in the future I will hesitate to kill a cow on demand but for now I have no issues with eating cow.There will always be hunting. You can give education but you will not change human nature.
Not at All. However it is common knowledge that babies in Belgium grow up with bear and not milk. Haven’t you guys read Jacques de La Fontaine’s fables when young? Or Mowgli? Or read a decent book on world mythology? Or even world religion? It is basic mythological knowledge that the animals used to talk to us before they stopped 🙂 So why did they stop I may ask? Because we started eating them. Even in Genesis man is given the right to eat plants and animals… This story is created as a rationalization for human guilt of his domineering (and eating) of other creatures in nature. Animals on the other hand never agreed with this and to show there dignity they went into a silent dignified defiance. And that is why we see only animal depictions in Gobekli Tepe 🙂 . Anyway I thought it could be the basis for a nice children’s book.
Our immune system has developed due to the fact that had to cope with all kinds of diseases for millennia without the use of any pharma product, so please be honest and next time you get a disease do not take any medicine as this may lead to a future decrease and weakening of human immune system. Either you survive or you lose your life (not a big deal anyways)
I have quoted you the fact that there is evidence that Einstein did not actually eat meat or was at least a veggie sympathizers. However, I applause and am happy with your love with human evolution Since you are an expert (or so you claim) of Human Anthropology , you will probably know that one of the main reasons we have legs fast legs is to run away from predators. One of the reason why we have bigger brains is to find way to run away from perdators. Since we are currently having no many predators around, then probably in one million years our legs and brains may suffer So let` s do an experiment with you We close in a circus with a lion, if you can run fast enough to save yourself you are allowed to copulate, otherwise, you will be another victim of the natural selection you love so much Ha!
Let alone the fact that you, a meat eater, are or seems to be proof of the opposite (eating meat leads to smaller brains) Human evolution has been caused by many factors, for example we have developed fast legs to run away from predators. Now we use cars, so probably in 10000-20000 years our legs will not be so fast anymore In order to help human evolution keep our legs fast again, I propose to send you in a circus with ten hungry lions and see if you can survive If you do survive you will be allowed to copulate and have children and eat meat , if you do not survive , well, we will not cry too much, it has not been a great loss for the human gene pool What do you think about my proposal, totally in line with your thinking?
God only knows that an article about the digestive system in primate evolution has to do with the possibility or impossibility of going vegan today. As for your record, if what you say is true, Serena Williams should be dead right now. But how comes she has 22 Grand Slams under her belt? Truth hurts and you prefer hide beyond scholar citations that have nothing to do instead of facing the truth > so sad
Bunch of nonsense If you showed respect you would not kill, period. I hve no issues too with you eating an animal provided that the animal is an animal aggressive and the same or bigger than you (a lion, a tiger, etc. ) and you have only a bow and arrow to defend yourself In this case, you are allowed to kill or get killled (it is fair ) Not that if you get killed it would be a great loss for the human gene pool In all other cases, you are showing yourself as a cowtard
Our immune system has developed due to the fact that had to cope with all kinds of diseases for millennia without the use of any pharma product so please be honest and next time you get a disease do not take any medicine as this may lead to a future decrease and weakening of human immune system. Either you survive or you lose your life (not a big deal anyways)
I have quoted you the fact that there is evidence that Einstein did not actually eat meat or was at least a veggie sympathizers. However I applause and am happy with your love with human evolution Since you are an expert (or so you claim) of Human Anthropology you will probably know that one of the main reasons we have legs fast legs is to run away from predators. One of the reason why we have bigger brains is to find way to run away from perdators. Since we are currently having no many predators around then probably in one million years our legs and brains may suffer So let` s do an experiment with you We close in a circus with a lion if you can run fast enough to save yourself you are allowed to copulate otherwise you will be another victim of the natural selection you love so much Ha!
Let alone the fact that you a meat eater are or seems to be proof of the opposite (eating meat leads to smaller brains) Human evolution has been caused by many factors for example we have developed fast legs to run away from predators. Now we use cars so probably in 10000-20000 years our legs will not be so fast anymore In order to help human evolution keep our legs fast again I propose to send you in a circus with ten hungry lions and see if you can survive If you do survive you will be allowed to copulate and have children and eat meat if you do not survive well we will not cry too much it has not been a great loss for the human gene pool What do you think about my proposal totally in line with your thinking?
God only knows that an article about the digestive system in primate evolution has to do with the possibility or impossibility of going vegan today. As for your record if what you say is true Serena Williams should be dead right now. But how comes she has 22 Grand Slams under her belt? Truth hurts and you prefer hide beyond scholar citations that have nothing to do instead of facing the truth > so sad
Bunch of nonsense If you showed respect you would not kill period. I hve no issues too with you eating an animal provided that the animal is an animal aggressive and the same or bigger than you (a lion a tiger etc. ) and you have only a bow and arrow to defend yourself In this case you are allowed to kill or get killled (it is fair ) Not that if you get killed it would be a great loss for the human gene pool In all other cases you are showing yourself as a cowtard
So where in Genesis does it say that animals talked with humans? Other than the serpent story, which is pretty obviously about something more than a snake, I just don’t recall any such event. Besides, even today only a few animals are capable to mimicking human words, mostly certain birds. Even in such cases, they do not speak in complete thoughts the way humans do.
So where in Genesis does it say that animals talked with humans? Other than the serpent story which is pretty obviously about something more than a snake I just don’t recall any such event.Besides even today only a few animals are capable to mimicking human words mostly certain birds. Even in such cases they do not speak in complete thoughts the way humans do.
1.5tr to 3tr spent on “meat food” in 6 years? Huh? Source for this 12% CAGR? The FAO thinks total animal protein consumption will grow from 41.3kg/capita globally in 2015 to 45.3kg/capita in 2050 and makes perfect sense. There has already been a lot posted on NBF regarding this topic, maybe links to them, so no need to repost?
1.5tr to 3tr spent on meat food”” in 6 years? Huh? Source for this 12{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} CAGR? The FAO thinks total animal protein consumption will grow from 41.3kg/capita globally in 2015 to 45.3kg/capita in 2050 and makes perfect sense. There has already been a lot posted on NBF regarding this topic”” maybe links to them”” so no need to repost?”””
1.5tr to 3tr spent on “meat food” in 6 years? Huh? Source for this 12% CAGR? The FAO thinks total animal protein consumption will grow from 41.3kg/capita globally in 2015 to 45.3kg/capita in 2050 and makes perfect sense. There has already been a lot posted on NBF regarding this topic, maybe links to them, so no need to repost?
So where in Genesis does it say that animals talked with humans? Other than the serpent story, which is pretty obviously about something more than a snake, I just don’t recall any such event.
Besides, even today only a few animals are capable to mimicking human words, mostly certain birds. Even in such cases, they do not speak in complete thoughts the way humans do.
Our immune system has developed due to the fact that had to cope with all kinds of diseases for millennia without the use of any pharma product, so please be honest and next time you get a disease do not take any medicine as this may lead to a future decrease and weakening of human immune system.
Either you survive or you lose your life (not a big deal anyways)
I have quoted you the fact that there is evidence that Einstein did not actually eat meat or was at least a veggie sympathizers.
However, I applause and am happy with your love with human evolution
Since you are an expert (or so you claim) of Human Anthropology , you will probably know that one of the main reasons we have legs fast legs is to run away from predators.
One of the reason why we have bigger brains is to find way to run away from perdators.
Since we are currently having no many predators around, then probably in one million years our legs and brains may suffer
So let` s do an experiment with you
We close in a circus with a lion, if you can run fast enough to save yourself you are allowed to copulate, otherwise, you will be another victim of the natural selection you love so much
Ha!
Let alone the fact that you, a meat eater, are or seems to be proof of the opposite
(eating meat leads to smaller brains)
Human evolution has been caused by many factors, for example we have developed fast legs to run away from predators.
Now we use cars, so probably in 10000-20000 years our legs will not be so fast anymore
In order to help human evolution keep our legs fast again, I propose to send you in a circus with ten hungry lions and see if you can survive
If you do survive you will be allowed to copulate and have children and eat meat , if you do not survive , well, we will not cry too much, it has not been a great loss for the human gene pool
What do you think about my proposal, totally in line with your thinking?
God only knows that an article about the digestive system in primate evolution has to do with the possibility or impossibility of going vegan today.
As for your record, if what you say is true, Serena Williams should be dead right now.
But how comes she has 22 Grand Slams under her belt?
Truth hurts and you prefer hide beyond scholar citations that have nothing to do instead of facing the truth > so sad
Bunch of nonsense
If you showed respect you would not kill, period.
I hve no issues too with you eating an animal provided that the animal is an animal aggressive and the same or bigger than you (a lion, a tiger, etc. ) and you have only a bow and arrow to defend yourself
In this case, you are allowed to kill or get killled (it is fair )
Not that if you get killed it would be a great loss for the human gene pool
In all other cases, you are showing yourself as a cowtard
Leslie C. Aiello and Peter Wheeler. “The Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis: The Brain and the Digestive System in Human and Primate Evolution”. Current Anthropology, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 1995), pp. 199-221
See post below. I eat meat. I killed rabbits with my own hands…to eat them. My grandfather learned me to do this when I was 7 And I like the flesh. Besides that, killing hurts so you have to do it with respect.
But then again, if we can brew a decent meat (and it really has to be edible and qualitatively very good), than it solves a lot of problems for the first time in human history. That will lead to a real paradigm shift in how we look at nature. If it is a real alternative it will be (mostly) accepted. And mostly is good enough because it can liberate us from the excesses of industrialized food production.
Maybe someday in the future I will hesitate to kill a cow on demand, but for now, I have no issues with eating cow.
There will always be hunting. You can give education but you will not change human nature.
Not at All. However, it is common knowledge that babies in Belgium grow up with bear and not milk. Haven’t you guys read Jacques de La Fontaine’s fables when young? Or Mowgli? Or read a decent book on world mythology? Or even world religion? It is basic mythological knowledge that the animals used to talk to us, before they stopped 🙂 So why did they stop I may ask? Because we started eating them. Even in Genesis, man is given the right to eat plants and animals… This story is created as a rationalization for human guilt of his domineering (and eating) of other creatures in nature. Animals on the other hand, never agreed with this, and to show there dignity, they went into a silent dignified defiance. And that is why we see only animal depictions in Gobekli Tepe 🙂 . Anyway, I thought it could be the basis for a nice children’s book.
The only doubt I have reading DPat` s comments is either he is not capable to understand what is written or if he is taking not to be capable to understand. Probably the first one
All the accepted studies .. what?
You mean that not eating meat will decrease your IQ?
Reading your comments, and I assume you are a meat eater, I would assume the opposite 🙂
As for the other part of your comment , this is just a salada of words with no clue at all .
You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying.
What does this mean ” With meat = eventually Einstein, brains get bigger. ” in plain English?
And have you read this?
https://www.happycow.net/vegtopics/famous/albert_einstein
Again, you have no clue at all of waht you are saying
Moreover
If you want to compare yourself with a Homo Habilis, please go ahead, I find the comparison appropriate, but I think that me, and other vegans, have already evolved from that stage.
” am an actual expert on human evolution and that includes the evolution of human diet, I have a MS from a prestigious school in Evolutionary Anthropology”
Please allow me to dispute that you are an expert in anthropology, or anything else
You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying , let alone anthropology
All the accepted studies .. what?
You mean that not eating meat will decrease your IQ?
Reading your comments, and I assume you are a meat eater, I would assume the opposite 🙂
As for the other part of your comment , this is just a salada of words with no clue at all .
You definitely have no clue at all of what you are saying.
If you want to compare yourself with a Homo Habilis, please go ahead, I find the comparison appropriate, but I think that me, and other vegans, have already evolved from that stage.
As for your level of comprehension. bunga bunga uh uh (hoping you can understand monkey language) 🙂
Doctor Pat, do not play [s}toopid
.. we will need to abstain from meat and forcefully coerce meat eaters to abstain too
I have no idea what you mean by “maybe they’ll start talking to us again.” but if you support not killing animals I am with you !
A Modest Proposal
A Gorilla can beat any human any test of strength but lets see it make a bow and arrow or a computer. What makes humans humans is our intelligence and all the accepted studies say meat was very important in that part of our evolution. Compare the digestive tract of a gorilla to that of a human, ours our simpler. They process much higher caloric food and are much smaller, even proportionally. The human brain takes calories, maintaining a huge digestive tract is energy consuming and leaves less energy for the brain. Plants are harder for animals to process in their digestive tract than animal protein and require energy to process, meat takes very little for our bodies to process especially if its cooked. Australopithecus ate mostly plants with very little meat that was scavenged and did not hunt, it had a large gut. Homo Habilis and Erectus both hunted and Erectus cooked meat by controlling fire, they had a small gut. The largest leaps in brain size occurred with the emergence of Habilis and Erectus. Its a very well grounded theory that is pretty well accepted. The only counter theory that has gained any ground was that fire control was the more important actor, it has timing problems that keep it from gaining since hunting lines up better and the fire theory also uses elements of the hunting theory to make it work. Again the moral of the story is early human ancestors with no ability to hunt and eat meat = intelligence of a chimp, no brain evolution. With meat = eventually Einstein, brains get bigger. Now go off and make another ad hominen attack or set up another straw man argument. You just keep proving my point
I am an actual expert on human evolution and that includes the evolution of human diet, I have a MS from a prestigious school in Evolutionary Anthropology. All studies since Aiello and Wheeler have confirmed all of the findings in that hypothesis through isotope tests on the fossilized remains of ancient hominids and further study of the evolution of human dentition also confirm the changes. Sorry if the fact that eating meat was crucial to the development of human intelligence is something that is hard for you to accept. Einstein ate meat. Heisenberg ate meat. I bet Leonardo DaVinci and Newton both ate meat. I know for a fact Darwin did.
Keep grasping at straws. I am quoting academic discourse: “Eating meat led to smaller stomachs, bigger brains” its an article posted by Harvard
or you can read the source:
Leslie C. Aiello and Peter Wheeler. “The Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis: The Brain and the Digestive System in Human and Primate Evolution”. Current Anthropology, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 1995), pp. 199-221
Once again, the vegan admits to being violent and pro-terrorism.
And yet you expect us to take you seriously on other matters (hint: we don’t)
OK.. Now that one was funny. Good work.
One of the most moronic comments I have ever heard. I have been vegan for several years now and I have been friend with people vegans for decades. They are doing better, healtier and live longer lives than meat eaters. And have a cleaner conscience. It is all a bunch of lies. Promoted by the meat industry. Just google “vegan bodybuilders” .
These 14 elite athletes are vegan — here’s what made them switch their diet
Venus Williams — tennis player. …
Lewis Hamilton — Formula 1 racing driver. …
Jermain Defoe — footballer. …
David Haye — boxer. …
Hannah Teter — snowboarder. …
Kendrick Yahcob Farris — weightlifter. …
Nate Diaz — mixed martial artist. …
Meagan Duhamel — pairs skater.
You are spreading misnformation and vegan hate in the internet
You should really stop this misinformation
Vegan was impossible as little as 5000 years ago, a drop in the bucket in terms of human evolution. Vegetarians still eat animal derived protein, eggs and dairy and no strictly vegetarian culture can be traced further back than 4000-5000 years (hindu). Without the right mix of domestic plant food available, you cannot get the right mix of protein. With soy, corn, or wheat protein alone you would die of malnutrition. Actually, the right mic is corn, beans and rice; then you get a full protein. In many parts of the world a vegan diet is impossible to this day, due to lack of access and the transport expense to import of certain plant foods that can provide a full substitute for animal derived protein. You cannot grow much the further north you go, the seasons are to short. The economics of importing the food does not make any sense. Just because you live somewhere where its possible now does not mean it is for another part of the world and the further you go back in human history, the harder it becomes. Humans are evolved to eat and hunt meat, the first human stone tools to go beyond the flake and core tradition (Oldowan and Acheulean) were hunting implements (Mousterian). Upper Paleolithic Arctic groups that first populated the Americas relied on primarily animal meat for sustenance. Mammoth were hunted to extinction throughout the world about 8-10kya by humans. Bison were eradicated for food by early Alaskan groups and in Europe and Siberia. Several seal species are now extinct due to early coastal populations in the middle Holocene. People kill animals for food and its has been an important part of the evolution of the human brain. A large brain takes lots of calories to power, animal meat has the highest caloric density. These are facts. Humans evolved to be what we are because of meat and are ability to acquire it more efficiently and cook it to gain higher nutrients. Go live in your bubble of ignorance and threaten to kill others over a cow that was raised and selectively bred only to be killed for food. I would love to see you have a nice meeting with a polar bear, it would not hesitate to have you for lunch.
That is stupid
There are people who live healthy lives being vegan for decades
Body builders who have been vegan for decades
Google “vegan body builders” you are just a stolopid
Good idea
Let` s try this with you.
Instead of waiting and painfully die by a tumor in the hospital please give your self a quick and painles death by a shot in the head right now . Please go ahead and try this with yourself now
And with your family
Do it
I’ve had dolphin fillets in the Philippines. Very fatty and oily…kinda like seal and Spotted Owl.
“I also think exotic could do well: lion, tiger, alligator, elephant, giraffe, kangaroo, wild boar, baboon, great white shark, rhinoceros…all without the guilt.”
Does that include human flesh?
No, I am being quite serious. You opened that door, tho. :)~
Whatever you say, Matteo.
Something tells me you’ve been drinking the brewskies a lot by the time you got around to posting this.
That is fine, it just needs to be better and cheaper than actual chicken. Until that happens ….
Well, as a Belgian I have no resistance to things that are brewed in vats. And on the bright side, if we stop eating animals, maybe they’ll start talking to us again.
Also, an animal that dies getting shot by an arrow is experiencing far more pain in its death than one that killed at a slaughterhouse. When a hunter kills an animal with a atlatl dart or arrow, they track the animal until it bleeds out enough or if they did it right they punctured a lung and the animal runs until it starts to suffocate and collapses. Either way the animal typically suffers for an extended period. In a slaughter house it is a quick fast shot to the head.
Did you know that until plant domestication, if you did not eat meat you would die from protein deficiency. You have to eat such a wide variety of plant foods to form a complex essential amino acid. Pretty much mushrooms and quinoa are the only traditional plant food that contain a full enough complement of amino acids and even they are low in some of the essential ones. Humans are evolved to eat meat. There is a marked increase in brain size when early human ancestors added meat, especially cooked meat to their diet. Homo habilis to Homo ergaster/erectus was the largest brain size increase among human ancestors and it occurs at the same time there is a shift toward increased evidence of hunting (smaller stone spear points) and the use of fire for cooking (first evidence of controlled use of fire and the spread of Homo out of Africa into more northern/colder climates). Humans eating meat is responsible for that. Native Americans never migrate into N. America without killing Bison, Mammoth and other animals to extinction. Inuit groups in the Arctic still kill Seals and Whales to survive, since a cam of corn can cost $8 up there due to shipping cost. So you are just wrong and cannot educate anyone.
We already get enough wheat protein from pasta. Way to give people malnutrition. Use some other protein.
Oh goodness… Wheat protein… How long before the gluten free movement spins its collective head in confusion
The only meat eaters I respect are the ones who go to hunt lions and zebras with arrows in the savana, all others are just a bunch of cowtards. When they cross my way I usually do my best to make them feel bad, and this ended quite a few times with their nose becoming bloody
You just have to hope you or some one of coward meat eaters do not cross my way. I have done quite a few nasty things to them when I could and I can not help to say that I felt so relieved when I saw blood coming down from their bloody noses 😉
No the thing is that every animal we slaughter has been altered so far from its progenitor that it is no longer its natural form anyway. There was this thing called domestication, these animals only exist for food. I bet you want to teach a lion how to eat tofu. My favorite meal is the chicken, bacon, cheeseburger (3 animals have to die for it). I sponsor vegetarians by eating 3 types of meat every day to negate any good they feel they are doing. Vegans are just wrong, mankind is omnivorous.
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals
MEAT = Mankind for Ethical Animal Treatment
I have contacted and donated to Impossible Burgerrs and I urge you to do the same. In lab meat needs to become soon the only meat in town . Surely and fast
If it is natural hormones what is wrong with that?
I do not think that it may be a small market, but I agree with you that there will definitely be people evil enough to keep eating meat from animals being slaughtered while you have in-lab meat. This is why will need a law that gives 3-5 years of jail time to every individual who kills or consumes animal meat instead of in-lab meat drat! Vegan activists may also track down and punish such people
They are aware that plants contain hormones right? One of the things that worry some people about soy products is the presence of lots of chemicals that activate human hormone receptors.
Indeed soy products are sometimes advertised with this as a “feature”. ** Contains phytoestrogens! They’re hormonal and mediciney! Must be good for you!!**
I would guess it was hatched.
It would be hard to undercut chicken or pork prices. Sure there would be people who like the taste of chicken who don’t eat it for ethical reasons, but I don’t think that is a large market. I would go with: duck, pheasant, game hen, lamb, buffalo, beef, and there are a ton of expensive fish. If fish is doable where the texture is correct, that would be where the money is at. High-end fresh raw tuna where you can be assured there are no parasites? I think that would sell well. There are people who would eat sushi, if they knew there were no parasites and no mercury.
I also think exotic could do well: lion, tiger, alligator, elephant, giraffe, kangaroo, wild boar, baboon, great white shark, rhinoceros…all without the guilt.
Some heavy duty gene editing could transform elephant cells into mammoth cells. I think you could get $50/pound easy for mammoth. Everyone would want to know that it tasted like. There might not be many return customers, but there would be many new ones.
Right click on the image to do a google search – one of the links shows it to be a stock image from stutterstock. Yup – real chicken.
Those silly emoticons in the “what is your reaction” block that vuukle appends to articles rarely fit my reaction to most articles I see here. In this case, however, “happy” isn’t too far off. The development of better meat substitutes is a rare bit of good news. Let’s hope the economics work out.
I may be going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing that chicken at the top of the page was both born and slaughtered.
it’s wonderful !