Globally about 2 million cycles of IVF are performed each year. IVF is growing at ~7% per year. IVF is growing at 20-30% in China. China will be the major driver of IVF demand growth. This will increase global IVF growth towards 20-30% per year.
China had 17-18 million births per year and about 100K-200K were IVF births in 2017. By 2025, China should have about 1 million IVF births per year.
Denmark leads the world in IVF rates. 10% of all Denmark births are via IVF. Denmark has socialized medicine and a desperate need for a higher birthrate.
If China matches Denmark’s levels of IVF by 2030, then China would have about 2 million IVF births per year. China had more than 40 million patients with fertility problems in 2016, according to statistics from China’s National Health and Family Planning Commission. China will probably surpass Denmark IVF percentages and reach 20% IVF babies.
China will lift all birth restrictions and provide government support for IVF. This could boost China’s birthrate by 10-40 million each decade starting in 2030. There will likely be a 4-7 million population boost through the 2020s in China from IVF.
The number of working age people in China is set to fall to 700 million by 2050 – a decline of nearly a quarter, according to a government spokesman. The working-age population has been in decline since 2012, with the number of people aged 16-59 predicted to be 830 million in 2030. Maintaining China’s workforce in 2050 would require adding 150 million more than the expected 50 million from the two-child policy.
A massive IVF boost could offset the workforce decline by 10-20 million in 2050s and then help a workforce recovery from 2060 onwards.
The IVF industry is growing. Costs are dropping and costs in other countries are far lower.
Egg banking is now aggressively marketed to younger women as an insurance policy against age-related infertility. In 2011, egg banking did not even exist as a category in the CDC’s annual report on IVF. In 2016, storing eggs or embryos was the purpose of 25% of all IVF cycles. Facebook and other companies are offer egg freezing as a benefit. IVF remains a luxury.
In the past ten years, China’s government has increased funding and efforts to bring high-quality health care to its people. The current 5-year plan has made reproductive medicine, including PGD (preimplantation genetic diagnosis), a priority.
China’s use of genetic screening technique already is more than the United States. Genetic screening is growing up to five times faster in China. One clinic in China performs more procedures with PGD each year than all of the United Kingdom.
China has over 40 IVF clinics.
Genetic screening in the US
According to the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology, the number of US IVF attempts with single-gene testing rose from 1,941 in 2014 to 3,271 in 2016, an increase of almost 70%. Assuming this trend continued, there were about 5,000 IVF attempts with single-gene testing in 2018.
The US average IVF cost is over $20,000 for each try and testing can add $10,000 or more. This requires an unpleasant two-week process of ovarian stimulation and egg harvesting.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 1.7% of babies born in the US today are conceived using IVF. A 2009 study found that 76% of the medical need for assisted reproduction in the US is unmet.
China already uses more genetic screening against genetic diseases and will use genetic screening for intelligence.
Billions in IVF services and technology
Qiao’s centre carried out 18,000 IVF procedures in 2016. In 2016, the biggest clinic, the Reproductive and Genetic Hospital CITIC-Xiangya in Changsha, recorded 41,000 IVF procedures.
The market inside China for fertility services will reach $1.5 billion in 2022, more than double the $670 million it generated in 2016.
Chinese patients spent 7.4 billion yuan ($1.1 billion) on fertility treatments outside the country in 2016. Qianzhan Industry Research Institute estimated that reproduction tourism from China was US$1.4 billion in 2017. This was about 70,000 couples in 2017. Reproduction tourism from China is growing at 20-30% per year.
Chengdu-based Jinxin is planning an initial public offering in Hong Kong to raise as much as $500 million, with the proceeds possibly helping the company expand its operations in China and make acquisitions in the U.S.
Along with Warburg Pincus, the company recently completed the acquisition of HRC Fertility, which operates clinics in Southern California.
Chinese patients seeking better technology and services will travel to the U.S.
We Doctor Holdings Ltd., a health-care service provider backed by Tencent Holdings Ltd., was part of a group that on Aug. 31 announced the purchase of a 90 percent stake in Genea Ltd., a Sydney-based provider of fertility services that wants to build its business in China.
China has an algorithm-powered app called “Crazy for making babies” (aka Fengkuangzaoren). There are over 8 million users and 70,000 families successfully used it to help conceive over the past four years.
China’s IVF and genetic screen cost about one-third of the costs in the United States.
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Haha, nope. You wrote the articles as if the problem with low fertility rate is physical and the only thing that is needed is some treatment. This is absolutely NOT the case. Why? Because its like this in every developed country. Doesnt matter if IVF is free etc. as we can see in the EU countries. Absolutely low fertility, same as in China. The only thing that you can do is…. be poor. Why do you think that people in Africa have so much babies? Dont think its because of IVF lol.
IVF still requires a womb so short of an artificial womb (or forced womb) China will still have the same demographics issues as other countries. Happens in every country so far with the move from rural to urban populations. I am still intrigued to see how China tackles this worldwide issue and how much success they have with it. We try to overcome it with a high immigration rate. IVF is only part of a solution not the whole thing.
Haha nope. You wrote the articles as if the problem with low fertility rate is physical and the only thing that is needed is some treatment. This is absolutely NOT the case. Why? Because its like this in every developed country. Doesnt matter if IVF is free etc. as we can see in the EU countries. Absolutely low fertility same as in China.The only thing that you can do is…. be poor. Why do you think that people in Africa have so much babies? Dont think its because of IVF lol.
…or, start to replicate some of the incentives in having children in relation to securing retirement. In short, women who don’t have babies get less retirement pension, benefits than women who do. Women who have a kid but not enough for replacement population levels would get pension bennies at levels in the middle of those two extremes. They should be doing this in Europe and Japan, etc. But, that’s too logical.
Wu mau posters should really learn how demographics works. At this point, there can be no way to ‘solve’ their population problem. Why, because all that is already baked into the timeline cake, that is why. So unless the Chinese have developed time travel to send IVF birthed babies back in time for the previous generations to raise — assuming most of the female babies don’t just get flushed into to the sewer mains — this won’t change a thing for what is happening now/is going to only get worse far, far before it ever could even remotely start to get better.
IVF still requires a womb, so short of an artificial womb (or forced womb) China will still have the same demographics issues as other countries. Happens in every country so far with the move from rural to urban populations. I am still intrigued to see how China tackles this worldwide issue and how much success they have with it. We try to overcome it with a high immigration rate. IVF is only part of a solution, not the whole thing.
…or start to replicate some of the incentives in having children in relation to securing retirement.In short women who don’t have babies get less retirement pension benefits than women who do. Women who have a kid but not enough for replacement population levels would get pension bennies at levels in the middle of those two extremes.They should be doing this in Europe and Japan etc. But that’s too logical.
Wu mau posters should really learn how demographics works.At this point there can be no way to ‘solve’ their population problem. Why because all that is already baked into the timeline cake that is why.So unless the Chinese have developed time travel to send IVF birthed babies back in time for the previous generations to raise — assuming most of the female babies don’t just get flushed into to the sewer mains — this won’t change a thing for what is happening now/is going to only get worse far far before it ever could even remotely start to get better.
Yeah…take away their bennies. Reduced social security at least. The FemiNazis will scream…but they scream anyway.
Which is total irony since they used to punish them if they had more than one kid.
There is no need to incentivize good behavior when you can simply punish the lack of good behavior. Punishment is cheaper than positive incentives.
No doubt China will deduct points from the social credit score of women who are childless. Special offer! Bonus social credit points for having two children!
Yeah…take away their bennies. Reduced social security at least.The FemiNazis will scream…but they scream anyway.
Which is total irony since they used to punish them if they had more than one kid.
There is no need to incentivize good behavior when you can simply punish the lack of good behavior.Punishment is cheaper than positive incentives.
No doubt China will deduct points from the social credit score of women who are childless. Special offer! Bonus social credit points for having two children!
Since I have paid into my annuity for decades now there is a chance that I won’t play nice when my checks stop coming. The solution is to pay the men enough so that the wives can stay home and mind babies.
Really? Cost a lot more to take care of a prisoner than to send a child to school.
If children are a cost center instead of been a profit center then you just don’t have many. On a farm even a small child can work enough to pay for his care. Can’t do that in the city especially with child labor laws. Now if you are paying the childcare and you are paying me to have children then I will have some. In America, its call it welfare.
What are you saying? Are you saying that old women Chinese will find it difficult to have and raise children? Yes, you are right, it is already baked in. And the move from rural to urban living and women educated and working full time basically means that Chinese population will eventually start to fall.
Since I have paid into my annuity for decades now there is a chance that I won’t play nice when my checks stop coming. The solution is to pay the men enough so that the wives can stay home and mind babies.
Really? Cost a lot more to take care of a prisoner than to send a child to school.
If children are a cost center instead of been a profit center then you just don’t have many. On a farm even a small child can work enough to pay for his care. Can’t do that in the city especially with child labor laws. Now if you are paying the childcare and you are paying me to have children then I will have some. In America its call it welfare.
What are you saying? Are you saying that old women Chinese will find it difficult to have and raise children? Yes you are right it is already baked in. And the move from rural to urban living and women educated and working full time basically means that Chinese population will eventually start to fall.
China should stop trying to overpopulate itself and plan to use robots instead of people that over strain the environment. Birth control doesnt turn people on like it used to. Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.
For those who don’t know, there is a company called Genomic Prediction which offers their polygenic pre-implantation diagnostic testing for $400 per embyro after a $1000 setup fee. They provide polygenic risk scores for a variety of diseases and traits. This company and its possibilities were reported on by Nextbigfuture in 2017, and their polygenic services were predicted to be available in 2018 (this has since happened as of September, according to Genomic Prediction’s website). The company was started by Stephen Hsu, who is an adviser to the Beijing Genomics Institute and is in their Cognitive Genomics Lab (that one which investigates the genetics of geniuses). He has recently published a machine learning model for predicting a variety of traits, including height (accurate to the inch) and educational level. I’d provide links but you know how Vuukle is. So… designer babies is already here and commercially available, and remarkably affordable. The only roadblock left is a limited capacity to get eggs for large scale screening. NBF, if you read this, think it’s a good time for another article on Genomic Prediction and embryo selection.
China should stop trying to overpopulate itself and plan to use robots instead of people that over strain the environment.Birth control doesnt turn people on like it used to.Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.
For those who don’t know there is a company called Genomic Prediction which offers their polygenic pre-implantation diagnostic testing for $400 per embyro after a $1000 setup fee. They provide polygenic risk scores for a variety of diseases and traits. This company and its possibilities were reported on by Nextbigfuture in 2017 and their polygenic services were predicted to be available in 2018 (this has since happened as of September according to Genomic Prediction’s website). The company was started by Stephen Hsu who is an adviser to the Beijing Genomics Institute and is in their Cognitive Genomics Lab (that one which investigates the genetics of geniuses). He has recently published a machine learning model for predicting a variety of traits including height (accurate to the inch) and educational level. I’d provide links but you know how Vuukle is.So… designer babies is already here and commercially available and remarkably affordable. The only roadblock left is a limited capacity to get eggs for large scale screening. NBF if you read this think it’s a good time for another article on Genomic Prediction and embryo selection.
That country will have Nexus 6 Replicants by the 2030s at the rate they’re going.
That country will have Nexus 6 Replicants by the 2030s at the rate they’re going.
IVF tends to produce more females than males. China needs more females. Indeed, China has needed more females for decades.
Yes call them now, if you are NBF poster with means planning to have children 45 7026 0806 Ask them to test your embryo’s, then choose the tallest child with the highest IQ In the imminent idiocracy of the far future, the lone high IQ man will be king
You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right? So how are they doomed?
The people in EU are not reproducing because the EU government is raising their taxes and raising the price of real estate to mass import immigrants from the 3rd world. Yeah good luck affording babies when your taxes are 50% and the cost of all your goods are sky high due to import restrictions and regulation and VAT In essence the European people are having children, they are paying for the care and education of a 31 year old man claiming to be a 16 year old boy from the middle east named muhammad
IVF tends to produce more females than males. China needs more females. Indeed China has needed more females for decades.
Yes call them now if you are NBF poster with means planning to have children45 7026 0806 Ask them to test your embryo’s then choose the tallest child with the highest IQ In the imminent idiocracy of the far future the lone high IQ man will be king
You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right?So how are they doomed?
The people in EU are not reproducing because the EU government is raising their taxes and raising the price of real estate to mass import immigrants from the 3rd world. Yeah good luck affording babies when your taxes are 50{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} and the cost of all your goods are sky high due to import restrictions and regulation and VAT In essence the European people are having children they are paying for the care and education of a 31 year old man claiming to be a 16 year old boy from the middle east named muhammad
In the imminent idiocracy of the far future” the lone high IQ man will be king””Clearly”””” you have not seen the film Idiocracy.”””
Only in the US. 🙂 Google the satellite photos of the internment camps China has 1,000,000+ Uighurs imprisoned within.
Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.” Those two sentences totally contradict each other.
It’s already happening. By next year, the average working Chinese will be older than the average working American. And that delta will grow wider. But the real problem is that China is getting old before it got rich (enough), unlike the South Koreans and Japanese (who got rich before they got old).
You have not clue on the subject matter, as proven by those two questions. China is undergoing a demographic implosion. It is just starting but it can’t be stopped no matter how many babies they have. “You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right? ” So what? How is that going to stop/reverse the demographic implosion? Do you know the difference between total numbers vs relative ones when talking about demographics? China could have 2 Trillion people vs 1.6 billion. So what? That has no bearing on how much of a percentage increase/decrease that they will have in the future or how fast that will occur.
In the imminent idiocracy of the far future, the lone high IQ man will be king” Clearly, you have not seen the film Idiocracy.
Only in the US. :)Google the satellite photos of the internment camps China has 1000000+ Uighurs imprisoned within.
Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.””Those two sentences totally contradict each other.”””
It’s already happening. By next year the average working Chinese will be older than the average working American. And that delta will grow wider. But the real problem is that China is getting old before it got rich (enough) unlike the South Koreans and Japanese (who got rich before they got old).
You have not clue on the subject matter as proven by those two questions.China is undergoing a demographic implosion. It is just starting but it can’t be stopped no matter how many babies they have.You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right? “”So what? How is that going to stop/reverse the demographic implosion? Do you know the difference between total numbers vs relative ones when talking about demographics?China could have 2 Trillion people vs 1.6 billion. So what? That has no bearing on how much of a percentage increase/decrease that they will have in the future or how fast that will occur.”””
Which problem of aging do you think the south Koreans and the Japanese will solve with their wealth? Are you thinking Filipino nurses? Or the robotic attendants? I think they are all in trouble. Not enough young people to take care of the old. The good think is that Asians are relatively healthy in their old age.
Which problem of aging do you think the south Koreans and the Japanese will solve with their wealth? Are you thinking Filipino nurses? Or the robotic attendants? I think they are all in trouble. Not enough young people to take care of the old. The good think is that Asians are relatively healthy in their old age.
I’m not seeing why this is a major “problem”. China still hasn’t finished their rural to urban transition – it has a mass of under-utilized labor to draw on. In such a circumstance, a declining population can mean greater wealth for all. Heck, other articles are going on about how automation is going to create social unrest by taking jobs away from Chinese workers!
I’m not seeing why this is a major problem””. China still hasn’t finished their rural to urban transition – it has a mass of under-utilized labor to draw on. In such a circumstance”” a declining population can mean greater wealth for all. Heck”” other articles are going on about how automation is going to create social unrest by taking jobs away from Chinese workers!”””
No, the opposite. Two earning couples just increased the buying power of a couple, for say a house. Rent or buy, the landlords/developers/bankers just absorb as much of that as possible. That is all that happened when the missus was kicked out of the house to go to work. First starting with part time then full time and then another half-job…
No the opposite. Two earning couples just increased the buying power of a couple for say a house. Rent or buy the landlords/developers/bankers just absorb as much of that as possible. That is all that happened when the missus was kicked out of the house to go to work. First starting with part time then full time and then another half-job…
One thing I have learn is my long life is that women don’t like having sex if everything isn’t OK. No sex if they are tired, No sex if they are stressed. Its hard to get pregnant if there is no sex.
One thing I have learn is my long life is that women don’t like having sex if everything isn’t OK. No sex if they are tired No sex if they are stressed. Its hard to get pregnant if there is no sex.
Wow
IVF is not even a solid science. It only increases thr chances of getting pregnant but it’s not exactly miracle work that isvguaranteed.The truth is older women would find it harder and harder to get pregnant and IVF can only help so much.Tho it would improve china’s birth rates. It’s not the all encompassing solution. China should consider taking on more immigration from other countries and refugees if it values its future.
Wow
IVF is not even a solid science. It only increases thr chances of getting pregnant but it’s not exactly miracle work that isvguaranteed.The truth is older women would find it harder and harder to get pregnant and IVF can only help so much.Tho it would improve china’s birth rates. It’s not the all encompassing solution. China should consider taking on more immigration from other countries and refugees if it values its future.
Wow
IVF is not even a solid science. It only increases thr chances of getting pregnant but it’s not exactly miracle work that isvguaranteed.
The truth is older women would find it harder and harder to get pregnant and IVF can only help so much.
Tho it would improve china’s birth rates. It’s not the all encompassing solution. China should consider taking on more immigration from other countries and refugees if it values its future.
One thing I have learn is my long life is that women don’t like having sex if everything isn’t OK. No sex if they are tired, No sex if they are stressed. Its hard to get pregnant if there is no sex.
One thing I have learn is my long life is that women don’t like having sex if everything isn’t OK. No sex if they are tired No sex if they are stressed. Its hard to get pregnant if there is no sex.
No, the opposite. Two earning couples just increased the buying power of a couple, for say a house. Rent or buy, the landlords/developers/bankers just absorb as much of that as possible. That is all that happened when the missus was kicked out of the house to go to work. First starting with part time then full time and then another half-job…
No the opposite. Two earning couples just increased the buying power of a couple for say a house. Rent or buy the landlords/developers/bankers just absorb as much of that as possible. That is all that happened when the missus was kicked out of the house to go to work. First starting with part time then full time and then another half-job…
I’m not seeing why this is a major “problem”. China still hasn’t finished their rural to urban transition – it has a mass of under-utilized labor to draw on. In such a circumstance, a declining population can mean greater wealth for all. Heck, other articles are going on about how automation is going to create social unrest by taking jobs away from Chinese workers!
I’m not seeing why this is a major problem””. China still hasn’t finished their rural to urban transition – it has a mass of under-utilized labor to draw on. In such a circumstance”” a declining population can mean greater wealth for all. Heck”” other articles are going on about how automation is going to create social unrest by taking jobs away from Chinese workers!”””
One thing I have learn is my long life is that women don’t like having sex if everything isn’t OK. No sex if they are tired, No sex if they are stressed. Its hard to get pregnant if there is no sex.
No, the opposite.
Two earning couples just increased the buying power of a couple, for say a house. Rent or buy, the landlords/developers/bankers just absorb as much of that as possible.
That is all that happened when the missus was kicked out of the house to go to work. First starting with part time then full time and then another half-job…
Which problem of aging do you think the south Koreans and the Japanese will solve with their wealth? Are you thinking Filipino nurses? Or the robotic attendants? I think they are all in trouble. Not enough young people to take care of the old. The good think is that Asians are relatively healthy in their old age.
Which problem of aging do you think the south Koreans and the Japanese will solve with their wealth? Are you thinking Filipino nurses? Or the robotic attendants? I think they are all in trouble. Not enough young people to take care of the old. The good think is that Asians are relatively healthy in their old age.
I’m not seeing why this is a major “problem”. China still hasn’t finished their rural to urban transition – it has a mass of under-utilized labor to draw on. In such a circumstance, a declining population can mean greater wealth for all. Heck, other articles are going on about how automation is going to create social unrest by taking jobs away from Chinese workers!
Only in the US. 🙂 Google the satellite photos of the internment camps China has 1,000,000+ Uighurs imprisoned within.
Only in the US. :)Google the satellite photos of the internment camps China has 1000000+ Uighurs imprisoned within.
Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.” Those two sentences totally contradict each other.
Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.””Those two sentences totally contradict each other.”””
It’s already happening. By next year, the average working Chinese will be older than the average working American. And that delta will grow wider. But the real problem is that China is getting old before it got rich (enough), unlike the South Koreans and Japanese (who got rich before they got old).
It’s already happening. By next year the average working Chinese will be older than the average working American. And that delta will grow wider. But the real problem is that China is getting old before it got rich (enough) unlike the South Koreans and Japanese (who got rich before they got old).
You have not clue on the subject matter, as proven by those two questions. China is undergoing a demographic implosion. It is just starting but it can’t be stopped no matter how many babies they have. “You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right? ” So what? How is that going to stop/reverse the demographic implosion? Do you know the difference between total numbers vs relative ones when talking about demographics? China could have 2 Trillion people vs 1.6 billion. So what? That has no bearing on how much of a percentage increase/decrease that they will have in the future or how fast that will occur.
You have not clue on the subject matter as proven by those two questions.China is undergoing a demographic implosion. It is just starting but it can’t be stopped no matter how many babies they have.You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right? “”So what? How is that going to stop/reverse the demographic implosion? Do you know the difference between total numbers vs relative ones when talking about demographics?China could have 2 Trillion people vs 1.6 billion. So what? That has no bearing on how much of a percentage increase/decrease that they will have in the future or how fast that will occur.”””
In the imminent idiocracy of the far future, the lone high IQ man will be king” Clearly, you have not seen the film Idiocracy.
In the imminent idiocracy of the far future” the lone high IQ man will be king””Clearly”””” you have not seen the film Idiocracy.”””
IVF tends to produce more females than males. China needs more females. Indeed, China has needed more females for decades.
IVF tends to produce more females than males. China needs more females. Indeed China has needed more females for decades.
Yes call them now, if you are NBF poster with means planning to have children 45 7026 0806 Ask them to test your embryo’s, then choose the tallest child with the highest IQ In the imminent idiocracy of the far future, the lone high IQ man will be king
Yes call them now if you are NBF poster with means planning to have children45 7026 0806 Ask them to test your embryo’s then choose the tallest child with the highest IQ In the imminent idiocracy of the far future the lone high IQ man will be king
You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right? So how are they doomed?
You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right?So how are they doomed?
The people in EU are not reproducing because the EU government is raising their taxes and raising the price of real estate to mass import immigrants from the 3rd world. Yeah good luck affording babies when your taxes are 50% and the cost of all your goods are sky high due to import restrictions and regulation and VAT In essence the European people are having children, they are paying for the care and education of a 31 year old man claiming to be a 16 year old boy from the middle east named muhammad
The people in EU are not reproducing because the EU government is raising their taxes and raising the price of real estate to mass import immigrants from the 3rd world. Yeah good luck affording babies when your taxes are 50{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} and the cost of all your goods are sky high due to import restrictions and regulation and VAT In essence the European people are having children they are paying for the care and education of a 31 year old man claiming to be a 16 year old boy from the middle east named muhammad
Which problem of aging do you think the south Koreans and the Japanese will solve with their wealth? Are you thinking Filipino nurses? Or the robotic attendants?
I think they are all in trouble. Not enough young people to take care of the old. The good think is that Asians are relatively healthy in their old age.
That country will have Nexus 6 Replicants by the 2030s at the rate they’re going.
That country will have Nexus 6 Replicants by the 2030s at the rate they’re going.
China should stop trying to overpopulate itself and plan to use robots instead of people that over strain the environment. Birth control doesnt turn people on like it used to. Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.
China should stop trying to overpopulate itself and plan to use robots instead of people that over strain the environment.Birth control doesnt turn people on like it used to.Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.
For those who don’t know, there is a company called Genomic Prediction which offers their polygenic pre-implantation diagnostic testing for $400 per embyro after a $1000 setup fee. They provide polygenic risk scores for a variety of diseases and traits. This company and its possibilities were reported on by Nextbigfuture in 2017, and their polygenic services were predicted to be available in 2018 (this has since happened as of September, according to Genomic Prediction’s website). The company was started by Stephen Hsu, who is an adviser to the Beijing Genomics Institute and is in their Cognitive Genomics Lab (that one which investigates the genetics of geniuses). He has recently published a machine learning model for predicting a variety of traits, including height (accurate to the inch) and educational level. I’d provide links but you know how Vuukle is. So… designer babies is already here and commercially available, and remarkably affordable. The only roadblock left is a limited capacity to get eggs for large scale screening. NBF, if you read this, think it’s a good time for another article on Genomic Prediction and embryo selection.
For those who don’t know there is a company called Genomic Prediction which offers their polygenic pre-implantation diagnostic testing for $400 per embyro after a $1000 setup fee. They provide polygenic risk scores for a variety of diseases and traits. This company and its possibilities were reported on by Nextbigfuture in 2017 and their polygenic services were predicted to be available in 2018 (this has since happened as of September according to Genomic Prediction’s website). The company was started by Stephen Hsu who is an adviser to the Beijing Genomics Institute and is in their Cognitive Genomics Lab (that one which investigates the genetics of geniuses). He has recently published a machine learning model for predicting a variety of traits including height (accurate to the inch) and educational level. I’d provide links but you know how Vuukle is.So… designer babies is already here and commercially available and remarkably affordable. The only roadblock left is a limited capacity to get eggs for large scale screening. NBF if you read this think it’s a good time for another article on Genomic Prediction and embryo selection.
Only in the US. 🙂
Google the satellite photos of the internment camps China has 1,000,000+ Uighurs imprisoned within.
“Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.”
Those two sentences totally contradict each other.
It’s already happening.
By next year, the average working Chinese will be older than the average working American. And that delta will grow wider.
But the real problem is that China is getting old before it got rich (enough), unlike the South Koreans and Japanese (who got rich before they got old).
You have not clue on the subject matter, as proven by those two questions.
China is undergoing a demographic implosion. It is just starting but it can’t be stopped no matter how many babies they have.
“You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right? ”
So what? How is that going to stop/reverse the demographic implosion? Do you know the difference between total numbers vs relative ones when talking about demographics?
China could have 2 Trillion people vs 1.6 billion. So what? That has no bearing on how much of a percentage increase/decrease that they will have in the future or how fast that will occur.
“In the imminent idiocracy of the far future, the lone high IQ man will be king”
Clearly, you have not seen the film Idiocracy.
Since I have paid into my annuity for decades now there is a chance that I won’t play nice when my checks stop coming. The solution is to pay the men enough so that the wives can stay home and mind babies.
Since I have paid into my annuity for decades now there is a chance that I won’t play nice when my checks stop coming. The solution is to pay the men enough so that the wives can stay home and mind babies.
Really? Cost a lot more to take care of a prisoner than to send a child to school.
Really? Cost a lot more to take care of a prisoner than to send a child to school.
If children are a cost center instead of been a profit center then you just don’t have many. On a farm even a small child can work enough to pay for his care. Can’t do that in the city especially with child labor laws. Now if you are paying the childcare and you are paying me to have children then I will have some. In America, its call it welfare.
If children are a cost center instead of been a profit center then you just don’t have many. On a farm even a small child can work enough to pay for his care. Can’t do that in the city especially with child labor laws. Now if you are paying the childcare and you are paying me to have children then I will have some. In America its call it welfare.
What are you saying? Are you saying that old women Chinese will find it difficult to have and raise children? Yes, you are right, it is already baked in. And the move from rural to urban living and women educated and working full time basically means that Chinese population will eventually start to fall.
What are you saying? Are you saying that old women Chinese will find it difficult to have and raise children? Yes you are right it is already baked in. And the move from rural to urban living and women educated and working full time basically means that Chinese population will eventually start to fall.
IVF tends to produce more females than males. China needs more females. Indeed, China has needed more females for decades.
Yes call them now, if you are NBF poster with means planning to have children
45 7026 0806
Ask them to test your embryo’s, then choose the tallest child with the highest IQ
In the imminent idiocracy of the far future, the lone high IQ man will be king
You realize that there are more children + teenagers in China than the entire population of US right?
So how are they doomed?
The people in EU are not reproducing because the EU government is raising their taxes and raising the price of real estate to mass import immigrants from the 3rd world.
Yeah good luck affording babies when your taxes are 50% and the cost of all your goods are sky high due to import restrictions and regulation and VAT
In essence the European people are having children, they are paying for the care and education of a 31 year old man claiming to be a 16 year old boy from the middle east named muhammad
That country will have Nexus 6 Replicants by the 2030s at the rate they’re going.
Yeah…take away their bennies. Reduced social security at least. The FemiNazis will scream…but they scream anyway.
Yeah…take away their bennies. Reduced social security at least.The FemiNazis will scream…but they scream anyway.
Which is total irony since they used to punish them if they had more than one kid.
Which is total irony since they used to punish them if they had more than one kid.
There is no need to incentivize good behavior when you can simply punish the lack of good behavior. Punishment is cheaper than positive incentives.
There is no need to incentivize good behavior when you can simply punish the lack of good behavior.Punishment is cheaper than positive incentives.
No doubt China will deduct points from the social credit score of women who are childless. Special offer! Bonus social credit points for having two children!
No doubt China will deduct points from the social credit score of women who are childless. Special offer! Bonus social credit points for having two children!
China should stop trying to overpopulate itself and plan to use robots instead of people that over strain the environment.
Birth control doesnt turn people on like it used to.
Too many people are hung up on medieval morality that says the only time sex is permissible is to procreate. Its driving a population explosion and an environmental disaster.
…or, start to replicate some of the incentives in having children in relation to securing retirement. In short, women who don’t have babies get less retirement pension, benefits than women who do. Women who have a kid but not enough for replacement population levels would get pension bennies at levels in the middle of those two extremes. They should be doing this in Europe and Japan, etc. But, that’s too logical.
…or start to replicate some of the incentives in having children in relation to securing retirement.In short women who don’t have babies get less retirement pension benefits than women who do. Women who have a kid but not enough for replacement population levels would get pension bennies at levels in the middle of those two extremes.They should be doing this in Europe and Japan etc. But that’s too logical.
Wu mau posters should really learn how demographics works. At this point, there can be no way to ‘solve’ their population problem. Why, because all that is already baked into the timeline cake, that is why. So unless the Chinese have developed time travel to send IVF birthed babies back in time for the previous generations to raise — assuming most of the female babies don’t just get flushed into to the sewer mains — this won’t change a thing for what is happening now/is going to only get worse far, far before it ever could even remotely start to get better.
Wu mau posters should really learn how demographics works.At this point there can be no way to ‘solve’ their population problem. Why because all that is already baked into the timeline cake that is why.So unless the Chinese have developed time travel to send IVF birthed babies back in time for the previous generations to raise — assuming most of the female babies don’t just get flushed into to the sewer mains — this won’t change a thing for what is happening now/is going to only get worse far far before it ever could even remotely start to get better.
For those who don’t know, there is a company called Genomic Prediction which offers their polygenic pre-implantation diagnostic testing for $400 per embyro after a $1000 setup fee. They provide polygenic risk scores for a variety of diseases and traits. This company and its possibilities were reported on by Nextbigfuture in 2017, and their polygenic services were predicted to be available in 2018 (this has since happened as of September, according to Genomic Prediction’s website).
The company was started by Stephen Hsu, who is an adviser to the Beijing Genomics Institute and is in their Cognitive Genomics Lab (that one which investigates the genetics of geniuses). He has recently published a machine learning model for predicting a variety of traits, including height (accurate to the inch) and educational level. I’d provide links but you know how Vuukle is.
So… designer babies is already here and commercially available, and remarkably affordable. The only roadblock left is a limited capacity to get eggs for large scale screening.
NBF, if you read this, think it’s a good time for another article on Genomic Prediction and embryo selection.
IVF still requires a womb, so short of an artificial womb (or forced womb) China will still have the same demographics issues as other countries. Happens in every country so far with the move from rural to urban populations. I am still intrigued to see how China tackles this worldwide issue and how much success they have with it. We try to overcome it with a high immigration rate. IVF is only part of a solution, not the whole thing.
IVF still requires a womb so short of an artificial womb (or forced womb) China will still have the same demographics issues as other countries. Happens in every country so far with the move from rural to urban populations. I am still intrigued to see how China tackles this worldwide issue and how much success they have with it. We try to overcome it with a high immigration rate. IVF is only part of a solution not the whole thing.
Haha, nope. You wrote the articles as if the problem with low fertility rate is physical and the only thing that is needed is some treatment. This is absolutely NOT the case. Why? Because its like this in every developed country. Doesnt matter if IVF is free etc. as we can see in the EU countries. Absolutely low fertility, same as in China. The only thing that you can do is…. be poor. Why do you think that people in Africa have so much babies? Dont think its because of IVF lol.
Haha nope. You wrote the articles as if the problem with low fertility rate is physical and the only thing that is needed is some treatment. This is absolutely NOT the case. Why? Because its like this in every developed country. Doesnt matter if IVF is free etc. as we can see in the EU countries. Absolutely low fertility same as in China.The only thing that you can do is…. be poor. Why do you think that people in Africa have so much babies? Dont think its because of IVF lol.
Since I have paid into my annuity for decades now there is a chance that I won’t play nice when my checks stop coming.
The solution is to pay the men enough so that the wives can stay home and mind babies.
Really? Cost a lot more to take care of a prisoner than to send a child to school.
If children are a cost center instead of been a profit center then you just don’t have many. On a farm even a small child can work enough to pay for his care. Can’t do that in the city especially with child labor laws. Now if you are paying the childcare and you are paying me to have children then I will have some. In America, its call it welfare.
What are you saying? Are you saying that old women Chinese will find it difficult to have and raise children? Yes, you are right, it is already baked in. And the move from rural to urban living and women educated and working full time basically means that Chinese population will eventually start to fall.
Yeah…take away their bennies. Reduced social security at least.
The FemiNazis will scream…but they scream anyway.
Which is total irony since they used to punish them if they had more than one kid.
There is no need to incentivize good behavior when you can simply punish the lack of good behavior.
Punishment is cheaper than positive incentives.
No doubt China will deduct points from the social credit score of women who are childless. Special offer! Bonus social credit points for having two children!
…or, start to replicate some of the incentives in having children in relation to securing retirement.
In short, women who don’t have babies get less retirement pension, benefits than women who do. Women who have a kid but not enough for replacement population levels would get pension bennies at levels in the middle of those two extremes.
They should be doing this in Europe and Japan, etc. But, that’s too logical.
Wu mau posters should really learn how demographics works.
At this point, there can be no way to ‘solve’ their population problem. Why, because all that is already baked into the timeline cake, that is why.
So unless the Chinese have developed time travel to send IVF birthed babies back in time for the previous generations to raise — assuming most of the female babies don’t just get flushed into to the sewer mains — this won’t change a thing for what is happening now/is going to only get worse far, far before it ever could even remotely start to get better.
IVF still requires a womb, so short of an artificial womb (or forced womb) China will still have the same demographics issues as other countries. Happens in every country so far with the move from rural to urban populations. I am still intrigued to see how China tackles this worldwide issue and how much success they have with it. We try to overcome it with a high immigration rate. IVF is only part of a solution, not the whole thing.
Haha, nope. You wrote the articles as if the problem with low fertility rate is physical and the only thing that is needed is some treatment. This is absolutely NOT the case. Why? Because its like this in every developed country. Doesnt matter if IVF is free etc. as we can see in the EU countries. Absolutely low fertility, same as in China.
The only thing that you can do is…. be poor. Why do you think that people in Africa have so much babies? Dont think its because of IVF lol.