More pictures of the new SpaceX BFR and BFS design

Here are more pictures of the new SpaceX BFR and BFS design.

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  1. It’s not as if the musk fluffer buzz really factors into the economic equation either so I don’t understand it. it’s not for recruitment,

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  2. It’s not as if the musk fluffer buzz really factors into the economic equation either so I don’t understand it. it’s not for recruitment

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  3. It’s called PR & marketing. They do need to sell seats / cargo missions. For that they need to first raise awareness, second generate interest, and third, once it’s built, demonstrate the capabilities. Such renderings cost very little today, compared to the hardware development cost.

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  4. You have to fully 3d model it anyway to perform necessary calculations of aerodynamic performance, heat loading, balance, long before you could decide to start building. Once you have the 3D model, rendering it is almost trivial.

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  5. It’s called PR & marketing. They do need to sell seats / cargo missions. For that they need to first raise awareness second generate interest and third once it’s built demonstrate the capabilities. Such renderings cost very little today compared to the hardware development cost.

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  6. You have to fully 3d model it anyway to perform necessary calculations of aerodynamic performance heat loading balance long before you could decide to start building.Once you have the 3D model rendering it is almost trivial.

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  7. I’ll believe in this BFR and BFS business when it actually starts running. I am becoming increasingly skeptical of Elon Musk and his ability to deliver on what he says. SpaceX does have a fairly successful track record. But Tesla is a mess and Tesla is the much bigger company and effort.

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  8. I’ll believe in this BFR and BFS business when it actually starts running. I am becoming increasingly skeptical of Elon Musk and his ability to deliver on what he says. SpaceX does have a fairly successful track record. But Tesla is a mess and Tesla is the much bigger company and effort.

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  9. Yep he is FOS with the Raptor engines also. I guess he is also a looser with the ability for the Falcons to land and be reused and the costs is 1/4 of the Boeing/Lockheed rockets. So gives a damn if he is a year late or he modifies the design he is still going to dominate the launch market. Ask yourself why the existing rocket companies cannot compete if he is such a looser moron etc? And he would suck at walking on water.

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  10. While I dislike Tesla’s distraction and apparent unneeded stress over the guy directing all the one trick ponies, I came to realize there is a method on this folly: Every single company E. Musk owns (with a serious purpose) is geared to give a piece of a presumed Martian economy: SpaceX for transport there and back, Solar City for power generation, Tesla for electric energy storage and transportation on the ground (no O2 for combustion engines, ergo all vehicles on Mars ought to be electric), Starlink for communications and logistics, the Boring company to bury your homes, facilities and yourself on the ground, away from radiation, etc. There would be a company for the Sabatier reactors for methane production, if only there was a strong enough need of that on Earth. This tech they will have to develop as part of SpaceX’s own efforts. The guy is true space nut and wants to have the most elements in place for making his Mars city. But looking at the time and effort involved, he surely ought to have noticed by now that you can’t build a civilization with just a few cool and necessary elements. Thus, the recent approaches of SpaceX to government space programs, like those presumably sending people back to cislunar space. He wants them to finance and perform some of the chores, and probably will have others involved soon to provide the shelters, food production and life systems. This whole fuss for fulfilling a childhood dream is, at least, something to admire.

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  11. Yep he is FOS with the Raptor engines also. I guess he is also a looser with the ability for the Falcons to land and be reused and the costs is 1/4 of the Boeing/Lockheed rockets. So gives a damn if he is a year late or he modifies the design he is still going to dominate the launch market. Ask yourself why the existing rocket companies cannot compete if he is such a looser moron etc? And he would suck at walking on water.

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  12. While I dislike Tesla’s distraction and apparent unneeded stress over the guy directing all the one trick ponies I came to realize there is a method on this folly:Every single company E. Musk owns (with a serious purpose) is geared to give a piece of a presumed Martian economy: SpaceX for transport there and back Solar City for power generation Tesla for electric energy storage and transportation on the ground (no O2 for combustion engines ergo all vehicles on Mars ought to be electric) Starlink for communications and logistics the Boring company to bury your homes facilities and yourself on the ground away from radiation etc.There would be a company for the Sabatier reactors for methane production if only there was a strong enough need of that on Earth. This tech they will have to develop as part of SpaceX’s own efforts.The guy is true space nut and wants to have the most elements in place for making his Mars city. But looking at the time and effort involved he surely ought to have noticed by now that you can’t build a civilization with just a few cool and necessary elements.Thus the recent approaches of SpaceX to government space programs like those presumably sending people back to cislunar space.He wants them to finance and perform some of the chores and probably will have others involved soon to provide the shelters food production and life systems.This whole fuss for fulfilling a childhood dream is at least something to admire.

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  13. The image of the forward section of the vehicle appears to show a massive number of thermal protection tiles covering its underside. Far more than the space shuttle used. Huge amount of work to manufacture/ install/inspect all those thermal protection tiles.

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  14. The image of the forward section of the vehicle appears to show a massive number of thermal protection tiles covering its underside. Far more than the space shuttle used. Huge amount of work to manufacture/ install/inspect all those thermal protection tiles.

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  15. That’s not what Scaryjello’s about. Even if he’s not a paid troll in the Kremlin basement, what would he be saying different? He b!tches and moans continually that nothing good is real, everything is awful and will stay that way… …While he’s looking at the facts that say it is real, and really good.

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  16. That’s not what Scaryjello’s about. Even if he’s not a paid troll in the Kremlin basement what would he be saying different? He b!tches and moans continually that nothing good is real everything is awful and will stay that way……While he’s looking at the facts that say it is real and really good.

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  17. Two things.They have the flight hardware videos to go with the renderings &.Sh1tcanned is a good look for you so there’s that.

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  18. I think the question here is, what sort of tiles? The Shuttle was very dependent on especially extreme tiles, due to its aluminum air frame. At least these tiles won’t be at risk of being hit by debris falling off solid fuel boosters, and I doubt SpaceX is going to say, “We can’t mount a rescue mission, so they’ll just have to take their chances on reentering with a damaged thermal protection system.

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  19. And when YOU orbit over fifty payloads on YOUR company’s rockets, the rest of us will care what you’re skeptical about. Elon Musk is successfully delivering orbital space transportation (pioneering reusable rockets while he is at it), electric cars with usable range, innovative underground construction, and affordable solar energy. What have YOU done in the past twenty years?

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  20. And when YOU orbit over fifty payloads on YOUR company’s rockets the rest of us will care what you’re skeptical about. Elon Musk is successfully delivering orbital space transportation (pioneering reusable rockets while he is at it) electric cars with usable range innovative underground construction and affordable solar energy. What have YOU done in the past twenty years?

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  21. I’m still wondering about the refueling port location and the solar panel storage/deployment slots/doors. I’m thinking the vertical fin could provide the latter at the root. I’d like to see an interior schematic with them shown, though. They seem to side-step that. The refueling ports aren’t necessary for the lunar flyby, so they could keep those aft cargo bays. They could put some really awesome cameras back there, maybe some instrumentation for deep space radiation exposure, and a box or two of mission patches. Space-flown, let alone lunar-flown, collectibles are expensive. Each of those boxes is the size of a small desk, so that’s a LOT of patches/etc. they could sell off to offset the fuel expenses, at least. Not as “crazy” as selling flamethrowers, after all.

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  22. Don’t know where the first reply of mine went. The tiles if they are such would be PICA-X, not silica fiber. PICA-X has very good mechanical and thermodynamic properties, it is not fragile.

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  23. Are you a BOT or do you really think these things. Im curious if saying these things requires payment or its just natural. Are you making your family proud?

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  24. I’m still wondering about the refueling port location and the solar panel storage/deployment slots/doors. I’m thinking the vertical fin could provide the latter at the root. I’d like to see an interior schematic with them shown though. They seem to side-step that. The refueling ports aren’t necessary for the lunar flyby so they could keep those aft cargo bays. They could put some really awesome cameras back there maybe some instrumentation for deep space radiation exposure and a box or two of mission patches. Space-flown let alone lunar-flown collectibles are expensive. Each of those boxes is the size of a small desk so that’s a LOT of patches/etc. they could sell off to offset the fuel expenses at least. Not as crazy”” as selling flamethrowers”””” after all.”””

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  25. Don’t know where the first reply of mine went. The tiles if they are such would be PICA-X not silica fiber. PICA-X has very good mechanical and thermodynamic properties it is not fragile.

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  26. Are you a BOT or do you really think these things. Im curious if saying these things requires payment or its just natural. Are you making your family proud?

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  27. I don’t think he’s a bot (Unless bots are a lot better than I believe.) he’s just got some kind of issues””.”””

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  28. I don’t think he’s a bot (Unless bots are a lot better than I believe.) he’s just got some kind of issues””.”””

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  29. I’m still wondering about the refueling port location and the solar panel storage/deployment slots/doors. I’m thinking the vertical fin could provide the latter at the root. I’d like to see an interior schematic with them shown, though. They seem to side-step that. The refueling ports aren’t necessary for the lunar flyby, so they could keep those aft cargo bays. They could put some really awesome cameras back there, maybe some instrumentation for deep space radiation exposure, and a box or two of mission patches. Space-flown, let alone lunar-flown, collectibles are expensive. Each of those boxes is the size of a small desk, so that’s a LOT of patches/etc. they could sell off to offset the fuel expenses, at least. Not as “crazy” as selling flamethrowers, after all.

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  30. I’m still wondering about the refueling port location and the solar panel storage/deployment slots/doors. I’m thinking the vertical fin could provide the latter at the root. I’d like to see an interior schematic with them shown though. They seem to side-step that. The refueling ports aren’t necessary for the lunar flyby so they could keep those aft cargo bays. They could put some really awesome cameras back there maybe some instrumentation for deep space radiation exposure and a box or two of mission patches. Space-flown let alone lunar-flown collectibles are expensive. Each of those boxes is the size of a small desk so that’s a LOT of patches/etc. they could sell off to offset the fuel expenses at least. Not as crazy”” as selling flamethrowers”””” after all.”””

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  31. Don’t know where the first reply of mine went. The tiles if they are such would be PICA-X, not silica fiber. PICA-X has very good mechanical and thermodynamic properties, it is not fragile.

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  32. Don’t know where the first reply of mine went. The tiles if they are such would be PICA-X not silica fiber. PICA-X has very good mechanical and thermodynamic properties it is not fragile.

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  33. Are you a BOT or do you really think these things. Im curious if saying these things requires payment or its just natural. Are you making your family proud?

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  34. Are you a BOT or do you really think these things. Im curious if saying these things requires payment or its just natural. Are you making your family proud?

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  35. And when YOU orbit over fifty payloads on YOUR company’s rockets, the rest of us will care what you’re skeptical about. Elon Musk is successfully delivering orbital space transportation (pioneering reusable rockets while he is at it), electric cars with usable range, innovative underground construction, and affordable solar energy. What have YOU done in the past twenty years?

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  36. And when YOU orbit over fifty payloads on YOUR company’s rockets the rest of us will care what you’re skeptical about. Elon Musk is successfully delivering orbital space transportation (pioneering reusable rockets while he is at it) electric cars with usable range innovative underground construction and affordable solar energy. What have YOU done in the past twenty years?

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  37. That’s not what Scaryjello’s about. Even if he’s not a paid troll in the Kremlin basement, what would he be saying different? He b!tches and moans continually that nothing good is real, everything is awful and will stay that way… …While he’s looking at the facts that say it is real, and really good.

    Reply
  38. That’s not what Scaryjello’s about. Even if he’s not a paid troll in the Kremlin basement what would he be saying different? He b!tches and moans continually that nothing good is real everything is awful and will stay that way……While he’s looking at the facts that say it is real and really good.

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  39. Two things. They have the flight hardware videos to go with the renderings, &. Sh1tcanned is a good look for you, so there’s that.

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  40. I’m still wondering about the refueling port location and the solar panel storage/deployment slots/doors. I’m thinking the vertical fin could provide the latter at the root. I’d like to see an interior schematic with them shown, though. They seem to side-step that.
    The refueling ports aren’t necessary for the lunar flyby, so they could keep those aft cargo bays. They could put some really awesome cameras back there, maybe some instrumentation for deep space radiation exposure, and a box or two of mission patches. Space-flown, let alone lunar-flown, collectibles are expensive. Each of those boxes is the size of a small desk, so that’s a LOT of patches/etc. they could sell off to offset the fuel expenses, at least. Not as “crazy” as selling flamethrowers, after all.

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  41. Don’t know where the first reply of mine went. The tiles if they are such would be PICA-X, not silica fiber. PICA-X has very good mechanical and thermodynamic properties, it is not fragile.

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  42. And when YOU orbit over fifty payloads on YOUR company’s rockets, the rest of us will care what you’re skeptical about. Elon Musk is successfully delivering orbital space transportation (pioneering reusable rockets while he is at it), electric cars with usable range, innovative underground construction, and affordable solar energy. What have YOU done in the past twenty years?

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  43. The image of the forward section of the vehicle appears to show a massive number of thermal protection tiles covering its underside. Far more than the space shuttle used. Huge amount of work to manufacture/ install/inspect all those thermal protection tiles.

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  44. The image of the forward section of the vehicle appears to show a massive number of thermal protection tiles covering its underside. Far more than the space shuttle used. Huge amount of work to manufacture/ install/inspect all those thermal protection tiles.

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  45. I think the question here is, what sort of tiles? The Shuttle was very dependent on especially extreme tiles, due to its aluminum air frame.

    At least these tiles won’t be at risk of being hit by debris falling off solid fuel boosters, and I doubt SpaceX is going to say, “We can’t mount a rescue mission, so they’ll just have to take their chances on reentering with a damaged thermal protection system.”

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  46. ” I am becoming increasingly skeptical ” <-- It is pathological skepticism. SpaceX track record is not fairly successful, it is wildly successful. The price of LEO access has been dropped 17 fold in about as many years, with the plausible decrease further of 10 to 20 fold on top of that. Even if the market bears a far higher price, the cost is what SpaceX pays in going to Mars. Musk two years ago mentioned mid 2019 for test hops of the BFS, Shotwell just last month said late 2019. At most 6 months of slippage on a very near term goal--at this rate, they will at worst fly the BFS in early 2020.

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  47. That’s not what Scaryjello’s about. Even if he’s not a paid troll in the Kremlin basement, what would he be saying different? He b!tches and moans continually that nothing good is real, everything is awful and will stay that way…

    …While he’s looking at the facts that say it is real, and really good.

    Reply
  48. Yep he is FOS with the Raptor engines also. I guess he is also a looser with the ability for the Falcons to land and be reused and the costs is 1/4 of the Boeing/Lockheed rockets. So gives a damn if he is a year late or he modifies the design he is still going to dominate the launch market. Ask yourself why the existing rocket companies cannot compete if he is such a looser moron etc? And he would suck at walking on water.

    Reply
  49. Yep he is FOS with the Raptor engines also. I guess he is also a looser with the ability for the Falcons to land and be reused and the costs is 1/4 of the Boeing/Lockheed rockets. So gives a damn if he is a year late or he modifies the design he is still going to dominate the launch market. Ask yourself why the existing rocket companies cannot compete if he is such a looser moron etc? And he would suck at walking on water.

    Reply
  50. While I dislike Tesla’s distraction and apparent unneeded stress over the guy directing all the one trick ponies, I came to realize there is a method on this folly: Every single company E. Musk owns (with a serious purpose) is geared to give a piece of a presumed Martian economy: SpaceX for transport there and back, Solar City for power generation, Tesla for electric energy storage and transportation on the ground (no O2 for combustion engines, ergo all vehicles on Mars ought to be electric), Starlink for communications and logistics, the Boring company to bury your homes, facilities and yourself on the ground, away from radiation, etc. There would be a company for the Sabatier reactors for methane production, if only there was a strong enough need of that on Earth. This tech they will have to develop as part of SpaceX’s own efforts. The guy is true space nut and wants to have the most elements in place for making his Mars city. But looking at the time and effort involved, he surely ought to have noticed by now that you can’t build a civilization with just a few cool and necessary elements. Thus, the recent approaches of SpaceX to government space programs, like those presumably sending people back to cislunar space. He wants them to finance and perform some of the chores, and probably will have others involved soon to provide the shelters, food production and life systems. This whole fuss for fulfilling a childhood dream is, at least, something to admire.

    Reply
  51. While I dislike Tesla’s distraction and apparent unneeded stress over the guy directing all the one trick ponies I came to realize there is a method on this folly:Every single company E. Musk owns (with a serious purpose) is geared to give a piece of a presumed Martian economy: SpaceX for transport there and back Solar City for power generation Tesla for electric energy storage and transportation on the ground (no O2 for combustion engines ergo all vehicles on Mars ought to be electric) Starlink for communications and logistics the Boring company to bury your homes facilities and yourself on the ground away from radiation etc.There would be a company for the Sabatier reactors for methane production if only there was a strong enough need of that on Earth. This tech they will have to develop as part of SpaceX’s own efforts.The guy is true space nut and wants to have the most elements in place for making his Mars city. But looking at the time and effort involved he surely ought to have noticed by now that you can’t build a civilization with just a few cool and necessary elements.Thus the recent approaches of SpaceX to government space programs like those presumably sending people back to cislunar space.He wants them to finance and perform some of the chores and probably will have others involved soon to provide the shelters food production and life systems.This whole fuss for fulfilling a childhood dream is at least something to admire.

    Reply
  52. The image of the forward section of the vehicle appears to show a massive number of thermal protection tiles covering its underside. Far more than the space shuttle used. Huge amount of work to manufacture/ install/inspect all those thermal protection tiles.

    Reply
  53. I’ll believe in this BFR and BFS business when it actually starts running. I am becoming increasingly skeptical of Elon Musk and his ability to deliver on what he says. SpaceX does have a fairly successful track record. But Tesla is a mess and Tesla is the much bigger company and effort.

    Reply
  54. I’ll believe in this BFR and BFS business when it actually starts running. I am becoming increasingly skeptical of Elon Musk and his ability to deliver on what he says. SpaceX does have a fairly successful track record. But Tesla is a mess and Tesla is the much bigger company and effort.

    Reply
  55. It’s called PR & marketing. They do need to sell seats / cargo missions. For that they need to first raise awareness, second generate interest, and third, once it’s built, demonstrate the capabilities. Such renderings cost very little today, compared to the hardware development cost.

    Reply
  56. It’s called PR & marketing. They do need to sell seats / cargo missions. For that they need to first raise awareness second generate interest and third once it’s built demonstrate the capabilities. Such renderings cost very little today compared to the hardware development cost.

    Reply
  57. You have to fully 3d model it anyway to perform necessary calculations of aerodynamic performance, heat loading, balance, long before you could decide to start building. Once you have the 3D model, rendering it is almost trivial.

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  58. You have to fully 3d model it anyway to perform necessary calculations of aerodynamic performance heat loading balance long before you could decide to start building.Once you have the 3D model rendering it is almost trivial.

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  59. It’s not as if the musk fluffer buzz really factors into the economic equation either so I don’t understand it. it’s not for recruitment,

    Reply
  60. It’s not as if the musk fluffer buzz really factors into the economic equation either so I don’t understand it. it’s not for recruitment

    Reply
  61. Yep he is FOS with the Raptor engines also. I guess he is also a looser with the ability for the Falcons to land and be reused and the costs is 1/4 of the Boeing/Lockheed rockets. So gives a damn if he is a year late or he modifies the design he is still going to dominate the launch market. Ask yourself why the existing rocket companies cannot compete if he is such a looser moron etc? And he would suck at walking on water.

    Reply
  62. While I dislike Tesla’s distraction and apparent unneeded stress over the guy directing all the one trick ponies, I came to realize there is a method on this folly:

    Every single company E. Musk owns (with a serious purpose) is geared to give a piece of a presumed Martian economy: SpaceX for transport there and back, Solar City for power generation, Tesla for electric energy storage and transportation on the ground (no O2 for combustion engines, ergo all vehicles on Mars ought to be electric), Starlink for communications and logistics, the Boring company to bury your homes, facilities and yourself on the ground, away from radiation, etc.

    There would be a company for the Sabatier reactors for methane production, if only there was a strong enough need of that on Earth. This tech they will have to develop as part of SpaceX’s own efforts.

    The guy is true space nut and wants to have the most elements in place for making his Mars city. But looking at the time and effort involved, he surely ought to have noticed by now that you can’t build a civilization with just a few cool and necessary elements.

    Thus, the recent approaches of SpaceX to government space programs, like those presumably sending people back to cislunar space.

    He wants them to finance and perform some of the chores, and probably will have others involved soon to provide the shelters, food production and life systems.

    This whole fuss for fulfilling a childhood dream is, at least, something to admire.

    Reply
  63. I’ll believe in this BFR and BFS business when it actually starts running.

    I am becoming increasingly skeptical of Elon Musk and his ability to deliver on what he says. SpaceX does have a fairly successful track record. But Tesla is a mess and Tesla is the much bigger company and effort.

    Reply
  64. It’s called PR & marketing. They do need to sell seats / cargo missions. For that they need to first raise awareness, second generate interest, and third, once it’s built, demonstrate the capabilities. Such renderings cost very little today, compared to the hardware development cost.

    Reply
  65. You have to fully 3d model it anyway to perform necessary calculations of aerodynamic performance, heat loading, balance, long before you could decide to start building.

    Once you have the 3D model, rendering it is almost trivial.

    Reply

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