With just 8% of the world’s population, Latin America accounts for roughly a third of global murders. It is also the only region where lethal violence has grown steadily since 2000, according to United Nations figures.
Above – Mexican soldiers and police guard a severed head which was left as a message between rival drug cartels.
Nearly one in every four murders around the world takes place in just four countries: Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia. Last year, a record 63,808 people were murdered in Brazil. Mexico also set a record at 31,174, with murders so far this year up another 20%.
* Large drug and organized crime problem. Latin America supplies a lot of the US illegal drug demand
* Latin America has more young people than most other regions
* high youth unemployment
* weak educational systems. Only 27% of Brazilians aged 25 or older have completed high school
In the 1950s, Singapore and Caracas had very similar murder rates, between 6 to 10 per 100,000 residents, according to Manuel Eisner, who studies historical levels of violence at the Violence Research Centre in Cambridge, U.K.
Singapore suffered from gangs, prostitution, drug trafficking and corruption. But after independence in 1962, authoritarian Lee Kwan Yew enforced rule of law, boosted education, and created a culture of working hard and achievement, and ensured social integration.
Singapore’s murder rate is 0.4 per 100,000 residents. The nongovernmental Venezuelan Violence Observatory estimates the country’s murder rate is roughly 110 per 100,000—about 34,000 a year.
Not all of Latin America has this problem. Chile’s murder rate of 3.6 per 100,000 is less the U.S. rate of about 5 per 100,000. In 2016, the estimated number of murders in the USA was 17,250.
Chicago had a murder rate of 23 per 100,000 in 2016.
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I’m Ecuadorean and aggressive attitudes in the day with regard road rage happen here as in the US but I have seen more in the nights, when it’s cooler in coastal large cities. People transform in the night, drivers jump out their cars to engage in fights because other cross their cars suddenly or because they annoy them with very loud klaxons. Homosexuals beat people if they stare at them or to steal or because they insult them. It’s common to have arguments in stores for things customers say are not published despite they are warned before soliciting a service.
Homicides have been reduced from 4,000 a year at the dawn of this century to 900 a year by controlling the consume of alcohol. In the past people drank in the streets without the police telling them anything. It is the main strengthener of the violence to perpetrators of homicides whose malice is always there. It’s common here to watch newspapers informing how one man killed another (sometimes relative, acquaintance) for insults related to the women of his family or his manhood.
Occurs the same than in the US, that the vast majority of those who commit those homicides usually are people who have abandoned catholicism and became protestants or atheists.
Religion is determinant factor in creating peaceful societies. Spain, Italy and Portugal are the greatest examples of it. Others not religious have low rates but that happens after peaks of violence that disgracefully are cyclical.
300,000 out of a population of 327,741,252 people is infitesimal.
Learn math.
25% is not “roughly a third”. It’s really more like “exactly a quarter”
The USA has over 300,000 rapes per year, of which 26% are by a stranger. Do you think less than 12 of those 75,000 were tourists? I don’t, so I would say the USA was more dangerous by far.
Think how much more those criminals could make if they all moved to America! The criminals are not so dumb that they don’t know that to. Personally I think if those poor criminals have kids and families we should let them in no matter how violent they are.
A lot of correlations do not equal causation in this post, it keeps repeatedly trying to link poor economics with violence while ignoring the elephant in the room (race)Singapore’s lowered murder rates were caused because the population of Singapore changed from majority Malayasian to majority Chinese, this change happened when mass anti Chinese riots erupted across Malayasia causing Chinese malayasians to flee to Singapore followed by Singapore’s expulsion from Malayasia China even in the past had very low murder rates, Europeans visiting in the 1800’s remarked that they saw little violence and lawlessness despite the Chinese living in great poverty compared to Industrial Europe Chile’s low murder rates comes from its white European majority. Chile is one of the whitest country in south America In fact the highest correlation to crime is not poverty but rather race, in the US wealthy blacks have higher homicide rates than poor whitesThis is most likely because the genes for violence are genetic in origin, and thus different groups of people evolved to have different amounts, IQ most likely also plays a role. This can be seen in animals, Apex predators like Tigers and Lions will seek to resolve conflict thru violence and aggression while rabbits and chipmunks will run. When coming upon a unknown animal a Tiger will always seek aggression even if the unknown animal is larger like a Rhino or Elephant , a rabbit on the other hand will flee from a mouse
The U.S.A. murder rate while at historically low levels is much too high when compared to other first world countries. Many of the murders are tied to the drug business. Legalizing drugs would reduce some of it.
Most of these murders are because of drugs. Legalize drugs and put it under control. Remove the financial incentive to traffic in drugs and most of these murders will just go away. Some people think that these murders are cultural. They are not. Most of these countries had much lower murder rates before the explosion in drug trafficking.
I’m having problems with the comment board, in particular an error message while posting, and then I can’t post again because the re-sent message “looks the same as one posted before” (which wasn’t).
Worked in Mexico for over three years, it’s really hard not to be a racist after that. The people there really felt less intelligent and lazier, and the government is known for discouraging education. Apparently they think it’s easier to govern/lie to the masses if they’re not as educated.
It’s all the Catholics they have down there.
I came here expecting comments explaining why this was all the USA’s fault, if not Trump personally.Am pleasantly surprised.
Generic reasons given do not apply to all countries.Brazil is not a drug supplier. Mostly it is a consumer. Brazils population growth rate is only 0.75%. Numbers of elders had already increased quite a lot.
And Jamaica is the tourist rape capital of North America, I believe:Detroit Free PressIn a dark laundry room at a Jamaican Sandals resort, pinned to the floor by a hotel lifeguard, a Michigan teenage girl lay paralyzed with fear as the man bit her lip and raped her, violently robbing her virginity.When her mother found her after the assault, trembling and holding herself in a hallway, the 17-year-old couldn’t speak. She could only point to a metal door.Behind the door, her friend was being gang-raped by three resort lifeguards.This is the Jamaica that the U.S. State Department has repeatedly warned tourists about. This is the island paradise that the government says has a pervasive sexual assault problem, the place where two Detroit women were raped in September, and an estimated one American is raped each month.Perhaps most alarming for tourists is that sexual assaults are occurring inside gated resorts — the place they are led to believe that they are most safe. For example, this year, the Beaches Ocho Rios Resort & Golf Club, where the lifeguard assaults occurred in 2015, was given the Travelers Choice Award by TripAdvisor; it’s the travel group’s highest recognition given to the top 1 percent of hotels.According to U.S. Embassy reports, 12 Americans were raped in Jamaica last year, half of them inside resorts by hotel employees. The U.S. government suspects this number may be higher as sexual assaults are often underreported, and the embassy figures don’t include victims from other countries.Now, this is where Luca/Matteo spins this with something about how the women deserved this because they are American.
You do know that there are countries and states that have legalized or decriminalized some drugs and the results have shown that doing so give better results than the current war on drugs. My current prescription plan offer both regular and generic drugs at different prices. You can also talk to your doctor about your options.
Only on TV were non-whites non-existent. The current crime rate is as low as the crime rate in the 50s and 60s. Back then they didn’t have a lot of 24×7 cable TV news that need to report every little thing like man litters. Crime rate in Europe might have been higher since they were much poorer due to the destruction cause by World War 2. You need to actually look at some numbers. As for who is white and who isn’t there isn’t a scientific definition so it is up to whom ever is writing the wanted poster. And as I have said to you before phenotype isn’t genotype. There isn’t any pure race. Everyone is mixed. What you have is Europeans with black and Asian blood. Asians with white and black blood. And Africans with white and Asian blood. There isn’t a force field around the continents so people bleed into each other.
You do know that there are countries and states that have legalized or decriminalized some drugs and the results have shown that doing so give better results than the current war on drugs.
My current prescription plan offer both regular and generic drugs at different prices. You can also talk to your doctor about your options.
Only on TV were non-whites non-existent. The current crime rate is as low as the crime rate in the 50s and 60s. Back then they didn’t have a lot of 24×7 cable TV news that need to report every little thing like man litters.
Crime rate in Europe might have been higher since they were much poorer due to the destruction cause by World War 2.
You need to actually look at some numbers.
As for who is white and who isn’t there isn’t a scientific definition so it is up to whom ever is writing the wanted poster. And as I have said to you before phenotype isn’t genotype.
There isn’t any pure race. Everyone is mixed. What you have is Europeans with black and Asian blood. Asians with white and black blood. And Africans with white and Asian blood. There isn’t a force field around the continents so people bleed into each other.
The figures in the article are wrong. About 64% of Brazilians aged from 25-34 have completed highschool.
The figures in the article are wrong. About 64% of Brazilians aged from 25-34 have completed highschool.
You should be able to find a bunch of articles about the success Portugal had legalizing all drugs. They are much better off. Legalization doesn’t prevent tragedies, but criminalization of drug addicts merely compounds the tragedy. Drugs laws are just traditional protectionism by all our legalized drug cartels and they do much more harm than good all for corporate profit margins.
Legalizing it would cause far more suffering and poor job performance. The cost-benefit is a major looser.Though, I do think many of the non-addictive non-recreational drugs should be available without a prescription, and that doctors should not prescribe a specific medication unless there is a strong reason (off label use is one good reason). They should just give a code that the pharmacist understands to be a group of medications, and you make the choice among the options looking at price, effectiveness, side effects, etc.
Lead damages impulse-control.Every group is doing better on the marshmallow test…because there is less lead exposure, because lead fuel additives were banned for cars. It is still in aviation gas (avgas) though. They have been planning to do something about it for decades.If you live in a 50 year old house because you are poor…you get lead. Or if you live where there has been heavy traffic for several decades there will be a lot of fallout lead on the ground and in the soil.
Instructors are more likely to get respect if they make good use of class time, they are intelligent, excited by their subject mater, look dignified, sound dignified, and crucially, the school and classrooms look dignified. If they look like Ronald McDonald’s play area, or psych ward, you are not going to get students to pay attention, they will be distracted, or board. You want something like a courthouse, or a fine dining restaurant. They have seen people behave dignified in places like these on TV, Movies, etc. They will go along. It may take a bit of training as well, but it is bound to be better than teaching in the midst of crap. I am not saying it has to be intimidating necessarily. Intimidating is not optimal for little kids. Go for dignified, but ingenious, complex and brilliant.It is also better not to waste student time. That means assignments should be made as easy to do, something challenging, as possible. Teachers who want students to struggle, get frustrated, and suffer because they did…though they know there is an easier way…to make the students feel small, is quickly going to loose all respect. Nauseating the students as they try to figure out what the instructor wanted and why, will also lose respect quickly, as the instructor did not respect their students.I don’t think much can be done if the teacher is a moron, who has no chance of getting any respect outside of a second grade classroom. I don’t know how this is going to sound, but I think teaching schools should only allow prospective teachers-in-training in, if they have a 120 IQ or better. Why? Because IQ is school ability, and we are talking about running a class in a school. There are few better applications for the test. We want our teachers to be bright, not just following some drilled in directions. And I don’t care what level they want to teach. Do you really want your children taught by a moron? People graduate who have their spouse or significant other do all their difficult assignments, or other friends do them, edit them, correct them, etc.
While not an ideal solution, you can improve school by having more of it. Longer days and more days…preferably with students getting all their assigned work done in study hall or something like it (to insure it is done and not just by cheating…every kid has a smartphone now to cheat with). Teachers don’t mind more paid hours, and more paid days.
We are talking about brain damage from early exposure to lead and low iodine. Inner city African Americans generally have to live in old homes with lead. And in the inner cities it is worse, because there is lead on the ground and in the soil from several decades of lead fallout from automobile exhaust.Lead damages impulse control and IQ at the same time, though impulse control is probably more effected. Exposure during fetal development is the worst. Iodine deficiency also damages IQ (probably worse than lead) and reduces moral ability.”All pregnant women (sample size 184) surveyed during 2005–2008 had a median UI concentration of 125mg/L (95% CI 86–198), and 56.9% /-7.9% of this group had a UI concentration of<150mg/L. UI concentrations were lower among non–Hispanic black survey participants than non–Hispanic white and Mexican-American participants.” National Health and Nutrition Examination SurveyAnd these numbers have fallen as well, because people are putting less table salt on their food, and when they do, they are less likely to use iodized salt. They often use the so called Himalayan salt or sea salt, erroneously thinking that is somehow better.And some people think the salt that is added in canned food and such…has iodine…nope.Iodine is cheap. Just put 1 drop in your food once a week. Then you don’t have to add iodized salt to anything. I bought: Iosol Formula II 1 fl oz Liquid for like $14. One oz. has 610 drops. One drop a week…11 1/2 years. 2.3 cents a week.If we had all the women of child bearing age taking this, I believe it would put a huge dent in crime, and likely result in lots of engineers, scientists, and mathematicians. Probably good game players, and, better drivers, and I don’t mean golf.
You should be able to find a bunch of articles about the success Portugal had legalizing all drugs. They are much better off. Legalization doesn’t prevent tragedies, but criminalization of drug addicts merely compounds the tragedy. Drugs laws are just traditional protectionism by all our legalized drug cartels and they do much more harm than good all for corporate profit margins.
People think they can tell how much testosterone someone has by appearance. Totally bogus. Indians actually have the highest amount. It does not have much to do with anything except perhaps diet and exercise.But biology does matter, just not the genetic type. Although there are exceptions, there is a hothead gene and schizophrenia genes, for example, but no group has a monopoly on the genes we are talking about. Human populations are incredibly genetically homogeneous despite what your eyes tell you. Remember that your brain is rigged to exaggerate differences between people so you can remember who is who. Chimps have vastly more genetic differences from one another…but to us…one chimp looks pretty much the same as another of the same gender and age. No, the biology that matters the most is exposure to lead and iodine deficiency both at young ages. Health issues, misdirected aggravation at parasites, pests, and such and hot and sticky weather can push someone over the edge as well. Additionally, failure to train people to deal with their anger in effective ways can be a problem.
It is a story of iodine, lead, and the availability of firearms. Too little iodine, too much lead, and wide availability of firearms results in a lot of murders. Drug cartels, poor race relations, poor cultural relations, high heat and humidity are also factors. Having some lithium in the water supply, which happens naturally in some areas, appears to reduce suicide rates. Murder? Probably.High heat and humidity are definitely capable of making what might have just been a very heated argument, or a couple of punches, a murder instead. As such, global warming could result in somewhat higher murder rates. Though who knows, it could increase birth rates as well.Too little iodine reduces moral ability, and higher levels than recommended may actually enhance it. Cretinism is a condition in which lack of iodine has lead to stunting, some retardation and crucially the inability to tell what is right or wrong in one’s culture. There is good reason to think less severe iodine deficiency can also weaken one’s moral compass. High fish consumption seems to protect a population from a lot of murders, as long as the fish is available and affordable everywhere in the country and not just on the coast…if there is a coast. There is generally some iodine in fish, though it varies species to species. Cod is the highest in a commonly consumed fish. Seaweed can be very high in iodine. Kelp can have hundreds of times higher levels than other common sources of iodine.Too much lead during development results to poor impulse control..all sorts of impulses, including the impulse to kill or just become violent resulting in murder.Firearms just make it much easier to kill. Someone really obsessed can certainly find another way, but there are fewer of those. I think the ease of mass murder with firearms is overblown…but true. Most murders are just one person maybe two.Insuring every pregnant mother is getting enough iodine would be the best preventative. And for the US that means helping Latin America to do this also. Because, their citizens often become our citizens. Continuing to remove more lead from the environment is also important. We need to ban the sale of lead-acid starter batteries. That is upwards of 80% of the market for lead. With that market decimated, there will be few active smelters and mines. And there really is no issue with doing that as lithium ion can replace stater batteries. It may cost 3 times as much, but it will last over 3 times as long. And that means improved car reliability, lower weight and fuel savings. And there has been a lot of foot dragging in eliminating lead additive in aviation fuel for small aircraft. Brass that is going to be used by households should also not have lead. Especially faucets, doorknobs/handles and keys. Lead sinkers, and lead ammunition needs to be banned to protect the environment and ourselves.
Legalizing it would cause far more suffering and poor job performance. The cost-benefit is a major looser.
Though, I do think many of the non-addictive non-recreational drugs should be available without a prescription, and that doctors should not prescribe a specific medication unless there is a strong reason (off label use is one good reason). They should just give a code that the pharmacist understands to be a group of medications, and you make the choice among the options looking at price, effectiveness, side effects, etc.
Lead damages impulse-control.
Every group is doing better on the marshmallow test…because there is less lead exposure, because lead fuel additives were banned for cars. It is still in aviation gas (avgas) though. They have been planning to do something about it for decades.
If you live in a 50 year old house because you are poor…you get lead. Or if you live where there has been heavy traffic for several decades there will be a lot of fallout lead on the ground and in the soil.
Instructors are more likely to get respect if they make good use of class time, they are intelligent, excited by their subject mater, look dignified, sound dignified, and crucially, the school and classrooms look dignified. If they look like Ronald McDonald’s play area, or psych ward, you are not going to get students to pay attention, they will be distracted, or board. You want something like a courthouse, or a fine dining restaurant. They have seen people behave dignified in places like these on TV, Movies, etc. They will go along. It may take a bit of training as well, but it is bound to be better than teaching in the midst of crap. I am not saying it has to be intimidating necessarily. Intimidating is not optimal for little kids. Go for dignified, but ingenious, complex and brilliant.
It is also better not to waste student time. That means assignments should be made as easy to do, something challenging, as possible. Teachers who want students to struggle, get frustrated, and suffer because they did…though they know there is an easier way…to make the students feel small, is quickly going to loose all respect. Nauseating the students as they try to figure out what the instructor wanted and why, will also lose respect quickly, as the instructor did not respect their students.
I don’t think much can be done if the teacher is a moron, who has no chance of getting any respect outside of a second grade classroom. I don’t know how this is going to sound, but I think teaching schools should only allow prospective teachers-in-training in, if they have a 120 IQ or better. Why? Because IQ is school ability, and we are talking about running a class in a school. There are few better applications for the test. We want our teachers to be bright, not just following some drilled in directions. And I don’t care what level they want to teach. Do you really want your children taught by a moron? People graduate who have their spouse or significant other do all their difficult assignments, or other friends do them, edit them, correct them, etc.
While not an ideal solution, you can improve school by having more of it. Longer days and more days…preferably with students getting all their assigned work done in study hall or something like it (to insure it is done and not just by cheating…every kid has a smartphone now to cheat with). Teachers don’t mind more paid hours, and more paid days.
We are talking about brain damage from early exposure to lead and low iodine. Inner city African Americans generally have to live in old homes with lead. And in the inner cities it is worse, because there is lead on the ground and in the soil from several decades of lead fallout from automobile exhaust.
Lead damages impulse control and IQ at the same time, though impulse control is probably more effected. Exposure during fetal development is the worst. Iodine deficiency also damages IQ (probably worse than lead) and reduces moral ability.
“All pregnant women (sample size 184) surveyed during 2005–2008 had a median UI concentration of 125mg/L (95% CI 86–198), and 56.9%
+/-7.9% of this group had a UI concentration of<150mg/L. UI concentrations were lower among non–Hispanic black survey participants than non–Hispanic white and Mexican-American participants." National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey
And these numbers have fallen as well, because people are putting less table salt on their food, and when they do, they are less likely to use iodized salt. They often use the so called Himalayan salt or sea salt, erroneously thinking that is somehow better.
And some people think the salt that is added in canned food and such...has iodine...nope.
Iodine is cheap. Just put 1 drop in your food once a week. Then you don't have to add iodized salt to anything. I bought: Iosol Formula II 1 fl oz Liquid for like $14. One oz. has 610 drops. One drop a week...11 1/2 years. 2.3 cents a week.
If we had all the women of child bearing age taking this, I believe it would put a huge dent in crime, and likely result in lots of engineers, scientists, and mathematicians. Probably good game players, and, better drivers, and I don't mean golf.
Hmm, could be both. Higher testosterone is good for a dangerous environment but they also make uncaring fathers. The kind that beats up the wife and walks out on the family.I read that a lack of father figures is a huge risk factor that ramps up the odds for young guys to join violent gangs.I imagine a black American culture of many youth whose dad walked out on them as well as entire gens of children raised by Hispanic single mums. But then again, there are plenty of family orientated Hispanics as well as Obama whose Nigerian dad walked out on him and his mum, yet he actually became president of United States and had a family on his own. So not wise to overgeneralise as there are strong exceptions.
Genetic?? Based on what study? If it’s an empirical statistical one. Then it’s hard to differentiate from poor socioeconomic backgrounds like being raised by a single mum, tends to be more a behavioural nurture reason for gang violence. No father figures.
People think they can tell how much testosterone someone has by appearance. Totally bogus. Indians actually have the highest amount. It does not have much to do with anything except perhaps diet and exercise.
But biology does matter, just not the genetic type. Although there are exceptions, there is a hothead gene and schizophrenia genes, for example, but no group has a monopoly on the genes we are talking about. Human populations are incredibly genetically homogeneous despite what your eyes tell you. Remember that your brain is rigged to exaggerate differences between people so you can remember who is who. Chimps have vastly more genetic differences from one another…but to us…one chimp looks pretty much the same as another of the same gender and age.
No, the biology that matters the most is exposure to lead and iodine deficiency both at young ages. Health issues, misdirected aggravation at parasites, pests, and such and hot and sticky weather can push someone over the edge as well. Additionally, failure to train people to deal with their anger in effective ways can be a problem.
No but we can look at US crime rates in the 1960’s and 1950’s when non whites were non existent At the crime rate was extremely low similar to other 90% white countries like Europe, Canada etc… Afterwards as time passed more Hispanics started crossing, more whites started racemixing and politicians started demanding that the police start arresting more white people What happened was that police started labeling many Hispanics and middle easterners, central Asians as white. At this time the white crime rate shot up So the evidence is strong that whites do have lower crime ratesThe whites in the US show higher because of the need for police departments and prison wardens to mess around with statistics by labeling many non whites as whites Look through any US most wanted list and you will find numerous clearly non white people that are labeled as white in their description
It is a story of iodine, lead, and the availability of firearms. Too little iodine, too much lead, and wide availability of firearms results in a lot of murders. Drug cartels, poor race relations, poor cultural relations, high heat and humidity are also factors. Having some lithium in the water supply, which happens naturally in some areas, appears to reduce suicide rates. Murder? Probably.
High heat and humidity are definitely capable of making what might have just been a very heated argument, or a couple of punches, a murder instead. As such, global warming could result in somewhat higher murder rates. Though who knows, it could increase birth rates as well.
Too little iodine reduces moral ability, and higher levels than recommended may actually enhance it. Cretinism is a condition in which lack of iodine has lead to stunting, some retardation and crucially the inability to tell what is right or wrong in one’s culture. There is good reason to think less severe iodine deficiency can also weaken one’s moral compass. High fish consumption seems to protect a population from a lot of murders, as long as the fish is available and affordable everywhere in the country and not just on the coast…if there is a coast. There is generally some iodine in fish, though it varies species to species. Cod is the highest in a commonly consumed fish. Seaweed can be very high in iodine. Kelp can have hundreds of times higher levels than other common sources of iodine.
Too much lead during development results to poor impulse control..all sorts of impulses, including the impulse to kill or just become violent resulting in murder.
Firearms just make it much easier to kill. Someone really obsessed can certainly find another way, but there are fewer of those. I think the ease of mass murder with firearms is overblown…but true. Most murders are just one person maybe two.
Insuring every pregnant mother is getting enough iodine would be the best preventative. And for the US that means helping Latin America to do this also. Because, their citizens often become our citizens. Continuing to remove more lead from the environment is also important. We need to ban the sale of lead-acid starter batteries. That is upwards of 80% of the market for lead. With that market decimated, there will be few active smelters and mines. And there really is no issue with doing that as lithium ion can replace stater batteries. It may cost 3 times as much, but it will last over 3 times as long. And that means improved car reliability, lower weight and fuel savings.
And there has been a lot of foot dragging in eliminating lead additive in aviation fuel for small aircraft. Brass that is going to be used by households should also not have lead. Especially faucets, doorknobs/handles and keys. Lead sinkers, and lead ammunition needs to be banned to protect the environment and ourselves.
No but we can look at US crime rates in the 1960’s and 1950’s when non whites were non existent
At the crime rate was extremely low similar to other 90% white countries like Europe, Canada etc…
Afterwards as time passed more Hispanics started crossing, more whites started racemixing and politicians started demanding that the police start arresting more white people
What happened was that police started labeling many Hispanics and middle easterners, central Asians as white. At this time the white crime rate shot up
So the evidence is strong that whites do have lower crime rates
The whites in the US show higher because of the need for police departments and prison wardens to mess around with statistics by labeling many non whites as whites
Look through any US most wanted list and you will find numerous clearly non white people that are labeled as white in their description
And 25% of people considered white are actually black. How many generations does it take to turn a black family into a white family. It only takes three and only that long if the family came directly from Africa. Phenotype is not genotype. We won’t even count whites that have Native American and Asian blood.
And 25% of people considered white are actually black. How many generations does it take to turn a black family into a white family. It only takes three and only that long if the family came directly from Africa. Phenotype is not genotype. We won’t even count whites that have Native American and Asian blood.
Violence is common in our species but murder is most likely to occur in the six percent of males and two percent of females with little or no conscience. I think that psychopathic leaders in the past was good for our species. With African Americans it is thought that many of the homicides are actually suicide because of their higher genetic susceptibility to depression.
A lot of whites are categorized as Hispanics to juice up the numbers For instance the MAGA bomber and George Zimmerman just 2 examples were categorized as whites on police reports but nobody in their right mind would say that these 2 were whites
There’s no evidence that violence was equally selected out amongst all people’s all races everywhere in equal amountsViolence would be a massive reproductive advantage in Africa and native america where groups regularly attacked other groups, killed the men and raped all the women Being violent and killing your enemies and impregnating their woman would be a massive reproductive advantage. While in a civilized society being violent would lead to your own death. For the vast bulk of history for these locations this was the dominant system
There are numerous intelligent tests that can be performed on young children and you get the same pattern. But according to you the magic of thug culture is seeping into 3 year old kids
You realize that African immigrants do not disprove the argument that Africans are more violent. Again its cherry picking Its equivalent to someone claiming that blacks have lower SAT scores and then someone attempting to refute by saying there are a couple of black people at MIT Yes if you take the top .01% of the Africans and Africa they will have a low crime rate. What’s your point?
Nope the study Murray and Herrnstein 1994, when controlled for IQ of ~100 blacks still had higher crime rates than whites with ~100 IQ The only person making things up is you
>Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1000) : Poor urban whites (56.4 per 1000). So the common denominator is poverty, not race. Look at the title of the study its from the Household poverty and Nonfatal violent victimization, 2008-2012 The exact quote from the BJS website is”Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)This is a victimization survey, so this means that poor urban whites are as likely to be victims as poor urban blacks. This doesn’t mean that they are committing crimes If you actually look at the entire study, blacks are far more likely to victimize whites than vice versa so the numbers still work out to poor blacks committing more crimes Furthermore Homocide’s are not included>There are VIRTUALLY NO BLACKS in Japan, those in Canada are French Caribbean descended emigres. There are virtually no blacks in either of these 2 countries, but you are missing the point the few blacks that are there commit a disproportionate amount of crime. In Japan the bulk of the crime is committed by foreigners particularly by blacks in roppongi >look at crime in rural Chiapas, Mexico and compare to crime in urban Mexico City. Mexico City is HEAVILY European-descended spanish, while Chiapias is heavily indigenous. Cherry pick hard enough and anything is possible, you could probably find a black area that has lower crime rates than a white area This doesn’t disprove the fact that 99% of the time its the opposite just like a couple of black guys at MIT don’t disprove the fact that blacks on average score lower on the SAT>So why are the most violent parts of Brazil the big cities where there are the most Portuguese and Spanish-descended peoples Nope the heavily white people don’t live in the city, google “brazil crime map” and now google “brazil race map” now overlay the two, notice a pattern? The whitest areas the southern part has the lowest crime rates
Violence is common in our species but murder is most likely to occur in the six percent of males and two percent of females with little or no conscience. I think that psychopathic leaders in the past was good for our species. With African Americans it is thought that many of the homicides are actually suicide because of their higher genetic susceptibility to depression.
A lot of whites are categorized as Hispanics to juice up the numbers
For instance the MAGA bomber and George Zimmerman just 2 examples were categorized as whites on police reports but nobody in their right mind would say that these 2 were whites
There’s no evidence that violence was equally selected out amongst all people’s all races everywhere in equal amounts
Violence would be a massive reproductive advantage in Africa and native america where groups regularly attacked other groups, killed the men and raped all the women
Being violent and killing your enemies and impregnating their woman would be a massive reproductive advantage.
While in a civilized society being violent would lead to your own death.
For the vast bulk of history for these locations this was the dominant system
There are numerous intelligent tests that can be performed on young children and you get the same pattern.
But according to you the magic of thug culture is seeping into 3 year old kids
You realize that African immigrants do not disprove the argument that Africans are more violent.
Again its cherry picking
Its equivalent to someone claiming that blacks have lower SAT scores and then someone attempting to refute by saying there are a couple of black people at MIT
Yes if you take the top .01% of the Africans and Africa they will have a low crime rate. What’s your point?
Nope the study Murray and Herrnstein 1994, when controlled for IQ of ~100 blacks still had higher crime rates than whites with ~100 IQ
The only person making things up is you
>Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1000) : Poor urban whites (56.4 per 1000). So the common denominator is poverty, not race.
Look at the title of the study its from the Household poverty and Nonfatal violent victimization, 2008-2012
The exact quote from the BJS website is
“Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)
This is a victimization survey, so this means that poor urban whites are as likely to be victims as poor urban blacks. This doesn’t mean that they are committing crimes
If you actually look at the entire study, blacks are far more likely to victimize whites than vice versa so the numbers still work out to poor blacks committing more crimes
Furthermore Homocide’s are not included
>There are VIRTUALLY NO BLACKS in Japan, those in Canada are French Caribbean descended emigres.
There are virtually no blacks in either of these 2 countries, but you are missing the point the few blacks that are there commit a disproportionate amount of crime. In Japan the bulk of the crime is committed by foreigners particularly by blacks in roppongi
>look at crime in rural Chiapas, Mexico and compare to crime in urban Mexico City. Mexico City is HEAVILY European-descended spanish, while Chiapias is heavily indigenous.
Cherry pick hard enough and anything is possible, you could probably find a black area that has lower crime rates than a white area
This doesn’t disprove the fact that 99% of the time its the opposite just like a couple of black guys at MIT don’t disprove the fact that blacks on average score lower on the SAT
>So why are the most violent parts of Brazil the big cities where there are the most Portuguese and Spanish-descended peoples
Nope the heavily white people don’t live in the city, google “brazil crime map” and now google “brazil race map” now overlay the two, notice a pattern?
The whitest areas the southern part has the lowest crime rates
Causes for violence in Brazil are clear and is rooted in the lack of social development well symbolized by scant amount of its people showing completed high school as mentioned in the article. Such poor social development drives to obvious social ills.
And still yet most whites are raped and murder by whites. Why not just compare white only murders with the other First World Countries. By the way the poverty that leads to the murders committed by blacks and Hispanics arise from the systemic racism that they are under.
That is not exactly true. Many European nations have decriminalize drugs and are more focus on drug treatment that on incarceration. It might seem non-obvious but the greater the supply the lower the profits.
Their governments have always been a bit iffy. The explosion in drug trafficking didn’t help.
The comparison were between national averages of other First World Nations. It indicates that something is not right with us.
Might not be that bad an idea. At one time duels were legal. But it shouldn’t be a contest of skill but of luck. The world could use a bit of culling. Instead of drug dealer shooting at each other on a busy street they could duel. Dueling could rid the world of disagreeable people.
Causes for violence in Brazil are clear and is rooted in the lack of social development well symbolized by scant amount of its people showing completed high school as mentioned in the article. Such poor social development drives to obvious social ills.
And still yet most whites are raped and murder by whites. Why not just compare white only murders with the other First World Countries. By the way the poverty that leads to the murders committed by blacks and Hispanics arise from the systemic racism that they are under.
That is not exactly true. Many European nations have decriminalize drugs and are more focus on drug treatment that on incarceration. It might seem non-obvious but the greater the supply the lower the profits.
Their governments have always been a bit iffy. The explosion in drug trafficking didn’t help.
The comparison were between national averages of other First World Nations. It indicates that something is not right with us.
wrong – you can improve education.”Not in America. Not unless you abolish Cabal Known As The Teachers Unions And Their Government Buddies.
Might not be that bad an idea. At one time duels were legal. But it shouldn’t be a contest of skill but of luck. The world could use a bit of culling. Instead of drug dealer shooting at each other on a busy street they could duel. Dueling could rid the world of disagreeable people.
See what I just posted here with the ending caveat that Matteo will soon spin all of this as being America’s fault.
And Jamaica is the tourist rape capital of North America, I believe:Detroit Free PressIn a dark laundry room at a Jamaican Sandals resort, pinned to the floor by a hotel lifeguard, a Michigan teenage girl lay paralyzed with fear as the man bit her lip and raped her, violently robbing her virginity.When her mother found her after the assault, trembling and holding herself in a hallway, the 17-year-old couldn’t speak. She could only point to a metal door.Behind the door, her friend was being gang-raped by three resort lifeguards.This is the Jamaica that the U.S. State Department has repeatedly warned tourists about. This is the island paradise that the government says has a pervasive sexual assault problem, the place where two Detroit women were raped in September, and an estimated one American is raped each month.Perhaps most alarming for tourists is that sexual assaults are occurring inside gated resorts — the place they are led to believe that they are most safe. For example, this year, the Beaches Ocho Rios Resort & Golf Club, where the lifeguard assaults occurred in 2015, was given the Travelers Choice Award by TripAdvisor; it’s the travel group’s highest recognition given to the top 1 percent of hotels.According to U.S. Embassy reports, 12 Americans were raped in Jamaica last year, half of them inside resorts by hotel employees. The U.S. government suspects this number may be higher as sexual assaults are often underreported, and the embassy figures don’t include victims from other countries.Now, this is where Luca/Matteo spins this with something about how the women deserved this because they are American.
To your point about Darwinian selection:It has been argued that we’ve already reversed the trend that our H/G ancestors provided. Two things happen in evolution – natural selection and random walk. So for instance if you’re Scandinavian, there is a higher probability you will be lactose intolerant than someone descended from Western Europe because cattle farming arrived late in Scandinavia so there was a less strong selective advantage to the random mutation of digesting lactose in adulthood. Lactose intolerance, however, can also just appear randomly in a genetic line that DID have the lactose digestion gene at one time, so a person descended from populations who farmed in France for 8000 years, can actually be lactose intolerant, because the gene can just FLIP for no reason, 3 generations ago, or 1 generation ago. It’s just not as likely when looking at large populations of people.Similarly, we have some more violent individuals today; however, it is likely they’re not violent because of the selective advantage of violent traits in the H/G ancestors, because social anthros also argue that grassilization was the process of humans being more docile and less hostile as communities became more integrated and violence became less advantageous over cooperation. This is by no means a settled question and the relative reproductive benefits of hostility vs. cooperativeness/docility are still hotly debated, especially in the H/G period vs. the semi settled period vs the settled period vs. the city-state period, etc etc. Long story short, it is probably the case that violent dispositions today are as much a product of random mutation as they are a product of natural selection, because another round of natural selection may have weeded out the especially violent ones.”To conserve” also translates as to ostracize and demonize that which is “other”, to suppress newness and iovation or progression (as iovation and progression always supplants “that which we are conserving”), to encourage what is practiced and known and to suppress what is revolutionary or unproven. “People” often take the form of that which is “other”, or unknown, and suddenly.. we’re not cherishing, we’re killing, shaming, excommunicating, and silencing. Like blowing up abortion clinics and cutting off womens’ clitorises.Religion is effective at pacifying people, I will give it that. It was a very effective way for the Romans to keep the population as law abiding as possible, the only problem is that it has been twisted by evangelical reactions to social upheaval like World War I, the Great Depression and the Hippy Movement. Christian conservatism is no longer a purely religious cultural expression, it has absorbed and adopted a number of characteristics from other cultural ideas and now its no longer the same force for cohesion that it once was. It works better in culturally homogeneous populations – like Ireland, Israel or Saudi Arabia. It doesn’t work as well here.
Guns, Germs and Steel deals with this a little bit although it has more to do with the historical development of successful industrial, colonizing cultures rather than comparing side by side two contemporary cultures. Natural resource abundance vs resource scarcity is probably a strong factor. Cultural homogeneity is probably a factor.
Until you try performing it on Africans, apparently:
Crime rates among poor first-generation immigrants in NYC are low across a range of ethnicities – including African:So your claim still doesn’t hold up, because in fact African Americans are “less African” than first generation African immigrants, so if there’s any consistency to your claim, full blood Africans should exhibit even stronger violent tendencies.
The one pattern I tend to notice is all 3rd world holes are usually nice and warm. You don’t have to organize as much to survive. In most of central and south America you can live in the jungle off year round fruits and veggies. If you are in Iceland you need a sustainable multi-year plan and supporting community to pull it off. That alone could account for the huge cultural differences.
Since there’s never been systematic IQ testing of the entire African American population, I know you’re completely making that up. You can’t claim that blacks commit more crimes when you control for IQ WHEN NOBODY HAS TESTED BLACKS WHO COMMIT CRIMES FOR IQ. This is a completely fabricated white supremacist claim. This data does not exist.
Blacks the US commit most crime”.Wrong. Bureau of Justice statistics:Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1000) : Poor urban whites (56.4 per 1000). So the common denominator is poverty, not race.There are VIRTUALLY NO BLACKS in Japan, those in Canada are French Caribbean descended emigres. Canada’s most dangerous place is North Battleford, Saskatchewan with a whopping African descended population of…. 1.1%. It’s 75% European and 17% First Nations. Anyone who lives in Canada knows that crime is concentrated around the poorest and least educated First Nations communities with the highest rates of alcoholism and suicide. Once again – cultural.You’re making this up as you go. You would never be able to show data that actually proves that the indigenous-descended people of S. America are more violence prone than the European-descended. In fact, I can probably prove the opposite – look at crime in rural Chiapas, Mexico and compare to crime in urban Mexico City. Mexico City is HEAVILY European-descended spanish, while Chiapias is heavily indigenous. Go check out the rates, tell me what you find.So why are the most violent parts of Brazil the big cities where there are the most Portuguese and Spanish-descended peoples and the rural parts where there’s more indigenous descended have lower violent crime? Data is radically in opposition to your claims.
Generic reasons given do not apply to all countries.Brazil is not a drug supplier. Mostly it is a consumer. Brazils population growth rate is only 0.75%. Numbers of elders had already increased quite a lot.
Post something else instead and it goes away So lets say I wanted to post “I hate dogs” but the post fails and you get the error “looks the same as one posted before”Make a post that says something else like “global warming is a lie” and then it will allow you to post “I hate dogs” afterThe site is most likely ruing a browser script that prevents you from sending the same message twice, and everything is client side
The US also has many blacks and Hispanics compared to other first world countriesWhen you break up crime by demographic groups, the bulk of the crime in the US is committed by blacks and Hispanics Blacks are around 20% of the US but responsible for over 50% of the murders Something like 90% of all prisoners are black or Hispanic despite the US being 65% whites and Asians
Color of crime, murray
>”Self-control” is not genetic,You are aware of the marshmallow experiment? The same pattern of Hispanics, blacks, whites, Asians appear despite the kids taking it being too young to be involved with thug culture the experiment consists of offering the child a choice a single marshmallow now or more in the future the percentage of each races results on the marshmallow test, mirrors the real life outcomes of these races in both crime and education —————————————-Nobody is arguing that governments don’t reduce violence
You are aware that Asians have the highest poverty rate in NYC yet they have the highest test scores NYC’s best public high schools that you need to test into, the 3 specialized high schools Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Tech and Bronx Science are all 60%-70% Asianseriously google Asian poverty rate NYC
>Not true for richer groups nor rural onesBlacks in the 90th percentile of income had homicide rates of 10 per 100,000 Blacks in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of 117 per 100,000 Whites in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of .4 per 100,000 Whites in the 20th percentile of income had homicide rates of 3.5 per 100,000 Whites in the 90th percentile of income had homicide rates of 2.9 per 100,000 And even when you control for education blacks still commit more crimes, and even when you control for IQ the black crime rate is still higherAnd this trend extends to every country that has blacks like Canada, Japan etc.. Same with Hispanics, when Hispanics come to the US they still have high crime rates. In fact something like 90% of all prisoners in the US are black or Hispanic despite whites and Asians making up like 65% of the country
They tried this already with section 8 by closing down the projects and using tax dollars to house former section 8 families in the wealthiest neighborhoods so their kids could attend the wealthiest schools. The end results were predictable
>They kill each other with the same probability as their rich white neighbors. Wrong, Rich blacks kill at a higher rate than poor whites Rich blacks have a lower murder rate than poor blacks, but it is still higher than poor whites. There are plenty of poor whites in West Virginia, yet west Virginia has some of the lowest murder ratesgoogle”Racial differences in homicide are poorly explained by economics”There is a chart that compared the homicide rates of blacks and whites versus family income percentileBlacks in the 90th percentile of income had homicide rates of 10 per 100,000Blacks in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of 117 per 100,000Whites in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of .4 per 100,000Whites in the 20th percentile of income had homicide rates of 3.5 per 100,000——————–>Apex predators run from game all the time Missing the point, 99% of the time they will respond with aggression while prey animals 99% of the time will respond by fleeing Tigers in particular will only run from other tigers, or from animals in groups no surprise a tiger who is afraid will have a massive disadvantage in the game of natural selection ———————>California has a crime and violence rate a tiny tiny fraction of that of Bolivia, Columbia, and Brazil California is 50% white and Asian plus you have numerous silicon valley guys with phds messing up the average When you look at a California crime map you see a hotspot in Oakland where the blacks live and the rest of the crime is in the heavily Hispanic areas of California the southern parts. In fact the crime rates almost perfectly correlate with how Hispanic a area is —————————–>Otherwise you have to try and haphazardly cobble together this racial scientific framework that somehow categorizes violent tendencies by race in a kind of “retrograde orbits” type of pseudoscienceI didn’t create this, this trend of black crime has been observed for decades upon decades and many people have noticed that poverty does not explain black crime rates Oh and by the way, Asians have the highest poverty rate in NYC yet they commit crimes at the same rate as whites who have the lowest
>the far bigger influence is culture.You realize that culture and genetics are linked hand in hand A group of people with higher genes for violence, will create a society and culture that is more violentYou do realize the same crime patterns show up everywhere Blacks the US commit the most crime The same with Canada and Japan despite the blacks in these countries being radically different culturally >doesn’t really make sense for Hispanics either their origin countries in europe (portugal and spain) are very civilized. Makes perfect sense if you look at raceThe people living in south America have higher crime rates than Portugal and spain because they are not white. Genetically they are part Aztec/maya/inca and part European If the Aztec/maya/inca had a much higher genetic propensity for violence, a half mix with a European would have the higher propensity for violence than a pure euro In fact the whitest countries with the highest percentages of white admixture Chile and Argentina are the safest while the darker countries like Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico are the most violent Another case would be Haiti and Dominican republic split, they used to be one country then split. With most of the whiter people going to DR and the darker people going to Haiti
As a swede I have never heard anything about baing statistics in Sweden.
Thats wierd, where did the link go ?Looks for Richard Wilkinson TED talk on the world wide web
I have heard the same from a former New York teacher. Eventually got tired of being disrespected every day and got out.One common cause of those cofactors is poverty, or rather; inequality. Another important factor is the school size and class size, which both have been increased to save money (I assume)So what can be done is to throw some money at it; reverse those trends.But the mood of USA does not sway that way. Case in point is the exodus of teachers from Oklahoma. So i guess it has to go where it goes.
… and enforce it with flame throwers?… … I mean, if the law is to have teeth⊕1, Old Onion.GoatGuy
Please check out my response to Eripe (above) directly. If “race” figures, it is a sociological identity-and-expectation basis. Is it unfair to say, “most black parents don’t openly encourage their kids to take the coursework that’d enable their kids to become doctors, lawyers and engineers”? EVEN if — as nature’s gift — the kids of a black family might actually have talents to successfully matriculate as a doctor, lawyer or engineer?Expectation bias, → which follows cultural narrative, → → which sociologically rests in heritage identity.________________________________________From your comment, I have a provocative thought: if Darwinian “survival of the fittest” is the fundamental and essentially critical feature of “free roaming populations”, then from observating that hunter-gatherer clades mostly are “at war with each other” leading to 1.5%/yr deaths, then it directly follows that such hunter-gatherer groups would carry peak expression of “successful-at-warring-with-neighbors” traits. The unsuccessful are killed. Those more pacific or less aggressive genes’ expression is definitely depressed, heritage wise.One of the things that so many people criticize are statistics that find race correlations to educational attainment, life success, prosperity mobility and so on, and then shuck off the statistics as invalid: “take a white baby, and raise him in a crâhppy neighborhood, in a shîtty house, with little-to-no parental positive influence, and he’ll want to cut your throat at age 14”, and “take a black child, raise them in the lap of luxury and conservatıve prudence, and he’ll not become s gang-banger crack monster”. (Paraphrased, of course)OF COURSE your point has merit. Duh…BUT if you follow the dots, then ought to cause one to then question, “well, if shîtty neighborhoods and low life-expectations are the real problem, how do we ‘fix’ that?”________________________________________Thing is, I do NOT have an answer, a philosophical path which would serve to transform the low-outcome groups to a less self-undermining way of life. I would argue that RELIGION has a lot of potential to improve the outlook, to give vision and a positive narrative to the people following it. I would offer that reflecting on conservatıve “values” is also pretty beneficial. Especially when “conservatıve” means “to conserve”. To build, to hold, to cherish, to save, to repair, to make, to learn, to encourage others, to worship, to reflect, to forgive, to help others, to learn, to find beauty of all that is. How do you instill that in cultures notably bereft of some of those ideals?I do not know.Sadly.Just saying,GoatGuy
“wrong – you can improve education.”
Not in America. Not unless you abolish Cabal Known As The Teachers Unions And Their Government Buddies.
See what I just posted here with the ending caveat that Matteo will soon spin all of this as being America’s fault.
And Jamaica is the tourist rape capital of North America, I believe:
Detroit Free Press
In a dark laundry room at a Jamaican Sandals resort, pinned to the floor by a hotel lifeguard, a Michigan teenage girl lay paralyzed with fear as the man bit her lip and raped her, violently robbing her virginity.
When her mother found her after the assault, trembling and holding herself in a hallway, the 17-year-old couldn’t speak. She could only point to a metal door.
Behind the door, her friend was being gang-raped by three resort lifeguards.
This is the Jamaica that the U.S. State Department has repeatedly warned tourists about. This is the island paradise that the government says has a pervasive sexual assault problem, the place where two Detroit women were raped in September, and an estimated one American is raped each month.
Perhaps most alarming for tourists is that sexual assaults are occurring inside gated resorts — the place they are led to believe that they are most safe. For example, this year, the Beaches Ocho Rios Resort & Golf Club, where the lifeguard assaults occurred in 2015, was given the Travelers Choice Award by TripAdvisor; it’s the travel group’s highest recognition given to the top 1 percent of hotels.
According to U.S. Embassy reports, 12 Americans were raped in Jamaica last year, half of them inside resorts by hotel employees. The U.S. government suspects this number may be higher as sexual assaults are often underreported, and the embassy figures don’t include victims from other countries.
Now, this is where Luca/Matteo spins this with something about how the women deserved this because they are American.
Yeah … IF it “takes”.I live in the SF Bay Area; for pretty ordinary reasons, I have many friends who or whose spouses are school teachers. No trend: some are lower primary, upper primary and high school level educators. Considering who, I’d say about 25 or so, across the board. Each of them has many teacher-friends, being “in the industry” to so say. Perhaps 50 or more fairly close friends and lunch-room acquaintances. So, the network of opinion of my 25 teacher-friends carries the weight of maybe 1,000 or so second level educators. Almost (98%) without exception, the anecdotal teacher-on-the-floor evidence is that “educate-ability” is related to a number of cofactors which are in plain sight. • neighborhood• ethnicity• nourishment• sleep & stability• parenting• victimhood• self-control• drugs• ability• temperment & personalityPoverty and wealth also figures into it, but rather remarkable not so when the other factors above are given consideration.You are definitely right: WHEN EDUCATION OPENS EYES, the educated see “the situation” and are not just compelled, but impelled to move from it, out of it, to someplace better. IQ of course does tick up a bit with education (but also rather surprisingly, not all that much with separated-twins studies.) In the end, as I said, the list is one of CO-factors, not independent variables. Sociology is fraught with this messiness: rarely are the distinct factors actually independent. For instance, ethnicity determines whether they saying “yo’ Mama’s going to slap you upside yo head” is factual — and acceptable ‘normal’ parenting — or slang for what ‘the other kids’ do. That’s culture. It is messy.When we’re realistic about things, people generally tend to live in neighborhoods with more familiar and less sociologically diverse members, if they can. Social culture is “self sorting” that way. Human nature. There is no mystery why neighborhoods predominated with Vietnamese immigrants exist, as well as Chinese many-generations families, as well as Hispanic neighborhoods, and so forth.But most interesting is that MOST of my teacher friends cite PARENTING, SLEEP, NOURISHMENT, TEMPERMENT and VICTIMHOOD as the most influential factors disaffecting the “problem” ier city youth in the “tough” neighborhoods where education is mostly a preposterous lıberal fiction. I chose those last 3 words carefully: when — especially in high school — the tenor of a classroom having 25–30 kids in it is so boisterous and disrespecting that even the front row of desk-bound kids can’t hear the teacher’s words, well.. that ain’t education. That isn’t even competant baby-sitting. And that reality is COMMON amongst what you or I would call “the ier city upper and high schools”. Just saying, Eripe. It has a LOT to do with the cofactors.If not everything. GoatGuy
To your point about Darwinian selection:
It has been argued that we’ve already reversed the trend that our H/G ancestors provided. Two things happen in evolution – natural selection and random walk. So for instance if you’re Scandinavian, there is a higher probability you will be lactose intolerant than someone descended from Western Europe because cattle farming arrived late in Scandinavia so there was a less strong selective advantage to the random mutation of digesting lactose in adulthood. Lactose intolerance, however, can also just appear randomly in a genetic line that DID have the lactose digestion gene at one time, so a person descended from populations who farmed in France for 8000 years, can actually be lactose intolerant, because the gene can just FLIP for no reason, 3 generations ago, or 1 generation ago. It’s just not as likely when looking at large populations of people.
Similarly, we have some more violent individuals today; however, it is likely they’re not violent because of the selective advantage of violent traits in the H/G ancestors, because social anthros also argue that grassilization was the process of humans being more docile and less hostile as communities became more integrated and violence became less advantageous over cooperation. This is by no means a settled question and the relative reproductive benefits of hostility vs. cooperativeness/docility are still hotly debated, especially in the H/G period vs. the semi settled period vs the settled period vs. the city-state period, etc etc. Long story short, it is probably the case that violent dispositions today are as much a product of random mutation as they are a product of natural selection, because another round of natural selection may have weeded out the especially violent ones.
“To conserve” also translates as to ostracize and demonize that which is “other”, to suppress newness and innovation or progression (as innovation and progression always supplants “that which we are conserving”), to encourage what is practiced and known and to suppress what is revolutionary or unproven. “People” often take the form of that which is “other”, or unknown, and suddenly.. we’re not cherishing, we’re killing, shaming, excommunicating, and silencing. Like blowing up abortion clinics and cutting off womens’ clitorises.
Religion is effective at pacifying people, I will give it that. It was a very effective way for the Romans to keep the population as law abiding as possible, the only problem is that it has been twisted by evangelical reactions to social upheaval like World War I, the Great Depression and the Hippy Movement. Christian conservatism is no longer a purely religious cultural expression, it has absorbed and adopted a number of characteristics from other cultural ideas and now its no longer the same force for cohesion that it once was. It works better in culturally homogeneous populations – like Ireland, Israel or Saudi Arabia. It doesn’t work as well here.
Guns, Germs and Steel deals with this a little bit although it has more to do with the historical development of successful industrial, colonizing cultures rather than comparing side by side two contemporary cultures. Natural resource abundance vs resource scarcity is probably a strong factor. Cultural homogeneity is probably a factor.
Until you try performing it on Africans, apparently:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/07/03/534743719/want-to-teach-your-kids-self-control-ask-a-cameroonian-farmer
Crime rates among poor first-generation immigrants in NYC are low across a range of ethnicities – including African:
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/immigration/crime-enforcement-immigrant-neighborhoods-evidence-new-york-city
So your claim still doesn’t hold up, because in fact African Americans are “less African” than first generation African immigrants, so if there’s any consistency to your claim, full blood Africans should exhibit even stronger violent tendencies.
The one pattern I tend to notice is all 3rd world holes are usually nice and warm. You don’t have to organize as much to survive. In most of central and south America you can live in the jungle off year round fruits and veggies. If you are in Iceland you need a sustainable multi-year plan and supporting community to pull it off. That alone could account for the huge cultural differences.
Since there’s never been systematic IQ testing of the entire African American population, I know you’re completely making that up. You can’t claim that blacks commit more crimes when you control for IQ WHEN NOBODY HAS TESTED BLACKS WHO COMMIT CRIMES FOR IQ. This is a completely fabricated white supremacist claim. This data does not exist.
“Blacks the US commit most crime”.
Wrong. Bureau of Justice statistics:
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1000) : Poor urban whites (56.4 per 1000). So the common denominator is poverty, not race.
There are VIRTUALLY NO BLACKS in Japan, those in Canada are French Caribbean descended emigres. Canada’s most dangerous place is North Battleford, Saskatchewan with a whopping African descended population of…. 1.1%. It’s 75% European and 17% First Nations. Anyone who lives in Canada knows that crime is concentrated around the poorest and least educated First Nations communities with the highest rates of alcoholism and suicide. Once again – cultural.
You’re making this up as you go. You would never be able to show data that actually proves that the indigenous-descended people of S. America are more violence prone than the European-descended. In fact, I can probably prove the opposite – look at crime in rural Chiapas, Mexico and compare to crime in urban Mexico City. Mexico City is HEAVILY European-descended spanish, while Chiapias is heavily indigenous. Go check out the rates, tell me what you find.
So why are the most violent parts of Brazil the big cities where there are the most Portuguese and Spanish-descended peoples and the rural parts where there’s more indigenous descended have lower violent crime?
Data is radically in opposition to your claims.
Post something else instead and it goes away
So lets say I wanted to post “I hate dogs” but the post fails and you get the error “looks the same as one posted before”
Make a post that says something else like “global warming is a lie” and then it will allow you to post “I hate dogs” after
The site is most likely running a browser script that prevents you from sending the same message twice, and everything is client side
The US also has many blacks and Hispanics compared to other first world countries
When you break up crime by demographic groups, the bulk of the crime in the US is committed by blacks and Hispanics
Blacks are around 20% of the US but responsible for over 50%+ of the murders
Something like 90%+ of all prisoners are black or Hispanic despite the US being 65% whites and Asians
Color of crime, murray
>”Self-control” is not genetic,
You are aware of the marshmallow experiment?
The same pattern of Hispanics, blacks, whites, Asians appear despite the kids taking it being too young to be involved with thug culture
the experiment consists of offering the child a choice a single marshmallow now or more in the future
the percentage of each races results on the marshmallow test, mirrors the real life outcomes of these races in both crime and education
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Nobody is arguing that governments don’t reduce violence
You are aware that Asians have the highest poverty rate in NYC yet they have the highest test scores
NYC’s best public high schools that you need to test into, the 3 specialized high schools Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Tech and Bronx Science are all 60%-70%+ Asian
seriously google Asian poverty rate NYC
My above comment was tongue in cheek sarcasm, if it had been a bunch of middle Eastern countries at the top of the murder rate list everyone would be pointing at religion as the root cause.
>Not true for richer groups nor rural ones
Blacks in the 90th percentile of income had homicide rates of 10 per 100,000
Blacks in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of 117 per 100,000
Whites in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of .4 per 100,000
Whites in the 20th percentile of income had homicide rates of 3.5 per 100,000
Whites in the 90th percentile of income had homicide rates of 2.9 per 100,000
And even when you control for education blacks still commit more crimes, and even when you control for IQ the black crime rate is still higher
And this trend extends to every country that has blacks like Canada, Japan etc..
Same with Hispanics, when Hispanics come to the US they still have high crime rates. In fact something like 90%+ of all prisoners in the US are black or Hispanic despite whites and Asians making up like 65% of the country
They tried this already with section 8 by closing down the projects and using tax dollars to house former section 8 families in the wealthiest neighborhoods so their kids could attend the wealthiest schools.
The end results were predictable
>They kill each other with the same probability as their rich white neighbors.
Wrong, Rich blacks kill at a higher rate than poor whites
Rich blacks have a lower murder rate than poor blacks, but it is still higher than poor whites. There are plenty of poor whites in West Virginia, yet west Virginia has some of the lowest murder rates
google
“Racial differences in homicide are poorly explained by economics”
There is a chart that compared the homicide rates of blacks and whites versus family income percentile
Blacks in the 90th percentile of income had homicide rates of 10 per 100,000
Blacks in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of 117 per 100,000
Whites in the 10th percentile of income had homicide rates of .4 per 100,000
Whites in the 20th percentile of income had homicide rates of 3.5 per 100,000
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>Apex predators run from game all the time
Missing the point, 99% of the time they will respond with aggression while prey animals 99% of the time will respond by fleeing
Tigers in particular will only run from other tigers, or from animals in groups no surprise a tiger who is afraid will have a massive disadvantage in the game of natural selection
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>California has a crime and violence rate a tiny tiny fraction of that of Bolivia, Columbia, and Brazil
California is 50%+ white and Asian plus you have numerous silicon valley guys with phds messing up the average
When you look at a California crime map you see a hotspot in Oakland where the blacks live and the rest of the crime is in the heavily Hispanic areas of California the southern parts. In fact the crime rates almost perfectly correlate with how Hispanic a area is
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>Otherwise you have to try and haphazardly cobble together this racial scientific framework that somehow categorizes violent tendencies by race in a kind of “retrograde orbits” type of pseudoscience
I didn’t create this, this trend of black crime has been observed for decades upon decades and many people have noticed that poverty does not explain black crime rates
Oh and by the way, Asians have the highest poverty rate in NYC yet they commit crimes at the same rate as whites who have the lowest
>the far bigger influence is culture.
You realize that culture and genetics are linked hand in hand
A group of people with higher genes for violence, will create a society and culture that is more violent
You do realize the same crime patterns show up everywhere
Blacks the US commit the most crime
The same with Canada and Japan despite the blacks in these countries being radically different culturally
>doesn’t really make sense for Hispanics either their origin countries in europe (portugal and spain) are very civilized.
Makes perfect sense if you look at race
The people living in south America have higher crime rates than Portugal and spain because they are not white.
Genetically they are part Aztec/maya/inca and part European
If the Aztec/maya/inca had a much higher genetic propensity for violence, a half mix with a European would have the higher propensity for violence than a pure euro
In fact the whitest countries with the highest percentages of white admixture Chile and Argentina are the safest while the darker countries like Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico are the most violent
Another case would be Haiti and Dominican republic split, they used to be one country then split. With most of the whiter people going to DR and the darker people going to Haiti
As a swede I have never heard anything about banning statistics in Sweden.
Thats wierd, where did the link go ?
Looks for Richard Wilkinson TED talk on the world wide web
I have heard the same from a former New York teacher. Eventually got tired of being disrespected every day and got out.
One common cause of those cofactors is poverty, or rather; inequality.
Another important factor is the school size and class size, which both have been increased to save money (I assume)
So what can be done is to throw some money at it; reverse those trends.
But the mood of USA does not sway that way. Case in point is the exodus of teachers from Oklahoma. So i guess it has to go where it goes.
… and enforce it with flame throwers?
… … I mean, if the law is to have teeth
⊕1, Old Onion.
GoatGuy
Please check out my response to Eripe (above) directly.
If “race” figures, it is a sociological identity-and-expectation basis. Is it unfair to say, “most black parents don’t openly encourage their kids to take the coursework that’d enable their kids to become doctors, lawyers and engineers”? EVEN if — as nature’s gift — the kids of a black family might actually have talents to successfully matriculate as a doctor, lawyer or engineer?
Expectation bias,
→ which follows cultural narrative,
→ → which sociologically rests in heritage identity.
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From your comment, I have a provocative thought: if Darwinian “survival of the fittest” is the fundamental and essentially critical feature of “free roaming populations”, then from observating that hunter-gatherer clades mostly are “at war with each other” leading to 1.5%/yr deaths, then it directly follows that such hunter-gatherer groups would carry peak expression of “successful-at-warring-with-neighbors” traits. The unsuccessful are killed. Those more pacific or less aggressive genes’ expression is definitely depressed, heritage wise.
One of the things that so many people criticize are statistics that find race correlations to educational attainment, life success, prosperity mobility and so on, and then shuck off the statistics as invalid: “take a white baby, and raise him in a crâhppy neighborhood, in a shîtty house, with little-to-no parental positive influence, and he’ll want to cut your throat at age 14”, and “take a black child, raise them in the lap of luxury and conservatıve prudence, and he’ll not become s gang-banger crack monster”. (Paraphrased, of course)
OF COURSE your point has merit.
Duh…
BUT if you follow the dots, then ought to cause one to then question, “well, if shîtty neighborhoods and low life-expectations are the real problem, how do we ‘fix’ that?”
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Thing is, I do NOT have an answer, a philosophical path which would serve to transform the low-outcome groups to a less self-undermining way of life. I would argue that RELIGION has a lot of potential to improve the outlook, to give vision and a positive narrative to the people following it. I would offer that reflecting on conservatıve “values” is also pretty beneficial.
Especially when “conservatıve” means “to conserve”. To build, to hold, to cherish, to save, to repair, to make, to learn, to encourage others, to worship, to reflect, to forgive, to help others, to learn, to find beauty of all that is.
How do you instill that in cultures notably bereft of some of those ideals?
I do not know.
Sadly.
Just saying,
GoatGuy
I am not Catholic nor married to one.nut I can unequivocally sat that is one of the dumbest statements I ever heard.
Yeah … IF it “takes”.
I live in the SF Bay Area; for pretty ordinary reasons, I have many friends who or whose spouses are school teachers. No trend: some are lower primary, upper primary and high school level educators. Considering who, I’d say about 25 or so, across the board.
Each of them has many teacher-friends, being “in the industry” to so say. Perhaps 50 or more fairly close friends and lunch-room acquaintances. So, the network of opinion of my 25 teacher-friends carries the weight of maybe 1,000 or so second level educators.
Almost (98%) without exception, the anecdotal teacher-on-the-floor evidence is that “educate-ability” is related to a number of cofactors which are in plain sight.
• neighborhood
• ethnicity
• nourishment
• sleep & stability
• parenting
• victimhood
• self-control
• drugs
• ability
• temperment & personality
Poverty and wealth also figures into it, but rather remarkable not so when the other factors above are given consideration.
You are definitely right: WHEN EDUCATION OPENS EYES, the educated see “the situation” and are not just compelled, but impelled to move from it, out of it, to someplace better.
IQ of course does tick up a bit with education (but also rather surprisingly, not all that much with separated-twins studies.) In the end, as I said, the list is one of CO-factors, not independent variables. Sociology is fraught with this messiness: rarely are the distinct factors actually independent.
For instance, ethnicity determines whether they saying “yo’ Mama’s going to slap you upside yo head” is factual — and acceptable ‘normal’ parenting — or slang for what ‘the other kids’ do. That’s culture. It is messy.
When we’re realistic about things, people generally tend to live in neighborhoods with more familiar and less sociologically diverse members, if they can. Social culture is “self sorting” that way. Human nature. There is no mystery why neighborhoods predominated with Vietnamese immigrants exist, as well as Chinese many-generations families, as well as Hispanic neighborhoods, and so forth.
But most interesting is that MOST of my teacher friends cite PARENTING, SLEEP, NOURISHMENT, TEMPERMENT and VICTIMHOOD as the most influential factors disaffecting the “problem” inner city youth in the “tough” neighborhoods where education is mostly a preposterous lıberal fiction.
I chose those last 3 words carefully: when — especially in high school — the tenor of a classroom having 25–30 kids in it is so boisterous and disrespecting that even the front row of desk-bound kids can’t hear the teacher’s words, well.. that ain’t education. That isn’t even competant baby-sitting. And that reality is COMMON amongst what you or I would call “the inner city upper and high schools”.
Just saying, Eripe.
It has a LOT to do with the cofactors.
If not everything.
GoatGuy
What causes one group to form effective government while another does not?
While I wouldn’t discount genetic effects entirely (some ethnicities have higher testosterone levels, for instance), the far bigger influence is culture. I invite you to watch Robert Sapolsky’s lectures on youtube on human behavioral biology, there are 4 videos on aggression and it’s root causes.Putting the blame on biology doesn’t really make sense for Hispanics either : their origin countries in europe (portugal and spain) are very civilized.
What causes the corruption?
I came here expecting comments explaining why this was all the USA’s fault, if not Trump personally.Am pleasantly surprised.
Blacks outside the jurisdictions with highest crime do not have high crime rates, and whites inside the jurisdictions with high crime, have high crime.”Simple solution. Pass a law against living in areas with high rates of crime.
Alternatively just ban collecting statistics. It works for Sweden!
But drugs are baed in the other first world countries too. Indeed the USA has legalised many drugs that are baed elsewhere.So you can’t point to the laws against drugs as why the USA has a higher rate.
error message while posting, and then I can’t post again because the re-sent message “looks the same as one posted before” “A number of us have had that problem. The solution seems to be to add a bunch of nonsense to the end of your post before trying again so the computer thinks it is something different. Latin seems to be a favourite. Either just “lorem ipsum” babble or (my favourite) google translate your entire comment and add that.Then the issue mysteriously goes away and is transferred to someone else.
Austria, Germany, France, Spain, Italy… they are all on the graph with the LOWEST homicide rates.
The bad news is that there’s almost nothing that can “be done” about the factors. “wrong – you can improve education.Education both raises IQ, and opens your eyes to leaving a bad neighborhood.
This data shows a correlation between income inequality and crime
My above comment was tongue in cheek sarcasm, if it had been a bunch of middle Eastern countries at the top of the murder rate list everyone would be pointing at religion as the root cause.
You have one major point, Black ghettos in the US tend to be crime hotspots, I assume this it true for other poor urban groups. Not true for richer groups nor rural ones. So urban poor white is far more likely to kill each other than middle class blacks. However US has a lot of urban poor blacks, its areas you don’t want to stop. Far more than it is in Europe, in both US and Europe its police no go zones. No police will go there if serious crime but no reason to patrol as nobody will talk to them. If the police has to go in the gangs will run after throwing stones. For Latin america, its an corruption problem, little corruption its an easy military problem if police is unable to handle it. If I was them I would go for an fully traceable digital currency as the only legal one and allowed privateers to hunt. Government take 60-70%, of target fortune, the privateers take the rest. Yes its very likely that this would pass 🙂
I can’t figure out if that was an attempt at an extremely polite defense of scientific racism or not.”Self-control” is not genetic, it’s cultural, and somewhat neurological based on environmental exposure. You give me a white Aryan baby and I’ll expose him to so much lead and trauma in childhood, he’ll want to cut your throat by age 14. Show me a black as midnight African refugee, and raise him in a million dollar household with every social advantage and opportunity, and you will not get a tribal crackhead gang member. That fact is born out by the fact that social stratification is the far more predictive metric for criminality than race. You don’t find rich blacks doing drivebys, and you don’t find poor, uneducated whites exclusively avoiding violence, drugs and criminality. “Race” is not a “statistically co-related factor” of criminality. Criminality has never been shown to have genetic origins whatsoever.There’s an anthropological argument to be made that States lowered violence. Nick Wade talks about it in “Before the Dawn” and Yuval Harari really goes nuts on it in “Sapiens”. Prior to the advent of ‘The State’, archaeological evidence shows us that interpersonal violence was substantially more common, and a substantially more common cause of death. Wade found that typical H/G societies that survived into the modern era of the early 20th century and late 19th century that were studied by naturalists saw 50-70% of adult deaths resultant from violence. The archaeological record from 30-70,000 years ago indicated roughly 50%. There’s enough data to show that 50kya, 50% of H/G bands were at war with neighboring bands year round and 80% were at war at least every year. The typical tribe lost 1.5% of its population per year to warfare, which is roughly 9 times the aual casualty rate the United States saw at the height of WW2. As soon as states emerged, violence no longer perpetuated generation after generation, blood feud after blood feud, and violence became monopolized – force became monopolized. A brawl in the streets leaving a cousin dead led to 1 man being imprisoned, or having his hand cut off, instead of a retaliatory murder, followed by 2 more retaliatory murders, followed by a clan war, etc etc. The collectivization of force coincided with markedly dropping interpersonal rates of violent death, to the point that today even the most violent countries like Guatemala only see about 10% of their adult deaths due to violent ends, 1/5 of typical H/Gs, and the global average is 2%. So yes, there absolutely is evidence that violence is the result of insufficient government defense of law and order.This argument is unpopular with libertarians because they don’t read any psychology, archaeology or any political science written before 1880 or after 1970.
utter bull.
In Mexico, the money mostly goes into the pockets of crooked politicians, of which most of them are. The governor of Veracruz was recently extradited from Guatemala to stand trial after stealing over USD $3 billion, yes, that’s with a “B”. He will likely walk or get a slap on the wrist.
No much of them over there I am afraid, and even the ones you’ve met thinking they are of a higher caliber disappoints you, these people just aren’t that smart or motivated…
Sure is, but the results are pretty much the same, and no one really has the time or the inclination to know which is the contributing factor.
Aren’t you just piing the tail on the other end of the donkey?“The stronger correlation … is that ailed governments result in unchecked criminal enterprise and (associated) violence”It doesn’t take much genius to figure out that that means “violence is a result of insufficient government defense of law and order”. I look back on my ancestors, living in not-very-big midwestern towns, where “The Sheriff” position was at best part time. Most sheriffs normally managed the other affairs of government, too. Oh, there’d be a “lot of business” on Saturday nights, for sure. Boys’ll be Boys. But the actual statistical factors that seem to underlie causation are not as simple as “broken government” or “dark skins” — from either competing view. The most significant STUDIED and vetted differences first relate to intelligence quotient, all else normalized to “equal”. The second influence is — just as you surmise — crime ridden neighborhoods that are not addressed by law enforcement … tend to breed more lawlessness. Especially when essentially unchecked. The third though is education. The undereducated — IQ for IQ being equal — definitely find higher propensity to acts of criminality. The fourth (or some say, second) factor is being male, and being young. The factors are not independent either. That’s the good news. The bad news is that there’s almost nothing that can “be done” about the factors. Not pragmatically, in a society that rejects corporal punishment, that rejects top-down authoritarian class room order, and so on. And especially that rejects any hint of propensity-to-fail based on the statistically co-related factors of race, intelligence and self-control. That’s the real elephant in the living room. Its an ugly elephant. Madder’n hêll, too. Meanwhile, different countries take different measures to ameliorate the stigma of being male, young, and not very bright, having grown up in ‘tough neighborhoods’, where learning to fight PREceded learning to read. Just saying,GoatGuy
I am not Catholic nor married to one.nut I can unequivocally sat that is one of the dumbest statements I ever heard.
The explosion in drug trafficking also coincides with the failure of their governments. I’m not saying you’re wrong about drug trade = more murders, but it’s hard to say it’s the only reason when they all also have failed states.
Yes I agree with you and I to feel sorry for the murders, that’s why I said “let them all in.
The US national average is not a meaningful statistic to anything. Why would you take the average between Detroit and Broken Bow, Oklahoma and act like that average is somehow meaningful to someone living in Coral Gables? When you look at averages, you’re fooled into placing the United States on some kind of number line, as if it belongs there, when it doesn’t. Instead of thinking of the US as a place where roughly 9 in 100k are murdered, you could think of New Orleans as a place where roughly 10 out of 100k are murdered, and Bumblebrech, Nebrahoma as a place where .3 per 100k are murdered. Then you don’t have this aggregate average that doesn’t mean anything to anyone.
An intelligent person knows there is a world of difference between intelligence and education.
Blacks outside the jurisdictions with highest crime do not have high crime rates, and whites inside the jurisdictions with high crime, have high crime. This breaks your race claim. Social geography that breaks racial lines is the more statistically accurate determinant of crime and violence than race is. If it weren’t, affluent blacks in NY and LA would be killing each other – and they aren’t. They kill each other with the same probability as their rich white neighbors.Apex predators run from game all the time – the wildebeast and african water buffalo are good examples. Your information is incomplete.The Latin American example is also broken. California has a crime and violence rate a tiny tiny fraction of that of Bolivia, Columbia, and Brazil – while having more hispanics and latinos than any of them besides Brazil. The stronger correlation as evidenced by countries across ethnic lines like Burma, Niger, Syria, Somalia, and some specific city centers in the United States – is that failed governments result in unchecked criminal enterprise and violence. The more common element is failed states, not race. Otherwise you have to try and haphazardly cobble together this racial scientific framework that somehow categorizes violent tendencies by race in a kind of “retrograde orbits” type of pseudoscience instead of just going with what obviously fits the data better – poverty and failed states. Almost as if you want it to be race, so you’ll accept this nonsensically complex hierarchy of races just to make it fit…
And legalizing murder would reduce ALL of it.
You need sources to backup some of this stuff -_-
A lot of correlations do not equal causation in this post, it keeps repeatedly trying to link poor economics with violence while ignoring the elephant in the room (race)Singapore’s lowered murder rates were caused because the population of Singapore changed from majority Malayasian to majority Chinese, this change happened when mass anti Chinese riots erupted across Malayasia causing Chinese malayasians to flee to Singapore followed by Singapore’s expulsion from Malayasia China even in the past had very low murder rates, Europeans visiting in the 1800’s remarked that they saw little violence and lawlessness despite the Chinese living in great poverty compared to Industrial Europe Chile’s low murder rates comes from its white European majority. Chile is one of the whitest country in south America In fact the highest correlation to crime is not poverty but rather race, in the US wealthy blacks have higher homicide rates than poor whitesThis is most likely because the genes for violence are genetic in origin, and thus different groups of people evolved to have different amounts, IQ most likely also plays a role. This can be seen in animals, Apex predators like Tigers and Lions will seek to resolve conflict thru violence and aggression while rabbits and chipmunks will run. When coming upon a unknown animal a Tiger will always seek aggression even if the unknown animal is larger like a Rhino or Elephant , a rabbit on the other hand will flee from a mouse
The U.S.A. murder rate while at historically low levels is much too high when compared to other first world countries. Many of the murders are tied to the drug business. Legalizing drugs would reduce some of it.
They stay where they can bribe the cops. They stay were they can wield power. If they come here they end up in a Supermax and that would suck. Most Mexican criminals in the USA were born here just like most Italian criminals. Lack of opportunities and being treated as second class citizens discoects them from society
It all depends on who you meet. Try mixing with higher status people. If you are highly educated and highly motivated most people no matter where you go will seem stupid and lazy even here in the USA.
Most of these murders are because of drugs. Legalize drugs and put it under control. Remove the financial incentive to traffic in drugs and most of these murders will just go away. Some people think that these murders are cultural. They are not. Most of these countries had much lower murder rates before the explosion in drug trafficking.
Yes, its actually very good for populists/socialists to have uneducated masses and to discourage education. They will use that money for some populist money giving agenda.
In the interest of objectivity and fairness: – Have you compared Latin America to other predominantly Catholic nations to see if your assessment is consistent? – What, exactly, do you hypothesize Catholicism promotes that leads to this?
What causes one group to form effective government while another does not?
While I wouldn’t discount genetic effects entirely (some ethnicities have higher testosterone levels, for instance), the far bigger influence is culture. I invite you to watch Robert Sapolsky’s lectures on youtube on human behavioral biology, there are 4 videos on aggression and it’s root causes.
Putting the blame on biology doesn’t really make sense for Hispanics either : their origin countries in europe (portugal and spain) are very civilized.
What causes the corruption?
I’m having problems with the comment board, in particular an error message while posting, and then I can’t post again because the re-sent message “looks the same as one posted before” (which wasn’t).
Worked in Mexico for over three years, it’s really hard not to be a racist after that. The people there really felt less intelligent and lazier, and the government is known for discouraging education. Apparently they think it’s easier to govern/lie to the masses if they’re not as educated.
It’s all the Catholics they have down there.
I came here expecting comments explaining why this was all the USA’s fault, if not Trump personally.
Am pleasantly surprised.
“Blacks outside the jurisdictions with highest crime do not have high crime rates, and whites inside the jurisdictions with high crime, have high crime.”
Simple solution. Pass a law against living in areas with high rates of crime.
Alternatively just ban collecting statistics. It works for Sweden!
But drugs are banned in the other first world countries too. Indeed the USA has legalised many drugs that are banned elsewhere.
So you can’t point to the laws against drugs as why the USA has a higher rate.
“error message while posting, and then I can’t post again because the re-sent message “looks the same as one posted before” ”
A number of us have had that problem. The solution seems to be to add a bunch of nonsense to the end of your post before trying again so the computer thinks it is something different. Latin seems to be a favourite. Either just “lorem ipsum” babble or (my favourite) google translate your entire comment and add that.
Then the issue mysteriously goes away and is transferred to someone else.
Austria, Germany, France, Spain, Italy… they are all on the graph with the LOWEST homicide rates.
“The bad news is that there’s almost nothing that can “be done” about the factors. ”
wrong – you can improve education.
Education both raises IQ, and opens your eyes to leaving a bad neighborhood.
This data shows a correlation between income inequality and crime
https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson#t-995185
Think how much more those criminals could make if they all moved to America! The criminals are not so dumb that they don’t know that to. Personally I think if those poor criminals have kids and families we should let them in no matter how violent they are.
You have one major point, Black ghettos in the US tend to be crime hotspots, I assume this it true for other poor urban groups. Not true for richer groups nor rural ones.
So urban poor white is far more likely to kill each other than middle class blacks.
However US has a lot of urban poor blacks, its areas you don’t want to stop.
Far more than it is in Europe, in both US and Europe its police no go zones. No police will go there if serious crime but no reason to patrol as nobody will talk to them.
If the police has to go in the gangs will run after throwing stones.
For Latin america, its an corruption problem, little corruption its an easy military problem if police is unable to handle it.
If I was them I would go for an fully traceable digital currency as the only legal one and allowed privateers to hunt. Government take 60-70%, of target fortune, the privateers take the rest.
Yes its very likely that this would pass 🙂
I can’t figure out if that was an attempt at an extremely polite defense of scientific racism or not.
“Self-control” is not genetic, it’s cultural, and somewhat neurological based on environmental exposure. You give me a white Aryan baby and I’ll expose him to so much lead and trauma in childhood, he’ll want to cut your throat by age 14. Show me a black as midnight African refugee, and raise him in a million dollar household with every social advantage and opportunity, and you will not get a tribal crackhead gang member. That fact is born out by the fact that social stratification is the far more predictive metric for criminality than race. You don’t find rich blacks doing drivebys, and you don’t find poor, uneducated whites exclusively avoiding violence, drugs and criminality. “Race” is not a “statistically co-related factor” of criminality. Criminality has never been shown to have genetic origins whatsoever.
There’s an anthropological argument to be made that States lowered violence. Nick Wade talks about it in “Before the Dawn” and Yuval Harari really goes nuts on it in “Sapiens”. Prior to the advent of ‘The State’, archaeological evidence shows us that interpersonal violence was substantially more common, and a substantially more common cause of death. Wade found that typical H/G societies that survived into the modern era of the early 20th century and late 19th century that were studied by naturalists saw 50-70% of adult deaths resultant from violence. The archaeological record from 30-70,000 years ago indicated roughly 50%. There’s enough data to show that 50kya, 50% of H/G bands were at war with neighboring bands year round and 80% were at war at least every year. The typical tribe lost 1.5% of its population per year to warfare, which is roughly 9 times the annual casualty rate the United States saw at the height of WW2. As soon as states emerged, violence no longer perpetuated generation after generation, blood feud after blood feud, and violence became monopolized – force became monopolized. A brawl in the streets leaving a cousin dead led to 1 man being imprisoned, or having his hand cut off, instead of a retaliatory murder, followed by 2 more retaliatory murders, followed by a clan war, etc etc. The collectivization of force coincided with markedly dropping interpersonal rates of violent death, to the point that today even the most violent countries like Guatemala only see about 10% of their adult deaths due to violent ends, 1/5 of typical H/Gs, and the global average is 2%.
So yes, there absolutely is evidence that violence is the result of insufficient government defense of law and order.
This argument is unpopular with libertarians because they don’t read any psychology, archaeology or any political science written before 1880 or after 1970.
utter bull.
In Mexico, the money mostly goes into the pockets of crooked politicians, of which most of them are. The governor of Veracruz was recently extradited from Guatemala to stand trial after stealing over USD $3 billion, yes, that’s with a “B”. He will likely walk or get a slap on the wrist.
No much of them over there I am afraid, and even the ones you’ve met thinking they are of a higher caliber disappoints you, these people just aren’t that smart or motivated…
Sure is, but the results are pretty much the same, and no one really has the time or the inclination to know which is the contributing factor.
Aren’t you just pinning the tail on the other end of the donkey?
“The stronger correlation … is that ailed governments result in unchecked criminal enterprise and (associated) violence”
It doesn’t take much genius to figure out that that means “violence is a result of insufficient government defense of law and order”.
I look back on my ancestors, living in not-very-big midwestern towns, where “The Sheriff” position was at best part time. Most sheriffs normally managed the other affairs of government, too. Oh, there’d be a “lot of business” on Saturday nights, for sure. Boys’ll be Boys.
But the actual statistical factors that seem to underlie causation are not as simple as “broken government” or “dark skins” — from either competing view.
The most significant STUDIED and vetted differences first relate to intelligence quotient, all else normalized to “equal”. The second influence is — just as you surmise — crime ridden neighborhoods that are not addressed by law enforcement … tend to breed more lawlessness. Especially when essentially unchecked. The third though is education. The undereducated — IQ for IQ being equal — definitely find higher propensity to acts of criminality. The fourth (or some say, second) factor is being male, and being young.
The factors are not independent either. That’s the good news.
The bad news is that there’s almost nothing that can “be done” about the factors.
Not pragmatically, in a society that rejects corporal punishment, that rejects top-down authoritarian class room order, and so on. And especially that rejects any hint of propensity-to-fail based on the statistically co-related factors of race, intelligence and self-control.
That’s the real elephant in the living room.
Its an ugly elephant.
Madder’n hêll, too.
Meanwhile, different countries take different measures to ameliorate the stigma of being male, young, and not very bright, having grown up in ‘tough neighborhoods’, where learning to fight PREceded learning to read.
Just saying,
GoatGuy
The explosion in drug trafficking also coincides with the failure of their governments. I’m not saying you’re wrong about drug trade = more murders, but it’s hard to say it’s the only reason when they all also have failed states.
Yes I agree with you and I to feel sorry for the murders, that’s why I said “let them all in.”
The US national average is not a meaningful statistic to anything. Why would you take the average between Detroit and Broken Bow, Oklahoma and act like that average is somehow meaningful to someone living in Coral Gables? When you look at averages, you’re fooled into placing the United States on some kind of number line, as if it belongs there, when it doesn’t. Instead of thinking of the US as a place where roughly 9 in 100k are murdered, you could think of New Orleans as a place where roughly 10 out of 100k are murdered, and Bumblebrech, Nebrahoma as a place where .3 per 100k are murdered. Then you don’t have this aggregate average that doesn’t mean anything to anyone.
An intelligent person knows there is a world of difference between intelligence and education.
Blacks outside the jurisdictions with highest crime do not have high crime rates, and whites inside the jurisdictions with high crime, have high crime. This breaks your race claim. Social geography that breaks racial lines is the more statistically accurate determinant of crime and violence than race is. If it weren’t, affluent blacks in NY and LA would be killing each other – and they aren’t. They kill each other with the same probability as their rich white neighbors.
Apex predators run from game all the time – the wildebeast and african water buffalo are good examples. Your information is incomplete.
The Latin American example is also broken. California has a crime and violence rate a tiny tiny fraction of that of Bolivia, Columbia, and Brazil – while having more hispanics and latinos than any of them besides Brazil. The stronger correlation as evidenced by countries across ethnic lines like Burma, Niger, Syria, Somalia, and some specific city centers in the United States – is that failed governments result in unchecked criminal enterprise and violence. The more common element is failed states, not race.
Otherwise you have to try and haphazardly cobble together this racial scientific framework that somehow categorizes violent tendencies by race in a kind of “retrograde orbits” type of pseudoscience instead of just going with what obviously fits the data better – poverty and failed states. Almost as if you want it to be race, so you’ll accept this nonsensically complex hierarchy of races just to make it fit…
And legalizing murder would reduce ALL of it.
You need sources to backup some of this stuff -_-
A lot of correlations do not equal causation in this post, it keeps repeatedly trying to link poor economics with violence while ignoring the elephant in the room (race)
Singapore’s lowered murder rates were caused because the population of Singapore changed from majority Malayasian to majority Chinese, this change happened when mass anti Chinese riots erupted across Malayasia causing Chinese malayasians to flee to Singapore followed by Singapore’s expulsion from Malayasia
China even in the past had very low murder rates, Europeans visiting in the 1800’s remarked that they saw little violence and lawlessness despite the Chinese living in great poverty compared to Industrial Europe
Chile’s low murder rates comes from its white European majority. Chile is one of the whitest country in south America
In fact the highest correlation to crime is not poverty but rather race, in the US wealthy blacks have higher homicide rates than poor whites
This is most likely because the genes for violence are genetic in origin, and thus different groups of people evolved to have different amounts, IQ most likely also plays a role.
This can be seen in animals, Apex predators like Tigers and Lions will seek to resolve conflict thru violence and aggression while rabbits and chipmunks will run.
When coming upon a unknown animal a Tiger will always seek aggression even if the unknown animal is larger like a Rhino or Elephant , a rabbit on the other hand will flee from a mouse
The U.S.A. murder rate while at historically low levels is much too high when compared to other first world countries. Many of the murders are tied to the drug business. Legalizing drugs would reduce some of it.
They stay where they can bribe the cops. They stay were they can wield power. If they come here they end up in a Supermax and that would suck. Most Mexican criminals in the USA were born here just like most Italian criminals. Lack of opportunities and being treated as second class citizens disconnects them from society
It all depends on who you meet. Try mixing with higher status people. If you are highly educated and highly motivated most people no matter where you go will seem stupid and lazy even here in the USA.
Most of these murders are because of drugs. Legalize drugs and put it under control. Remove the financial incentive to traffic in drugs and most of these murders will just go away. Some people think that these murders are cultural. They are not. Most of these countries had much lower murder rates before the explosion in drug trafficking.
Yes, its actually very good for populists/socialists to have uneducated masses and to discourage education. They will use that money for some populist money giving agenda.
In the interest of objectivity and fairness:
– Have you compared Latin America to other predominantly Catholic nations to see if your assessment is consistent?
– What, exactly, do you hypothesize Catholicism promotes that leads to this?
I’m having problems with the comment board, in particular an error message while posting, and then I can’t post again because the re-sent message “looks the same as one posted before” (which wasn’t).
Worked in Mexico for over three years, it’s really hard not to be a racist after that. The people there really felt less intelligent and lazier, and the government is known for discouraging education. Apparently they think it’s easier to govern/lie to the masses if they’re not as educated.
It’s all the Catholics they have down there.
Think how much more those criminals could make if they all moved to America! The criminals are not so dumb that they don’t know that to. Personally I think if those poor criminals have kids and families we should let them in no matter how violent they are.