Chinese scientist studied Hypersonics with Iranian scientist in Norway

An Australian study notes that China’s army has sent 2500 scientists to foreign universities over the last ten years.

* China’s military sent 2500 scientists to study in western universities
* Australia has nearly 50% foreign born scientists
* The US is dependent upon foreign born scientists and engineers including those from China
* China is ahead of Europe, Australia and even the USA in implementing hypersonic weapons and technology
* One the key examples cited in the study was a Chinese hypersonics researcher who co-wrote five papers with an Iranian born scientist who was in Norway
* Restricting chinese scientists from western universities will be delicate and tricky for the US and Australia
* Russia will use $5 billion to send 100,000 Russian students to study in foreign universities. This is forty times larger than what China’s PLA program was.

China’s overall science and research level

China has also observed a remarkable increase in the number of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) graduates over the past three decades, providing the country with an abundant S&T workforce. In 2017, it was estimated that some 8 million students graduated from Chinese universities, a tenfold increase over a 20-year period, and twice the number graduating from U.S. universities. Some 313,000 students were enrolled in doctoral programs in 2014, along with 1.5 million in M.A. programs; among these, 58 percent (182,000) were science or engineering Ph.D. students, and 44 percent (666,000) were science or engineering M.A. students. China now boasts the largest number of laboratory scientists of any country, and its R&D spending outstrips that of the EU.

China’s share of global scientific papers increased from 6.4% in 2003 to 18.2% in 2013, second only to the United States (18.8%).

China’s share of scientific papers cited in the top 1 percent increased from 0.5% in 2002 to 0.8% in 2012, it remains well below that of the U.S. over the same time period (1.76% in 2002 and 1.94% in 2012). China as reached about half of the US level of top 1 percent of research papers.

The 2500 PLA researchers sent overseas is probably about 1% of the total numbers in China.

Australia’s study on PLA scientists in Western Universities

2,500 People’s Liberation Army (PLA) scientists have been placed in Western universities since 2008 to engage in research with international partners in these universities.

Chinese military sent about 300 military scientists to Australia—fewer than the 500 who have been sent to each of the U.S. and UK, and around the same number as were sent to Canada over the period.

Research areas Chinese military scientists have been involved in in Australia include satellite navigation, remote sensing, supercomputing, signal processing and cryptography.

The Australian study cites some specific cases where a hypersonic researcher from China worked in Norway. In Norway, he co-authored give papers on air-breathing hypersonic vehicles. The co-author was Iranian born Hamid Reza Karimi.

So one of the key examples, was a Chinese student co-wrote papers with an Iranian born scientist who emigrated to Germany and then to Norway. Hamid Reza Karimi was born in 1976.

Karimi received the B.Sc. (First Hons.) degree in power systems from the Sharif University of Technology, Tehran, Iran, in 1998, and the M.Sc. and Ph.D. (First Hons.) degrees in control systems engineering from the University of Tehran, Tehran, in 2001 and 2005, respectively. He is currently an associate professor of Applied Mechanics with the Department of Mechanical Engineering, Politecnico di Milano, Milan, Italy.

In 2011, Switzerland had the largest percent of immigrant scientists working in country (56.7); Canada, and Australia had about 48%, the U.S. and Sweden had about 40%.

US high dependent on foreign born scientists and engineers

More than 60 percent of foreign-born scientists and engineers in the United States in 2009 were from Asia, according to Census Bureau data analyzed by PRB. Nearly one-fourth were from India, with another one-fifth from China, the Philippines, and Taiwan.

Foreign-born entrepreneurs helped start one-fourth of all new U.S. engineering and technology business established between 1995 and 2005, including Google and eBay. In high-tech Silicon Valley, California, more than one-half of business start-ups over that period involved a foreign-born scientist or engineer; one-fourth included an Indian or Chinese immigrants.

Russia’s study abroad program

There are 56,915 Russian students studying abroad, of which around 4,092 are based in the UK.

Russia hosts more than 243,752 international students and considers international recruitment to be an important geopolitical goal. Russia is aiming to triple international students numbers to more than 700,000 by 2025.

The Russian government is putting $5 billion to fund domestic Russian students studying at leading foreign universities. This will fund 100,000 Russian students over the next ten years.

If the students decide to stay overseas after graduation, they would have to pay back to Russia all the money spent on their education and a fine twice as large as this amount.

The Russian Agency for Strategic Initiatives (ASI) and the Alumni Club of Harvard University have helped the Russian government to put the initiative together.

47 thoughts on “Chinese scientist studied Hypersonics with Iranian scientist in Norway”

  1. American students are more focused on fields that make enough money to pay back their student loans like the medical and law fields.

  2. The big question here is how many of them ending up getting involved in espionage. The copious oriental mind does not easily lend itself to create …

  3. Brilliant. That’s how we lost all our data at White Sands; that’s how Loral Space Corp (with a wink and nod from Bill Clinton) transferred our ICBM guidance tech to China taking their missiles from not being able to hit anything to as accurate as ours; Now Norway and Australia are actively training the PLA??? Perhaps we should put the Norwegians and Aussies on the front lines in the next shooting war… Note this: Karl Marx said, “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.

  4. Are USA school being feeders for universities? Or producing politically correct grammar, middle, and high schoolers for careers not so needed or valued anymore? Why US not producting more STEM – male and female? Relatives in US say high schools don’t push and are more like gynasiums in Germany than college prep schools for STEM work or research. Friend who visit China last year said he saw T-shirts with hacker heros. In US they wear Chávez or Che Guevara shirts or pay money to advertize for Nike. You need Department of Education to educate students – or teachers. Your dollars taxes at work!

  5. Sounds like you have no clue how a PHD program works, and how basic science worksPeople apply and interview, and then the professor decides what students he wants to mentor A grad student has mostly no idea what he will be working on when he applies and there will always be things learned in any STEM PHD program applicable to Industry or military

  6. DF-5, first test flight 1971, in service since 1980, 13000 kilometers, CEP 800m, 5 megaton warhead. Counter-value strategy = it doesnt matter if it hits central Washington DC or the outskirts, all is gone anway.

  7. Sounds like you have no clue how a PHD program works, and how basic science works

    People apply and interview, and then the professor decides what students he wants to mentor

    A grad student has mostly no idea what he will be working on when he applies and there will always be things learned in any STEM PHD program applicable to Industry or military

  8. What is it with people and basket weaving? For tens of thousands of year up to now we have weaved baskets. A critical skill for making containers to move food and supplies. From basket weaving came the weaving of cloth which we use to protect us from the climate. Now weaving is used to make cars bodies and rocket fuel storage. There are very few skills as important as weaving. A degree in weaving will most certainly pay off. Weaving is still a very big business.

  9. Same in New Zealand – I’m off to study in UK nextMaybe we will all be off to do our PHD in Chna in a few years

  10. Saudi Arabia are “our bad guys” until 0.01 seconds after we don’t need their oil any more. Then they’ll be like “our ally” the USSR on August 16 1945.Or they can be like “our ally” France on August 16 1945. One chose to grow up and behave like a civilized nation, the other kept being violent barbarians and were treated as a threat.

  11. What is it with people and basket weaving? For tens of thousands of year up to now we have weaved baskets. A critical skill for making containers to move food and supplies. From basket weaving came the weaving of cloth which we use to protect us from the climate. Now weaving is used to make cars bodies and rocket fuel storage. There are very few skills as important as weaving. A degree in weaving will most certainly pay off. Weaving is still a very big business.

  12. You pay tuition, you get a degree Anything that you learn while getting your PHD or masters belongs to you as an individual This article is fake news, send enough people to get their phd’s abroad and one guy might end up working with hypersonics, one guy end up working in fluid acoustics, one guy might end up in thermal flow etc….

  13. >Around 80% of Chinese students who left to study overseas returned to China in 2016>Of those that have been abroad on a government-sponsored scholarship, 98% have returned to China.So congrats, the US is taking in most of the loser students that aren’t studying STEM or getting PHD’s Meanwhile American kids are so dumb, that they can’t even get into a PHD program that has drastically lowered standards for Americans

  14. That’s not entirely true, it is not unusual for a STEM graduate degree to account for $60-100k in student loans, and entry level salaries are about 65-70k, and 8yr median salaries are roughly 95-120k. That makes your student loan payment 50-60% of your after tax income at 8yr.

  15. Brilliant. That’s how we lost all our data at White Sands; that’s how Loral Space Corp (with a wink and nod from Bill Clinton) transferred our ICBM guidance tech to China taking their missiles from not being able to hit anything to as accurate as ours; Now Norway and Australia are actively training the PLA??? Perhaps we should put the Norwegians and Aussies on the front lines in the next shooting war… Note this: Karl Marx said, “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.

  16. Are USA school being feeders for universities? Or producing politically correct grammar, middle, and high schoolers for careers not so needed or valued anymore? Why US not producting more STEM – male and female? Relatives in US say high schools don’t push and are more like gynasiums in Germany than college prep schools for STEM work or research. Friend who visit China last year said he saw T-shirts with hacker heros. In US they wear Chávez or Che Guevara shirts or pay money to advertize for Nike. You need Department of Education to educate students – or teachers. Your dollars taxes at work!

  17. STEM can be affordably paid back, too. It’s the worthless degrees like Underwater Basket Weaving, Masters in Puppetry and Studies that are hard to pay off. And with good reason.

  18. American students are more focused on fields that make enough money to pay back their student loans like the medical and law fields.

  19. The big question here is how many of them ending up getting involved in espionage. The copious oriental mind does not easily lend itself to create …

  20. Saudi Arabia are “our bad guys” until 0.01 seconds after we don’t need their oil any more. Then they’ll be like “our ally” the USSR on August 16 1945.

    Or they can be like “our ally” France on August 16 1945.

    One chose to grow up and behave like a civilized nation, the other kept being violent barbarians and were treated as a threat.

  21. You pay tuition, you get a degree

    Anything that you learn while getting your PHD or masters belongs to you as an individual

    This article is fake news, send enough people to get their phd’s abroad and one guy might end up working with hypersonics, one guy end up working in fluid acoustics, one guy might end up in thermal flow etc….

  22. >Around 80% of Chinese students who left to study overseas returned to China in 2016

    >Of those that have been abroad on a government-sponsored scholarship, 98% have returned to China.

    So congrats, the US is taking in most of the loser students that aren’t studying STEM or getting PHD’s

    Meanwhile American kids are so dumb, that they can’t even get into a PHD program that has drastically lowered standards for Americans

  23. That’s not entirely true, it is not unusual for a STEM graduate degree to account for $60-100k in student loans, and entry level salaries are about 65-70k, and 8yr median salaries are roughly 95-120k. That makes your student loan payment 50-60% of your after tax income at 8yr.

  24. Brilliant. That’s how we lost all our data at White Sands; that’s how Loral Space Corp (with a wink and nod from Bill Clinton) transferred our ICBM guidance tech to China taking their missiles from not being able to hit anything to as accurate as ours; Now Norway and Australia are actively training the PLA??? Perhaps we should put the Norwegians and Aussies on the front lines in the next shooting war…
    Note this: Karl Marx said, “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”

  25. Are USA school being feeders for universities? Or producing politically correct grammar, middle, and high schoolers for careers not so needed or valued anymore? Why US not producting more STEM – male and female? Relatives in US say high schools don’t push and are more like gynasiums in Germany than college prep schools for STEM work or research. Friend who visit China last year said he saw T-shirts with hacker heros. In US they wear Chávez or Che Guevara shirts or pay money to advertize for Nike. You need Department of Education to educate students – or teachers. Your dollars taxes at work!

  26. STEM can be affordably paid back, too.

    It’s the worthless degrees like Underwater Basket Weaving, Masters in Puppetry and Studies that are hard to pay off. And with good reason.

  27. The big question here is how many of them ending up getting involved in espionage. The copious oriental mind does not easily lend itself to create …

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