Sean Penn and Michael Moore still say Chavez was good

Hugo Chavez and his successor Maduro have brought starvation and economic ruin to Venezuela. Venezuela did have 60% poverty when Chavez started but starvation and crime rates become far bigger problems under Chavez.

Sean Penn in a recent interview on the Daily Show still indicates that he thinks Hugo Chavez was not to blame for Venezuela’s problems.

Kidnapping and murder rates vastly increased under Chavez.

During the presidency of Chávez, Venezuela faced occasional shortages owing to high inflation and government financial inefficiencies. In 2005, Chávez announced the initiation of Venezuela’s own “great leap forward”, following the example of Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward. An increase in shortages began to occur that year as 5% of items became unavailable according to the Central Bank of Venezuela. In January 2008, 24.7% of goods were reported to be unavailable in Venezuela, with the scarcity of goods remaining high until May 2008, when there was a shortage of 16.3% of goods. However, shortages increased again in January 2012 to nearly the same rate as in 2008.

The next video indicates how public spending under Chavez tripled and how job democratization under Chavez doubled staffing at the PDVSA oil company without increasing the amount of oil produced.

Oil prices were rising throughout almost all of the Chavez presidency from 1999 to 2013. At the end, Venezuela needed $200 per barrel oil to balance its budget. So Chavez was making Venezuela bankrupt even when prices were over $100 per barrel.

Venezuela’s debt increased despite rising and high oil prices.

The Venezuela currency dropped massively while Chavez was still leading Venezuela.

Michael Moore was asked about Venezuela after Maduro stole the 2017 election. Moore says that Americans should not comment or meddle in Venezuela and its elections. Moore then talks about the CIA and the USA being the originators of election meddling.

267 thoughts on “Sean Penn and Michael Moore still say Chavez was good”

  1. Capitalist? With a government that forces stores to sell products for less than they pay for them, so everybody can afford things? Then as an obvious result the stores simply stopped selling them and now there are shortages of everything. Then they simply printed money and distributed it all to make everybody "rich?" With the obvious result that hyperinflation ensued and their currency became worthless. That's not capitalism, that's socialism and a very poorly run socialist system at that.

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  2. You have absolutely no idea what are you writing about. The failing communist regime of Hugo Chavez, which is a copy of the Cuban system, devastated the country turning it into a Banana Republic. Additionally, during the Chavista regimes (including the one of Nicolas Maduro), human rights have been permanently violated.

    You have to be truly foolish, or too ignorant, not to know that the Chavez regime is really a narco state. Its members must go to prison immediately because they are real murderers.

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  3. This isn’t about socialism, capitalism or whatever. The story is about dictatorships. Seeing ignorant Hollywood types clueless and used is par for the course. Let’s unpack Venezuela and Chavez. Long story short, he took money from PDVSA and borrowed abroad and literally gave it to the poor. Cash handouts. If the attempt was to reduce poverty it worked. That is, if you go from “abject poverty” to “dirt poor”. Giving money to people who don’t have it usually does. This worked until the money ran out. Enter Maduro. There is nothing left to give away so he can’t do a Chavez 2.0. Country is broke. So what motivated these 2 gents to be so benevolent in their Robin Hood strategy? Money. Chavez fleeced the people and stored about $11.2bn away in HSBC’s accounts in Europe. He basically took his 10% fee for making cash transfers to the poor. Maduro isn’t too far behind but only a single digit billionaire (and having his nephews locked up in the US for cocaine smuggling doesn’t help him getting richer). So their business model has been to control the economy and give money to enough people (who vote) to stay in power so they could continue skimming. Of course, creating a long lasting method of raising people out of poverty (e.g productive job creation) was never in the cards. Barbaric theft, plain and simple. This has been the business model of Venezuela for many decades, except under military dictatorships the poor never got the transfers.

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  4. This isn’t about socialism capitalism or whatever. The story is about dictatorships. Seeing ignorant Hollywood types clueless and used is par for the course. Let’s unpack Venezuela and Chavez.Long story short he took money from PDVSA and borrowed abroad and literally gave it to the poor. Cash handouts. If the attempt was to reduce poverty it worked. That is if you go from abject poverty”” to “”””dirt poor””””. Giving money to people who don’t have it usually does. This worked until the money ran out. Enter Maduro. There is nothing left to give away so he can’t do a Chavez 2.0. Country is broke.So what motivated these 2 gents to be so benevolent in their Robin Hood strategy? Money. Chavez fleeced the people and stored about $11.2bn away in HSBC’s accounts in Europe. He basically took his 10{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} fee for making cash transfers to the poor. Maduro isn’t too far behind but only a single digit billionaire (and having his nephews locked up in the US for cocaine smuggling doesn’t help him getting richer). So their business model has been to control the economy and give money to enough people (who vote) to stay in power so they could continue skimming. Of course”” creating a long lasting method of raising people out of poverty (e.g productive job creation) was never in the cards. Barbaric theft plain and simple. This has been the business model of Venezuela for many decades”” except under military dictatorships the poor never got the transfers.”””

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  5. No mor0n, as Doctorpat correctly points out, Wang is ridiculing them not giving them any appearance of respect. You screwed up, you usually do. It’s because you aren’t bright.

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  6. No mor0n as Doctorpat correctly points out Wang is ridiculing them not giving them any appearance of respect. You screwed up you usually do.It’s because you aren’t bright.

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  7. He is a f00l and you are a f00l, for example, I already know from your previous comments that you have no idea what a war crime is.

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  8. He is a f00l and you are a f00l for example I already know from your previous comments that you have no idea what a war crime is.

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  9. I dunno, Derek. I mean, every Taylor Swift song is about her bad judgement in men, and now she endorses Phil Bredensen. Maybe she’s sending a message…

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  10. I dunno Derek. I mean every Taylor Swift song is about her bad judgement in men and now she endorses Phil Bredensen. Maybe she’s sending a message…

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  11. Stop reading Fox news, Warren, and start to learn, .. “WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) – The United States announced on Friday it will effectively close its consulate in the Iraqi city of Basra and relocate diplomatic personnel assigned there following increasing threats from Iran and Iran-backed militia, including rocket fire.” Reutersn It is the US, Warren, that is running away and withdraw defeated brom Iraq. Iran is in

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  12. There is definitely risk in this prediction, but this site is predicting that John McCain will win the 2008 US Presidential election. Brian Wang, 2008

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  13. agreed. Mc cain was winning the elections in 2008 according to Brian “The polls are very close to even between Obama and McCain, with some showing McCain leading and others showing Obama. The bettors still have an edge for Obama.” Brian Wang

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  14. Stop reading Fox news Warren and start to learn ..WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) – The United States announced on Friday it will effectively close its consulate in the Iraqi city of Basra and relocate diplomatic personnel assigned there following increasing threats from Iran and Iran-backed militia”” including rocket fire.””Reutersn It is the US”” Warren”” that is running away and withdraw defeated brom Iraq. Iran is in”””

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  15. There is definitely risk in this prediction but this site is predicting that John McCain will win the 2008 US Presidential election.Brian Wang 2008

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  16. agreed. Mc cain was winning the elections in 2008 according to Brian The polls are very close to even between Obama and McCain” with some showing McCain leading and others showing Obama. The bettors still have an edge for Obama.””Brian Wang”””

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  17. Venezuela is a 3rd world petro-state and capitalist country with a mixed market economy. Private property makes up the vast bulk of enterprises and private property rights are enforced. Venezuela’s real problem is it failed to diversify it’s economy when it had the chance, and it’s bourgie class decided to oppose the leftist government and their ‘correct and popular’ policies of redistribution which has been compounded by US sanctions and meddling. Also – instead of comparing apples and pairs – why not focus on the first world success stories of socialism – such as one of the Nordic countries or even first world examples like the UK’s National Health Service – which is ranked #1 in the world for a myriad of KPI’s? Why not do that? Let’s not forget China! They have a much deeper SOE sector than Venezuela and their economy has grown 9 fold since the turn of the century? Maybe the real reason Venezuela is used as an example is because its small and backward enough to be bossed around by the right wingers at home and abroad. Who then feel they can hold it up as an example of ‘THE DREADED RED SCARE’ and everyone will believe them. But just like trickle-down economics – it’s so much wishful thinking.

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  18. This time next year, Brian will still be raging into the void about Chavez from inside an internment camp – if things carry on the way they are with China.

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  19. Venezuela is a 3rd world petro-state and capitalist country with a mixed market economy. Private property makes up the vast bulk of enterprises and private property rights are enforced. Venezuela’s real problem is it failed to diversify it’s economy when it had the chance and it’s bourgie class decided to oppose the leftist government and their ‘correct and popular’ policies of redistribution which has been compounded by US sanctions and meddling.Also – instead of comparing apples and pairs – why not focus on the first world success stories of socialism – such as one of the Nordic countries or even first world examples like the UK’s National Health Service – which is ranked #1 in the world for a myriad of KPI’s? Why not do that?Let’s not forget China! They have a much deeper SOE sector than Venezuela and their economy has grown 9 fold since the turn of the century?Maybe the real reason Venezuela is used as an example is because its small and backward enough to be bossed around by the right wingers at home and abroad. Who then feel they can hold it up as an example of ‘THE DREADED RED SCARE’ and everyone will believe them. But just like trickle-down economics – it’s so much wishful thinking.

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  20. This time next year Brian will still be raging into the void about Chavez from inside an internment camp – if things carry on the way they are with China.

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  21. Yeah, like especially when falsely accusing someone of gang-rape for someone named ‘Kavanaugh’ while denying the right to be heard for those accusing Clinton of raping them.

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  22. Yeah like especially when falsely accusing someone of gang-rape for someone named ‘Kavanaugh’ while denying the right to be heard for those accusing Clinton of raping them.

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  23. Benghazi probes and the endless “lock her up” rallies..” Benghazi was proven. People DIED because Shrillary and Obama did nothing. Nothing…despite being informed of the threat. PROVE Trump committed Tax FRAUD. PROVE IT, Brenty.

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  24. Benghazi probes and the endless “”lock her up”””” rallies..””””Benghazi was proven. People DIED because Shrillary and Obama did nothing. Nothing…despite being informed of the threat.PROVE Trump committed Tax FRAUD.PROVE IT”””” Brenty.”””

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  25. A distinction with no difference”””The lame attempt to try to avoid admitting your screwed up. That’s what that is.”””

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  26. Naked socialism? I think there is a loony fringe advocating stuff like Stalin, Mao, or Chavez. But my impression is that most Democrats are looking more at countries like Sweden that are basically capitalist, but with more of a welfare safety net than the US. Certainly the health care systems in other developed countries get better results for the money spent than the US does.

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  27. Naked socialism?I think there is a loony fringe advocating stuff like Stalin Mao or Chavez. But my impression is that most Democrats are looking more at countries like Sweden that are basically capitalist but with more of a welfare safety net than the US. Certainly the health care systems in other developed countries get better results for the money spent than the US does.

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  28. Save the fake outrage APEMAN. Remind me how outraged you’ve been by the relentless Benghazi probes and the endless “lock her up” rallies… I hear Trump is a boy scout who really didn’t collude with the Russians, have sex with Playboy models months after his wife gave birth, and didn’t cheat countless contractors.

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  29. Save the fake outrage APEMAN. Remind me how outraged you’ve been by the relentless Benghazi probes and the endless lock her up”” rallies…I hear Trump is a boy scout who really didn’t collude with the Russians”” have sex with Playboy models months after his wife gave birth”” and didn’t cheat countless contractors.”””

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  30. The IRS doesn’t seem to think he committed fraud. Or do you think that his accountants and tax lawyers intentionally committed massive fraud? Also – remember the IRS doesn’t guarantee their tax advice. I’m thinking that Trump’s accountants went by the exact letter of the law – and I wouldn’t be surprised if, after a careful -IMPARTIAL- audit that not only will it be found he complied with everything, but actually slightly overpaid.

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  31. The IRS doesn’t seem to think he committed fraud. Or do you think that his accountants and tax lawyers intentionally committed massive fraud?Also – remember the IRS doesn’t guarantee their tax advice. I’m thinking that Trump’s accountants went by the exact letter of the law – and I wouldn’t be surprised if after a careful -IMPARTIAL- audit that not only will it be found he complied with everything but actually slightly overpaid.

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  32. The Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations were full of war criminals, based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war.

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  33. The Clinton Bush and Obama administrations were full of war criminals” based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. “” “””

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  34. A lot of people here think convictions and proof are old school. Just hang them all, if you don’t like them or they disagree with you! Proof is not necessary for the truly poorly educated and feebleminded.

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  35. A lot of people here think convictions and proof are old school. Just hang them all if you don’t like them or they disagree with you! Proof is not necessary for the truly poorly educated and feebleminded.

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  36. trump never commited tax fraud.. thats such a libelous claim.. but this is beyond trump.. these people in hollywood are dumb and why we give any of them the time of day is beyond me.. they are canceling chemo for kids in venezuelan hospitals.. this is what socialism gets you… its hell on earth..

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  37. trump never commited tax fraud.. thats such a libelous claim.. but this is beyond trump.. these people in hollywood are dumb and why we give any of them the time of day is beyond me.. they are canceling chemo for kids in venezuelan hospitals.. this is what socialism gets you… its hell on earth..

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  38. What tax fraud? Show me where Trump has been convicted of tax fraud. Oh wait! You have no such proof. Just like your favorite side didn’t have any proof for outlandish accusations of gang-rape thrown at Kavanaugh. Due process and burden of the accuser to provide evidence be dâmned, right?

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  39. What tax fraud?Show me where Trump has been convicted of tax fraud. Oh wait! You have no such proof. Just like your favorite side didn’t have any proof for outlandish accusations of gang-rape thrown at Kavanaugh. Due process and burden of the accuser to provide evidence be dâmned right?”

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  40. I don’t get your post. You’re basically agreeing with what I wrote. So what’s the “Uh…” for? We don’t seem to be in disagreement on Venezuela.

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  41. I don’t get your post. You’re basically agreeing with what I wrote. So what’s the Uh…”” for? We don’t seem to be in disagreement on Venezuela.”””

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  42. Actually, I’m an American, and I agree with you. The Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations were full of war criminals, based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. It remains to be seen if the Trump administration follows the others. There may be prosecutions in the works. Anytime there is evidence that an official conspired to initiate a war of aggression, that official needs to be tried for crimes against humanity. Otherwise the government that does not try them is an outlaw state. As it stands now, the USA is an outlaw state, every bit as much as the German government of the 1930s, and early 40s.

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  43. Actually I’m an American and I agree with you. The Clinton Bush and Obama administrations were full of war criminals based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. It remains to be seen if the Trump administration follows the others. There may be prosecutions in the works.Anytime there is evidence that an official conspired to initiate a war of aggression that official needs to be tried for crimes against humanity. Otherwise the government that does not try them is an outlaw state. As it stands now the USA is an outlaw state every bit as much as the German government of the 1930s and early 40s.

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  44. And plenty of people, including probably you, have no problem with Trump performing tax fraud. This isn’t exactly a story about “the next big future”. All you’re doing is making people mad with crap like this.

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  45. And plenty of people including probably you have no problem with Trump performing tax fraud. This isn’t exactly a story about the next big future””. All you’re doing is making people mad with crap like this.”””

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  46. Rich guys celebrating the destruction of the middle class. Nothing ever changes! One question guys. If the middle class is destroyed, who buys tickets, or rents your lame movies? Oops, didn’t think of that, did you?

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  47. Rich guys celebrating the destruction of the middle class. Nothing ever changes! One question guys. If the middle class is destroyed who buys tickets or rents your lame movies? Oops didn’t think of that did you?

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  48. GWB and Cheney will never go before a firing squad…if only because by not doing so it po’s America-hating Eurotârds like Matteo here.

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  49. GWB and Cheney will never go before a firing squad…if only because by not doing so it po’s America-hating Eurotârds like Matteo here.

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  50. Mah! Brian said before the end of 2018 there will be a military coup in Venezuela. Still two months to go Brian, before proven wrong !! Luca Mazza

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  51. Mah! Brian said before the end of 2018 there will be a military coup in Venezuela. Still two months to go Brian before proven wrong !! Luca Mazza

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  52. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. ” Learn to read: I said “the equivalency of respect and credibility

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  53. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. “”Learn to read: I said “”””the equivalency of respect and credibility”””””””

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  54. Uh…because Venezuela is socialist? “”If you can”””” read for comprehension. That’s exactly what he said!”””

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  55. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. In fact, I think he listed a lot of reasons why they were if anything more moronic than even you are.

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  56. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. In fact I think he listed a lot of reasons why they were if anything more moronic than even you are.

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  57. Oh Ameritards!! Always criticising others and never thinking about themselves When Brian Wang , and all the other right wing will EVER write an article that GWB, Cheney need to go in front of the firing squad for having started a useless war based on lies ? When will morhonic, sthupid , childish, brainwashhed ameeritards do that? Thinking about themselves and what they do before looking at others ? Hey brian , are you hearing me? Luca Mazza

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  58. Oh Ameritards!! Always criticising others and never thinking about themselves When Brian Wang and all the other right wing will EVER write an article that GWB Cheney need to go in front of the firing squad for having started a useless war based on lies ? When will morhonic sthupid childish brainwashhed ameeritards do that? Thinking about themselves and what they do before looking at others ? Hey brian are you hearing me? Luca Mazza

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  59. Explain to me, what makes “Spicolli” from the Fast Times movie, an EXPERT on anything? Get so tired of these so called celebrities that think they are experts, just because they pretend to be someone in a movie or on TV. Bet if they had to live, like the rest of the people in these so called socialist paradises, they would come flying back to the USA in about a week!

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  60. Explain to me what makes Spicolli”” from the Fast Times movie”” an EXPERT on anything?Get so tired of these so called celebrities that think they are experts just because they pretendto be someone in a movie or on TV.Bet if they had to live like the rest of the people in these so called socialist paradises”” they would come flying back to the USA in about a week!”””

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  61. Uh…because Venezuela is socialist? And Dems and stupid actors said it was awesome and better than the US because of its socialism, just like they are saying it now as described in this article? And this: “These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?” — Bernie Sanders. This letter by him IS STILL on his Senate website, btw.

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  62. Uh…because Venezuela is socialist?And Dems and stupid actors said it was awesome and better than the US because of its socialism just like they are saying it now as described in this article?And this:These days” the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America in places such as Ecuador Venezuela and Argentina” where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?”” — Bernie Sanders. This letter by him IS STILL on his Senate website”””” btw.”””

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  63. Why on Earth is Brian giving any of these morøns the equivalency of respect and credibility one would to someone who actually has proven to not be a morøn?

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  64. Why on Earth is Brian giving any of these morøns the equivalency of respect and credibility one would to someone who actually has proven to not be a morøn?

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  65. This is why when Trump mentions Democrats and their increasingly naked socialism in his speeches, he quickly mentions Venezuela alongside them.

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  66. This is why when Trump mentions Democrats and their increasingly naked socialism in his speeches he quickly mentions Venezuela alongside them.

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  67. This is blinkered ideological devotion on a scale that defies understanding. “Fool” or “useful idiot” are terms too weak to encompass such contempt for suffering and willful ignorance.

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  68. This is blinkered ideological devotion on a scale that defies understanding. Fool”” or “”””useful idiot”””” are terms too weak to encompass such contempt for suffering and willful ignorance.”””

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  69. Venezuela is a 3rd world petro-state and capitalist country with a mixed market economy. Private property makes up the vast bulk of enterprises and private property rights are enforced. Venezuela’s real problem is it failed to diversify it’s economy when it had the chance, and it’s bourgie class decided to oppose the leftist government and their ‘correct and popular’ policies of redistribution which has been compounded by US sanctions and meddling. Also – instead of comparing apples and pairs – why not focus on the first world success stories of socialism – such as one of the Nordic countries or even first world examples like the UK’s National Health Service – which is ranked #1 in the world for a myriad of KPI’s? Why not do that? Let’s not forget China! They have a much deeper SOE sector than Venezuela and their economy has grown 9 fold since the turn of the century? Maybe the real reason Venezuela is used as an example is because its small and backward enough to be bossed around by the right wingers at home and abroad. Who then feel they can hold it up as an example of ‘THE DREADED RED SCARE’ and everyone will believe them. But just like trickle-down economics – it’s so much wishful thinking.

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  70. Venezuela is a 3rd world petro-state and capitalist country with a mixed market economy. Private property makes up the vast bulk of enterprises and private property rights are enforced. Venezuela’s real problem is it failed to diversify it’s economy when it had the chance and it’s bourgie class decided to oppose the leftist government and their ‘correct and popular’ policies of redistribution which has been compounded by US sanctions and meddling.Also – instead of comparing apples and pairs – why not focus on the first world success stories of socialism – such as one of the Nordic countries or even first world examples like the UK’s National Health Service – which is ranked #1 in the world for a myriad of KPI’s? Why not do that?Let’s not forget China! They have a much deeper SOE sector than Venezuela and their economy has grown 9 fold since the turn of the century?Maybe the real reason Venezuela is used as an example is because its small and backward enough to be bossed around by the right wingers at home and abroad. Who then feel they can hold it up as an example of ‘THE DREADED RED SCARE’ and everyone will believe them. But just like trickle-down economics – it’s so much wishful thinking.

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  71. This time next year, Brian will still be raging into the void about Chavez from inside an internment camp – if things carry on the way they are with China.

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  72. This time next year Brian will still be raging into the void about Chavez from inside an internment camp – if things carry on the way they are with China.

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  73. Venezuela is a 3rd world petro-state and capitalist country with a mixed market economy. Private property makes up the vast bulk of enterprises and private property rights are enforced. Venezuela’s real problem is it failed to diversify it’s economy when it had the chance, and it’s bourgie class decided to oppose the leftist government and their ‘correct and popular’ policies of redistribution which has been compounded by US sanctions and meddling.

    Also – instead of comparing apples and pairs – why not focus on the first world success stories of socialism – such as one of the Nordic countries or even first world examples like the UK’s National Health Service – which is ranked #1 in the world for a myriad of KPI’s? Why not do that?

    Let’s not forget China! They have a much deeper SOE sector than Venezuela and their economy has grown 9 fold since the turn of the century?

    Maybe the real reason Venezuela is used as an example is because its small and backward enough to be bossed around by the right wingers at home and abroad. Who then feel they can hold it up as an example of ‘THE DREADED RED SCARE’ and everyone will believe them. But just like trickle-down economics – it’s so much wishful thinking.

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  74. This time next year, Brian will still be raging into the void about Chavez from inside an internment camp – if things carry on the way they are with China.

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  75. Stop reading Fox news, Warren, and start to learn, .. “WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) – The United States announced on Friday it will effectively close its consulate in the Iraqi city of Basra and relocate diplomatic personnel assigned there following increasing threats from Iran and Iran-backed militia, including rocket fire.” Reutersn It is the US, Warren, that is running away and withdraw defeated brom Iraq. Iran is in

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  76. Stop reading Fox news Warren and start to learn ..WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) – The United States announced on Friday it will effectively close its consulate in the Iraqi city of Basra and relocate diplomatic personnel assigned there following increasing threats from Iran and Iran-backed militia”” including rocket fire.””Reutersn It is the US”” Warren”” that is running away and withdraw defeated brom Iraq. Iran is in”””

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  77. There is definitely risk in this prediction, but this site is predicting that John McCain will win the 2008 US Presidential election. Brian Wang, 2008

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  78. There is definitely risk in this prediction but this site is predicting that John McCain will win the 2008 US Presidential election.Brian Wang 2008

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  79. agreed. Mc cain was winning the elections in 2008 according to Brian “The polls are very close to even between Obama and McCain, with some showing McCain leading and others showing Obama. The bettors still have an edge for Obama.” Brian Wang

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  80. agreed. Mc cain was winning the elections in 2008 according to Brian The polls are very close to even between Obama and McCain” with some showing McCain leading and others showing Obama. The bettors still have an edge for Obama.””Brian Wang”””

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  81. Stop reading Fox news, Warren, and start to learn, ..

    “WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) – The United States announced on Friday it will effectively close its consulate in the Iraqi city of Basra and relocate diplomatic personnel assigned there following increasing threats from Iran and Iran-backed militia, including rocket fire.”
    Reutersn

    It is the US, Warren, that is running away and withdraw defeated brom Iraq. Iran is in

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  82. agreed.
    Mc cain was winning the elections in 2008 according to Brian

    “The polls are very close to even between Obama and McCain, with some showing McCain leading and others showing Obama. The bettors still have an edge for Obama.”
    Brian Wang

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  83. I dunno, Derek. I mean, every Taylor Swift song is about her bad judgement in men, and now she endorses Phil Bredensen. Maybe she’s sending a message…

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  84. I dunno Derek. I mean every Taylor Swift song is about her bad judgement in men and now she endorses Phil Bredensen. Maybe she’s sending a message…

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  85. This isn’t about socialism, capitalism or whatever. The story is about dictatorships. Seeing ignorant Hollywood types clueless and used is par for the course. Let’s unpack Venezuela and Chavez. Long story short, he took money from PDVSA and borrowed abroad and literally gave it to the poor. Cash handouts. If the attempt was to reduce poverty it worked. That is, if you go from “abject poverty” to “dirt poor”. Giving money to people who don’t have it usually does. This worked until the money ran out. Enter Maduro. There is nothing left to give away so he can’t do a Chavez 2.0. Country is broke. So what motivated these 2 gents to be so benevolent in their Robin Hood strategy? Money. Chavez fleeced the people and stored about $11.2bn away in HSBC’s accounts in Europe. He basically took his 10% fee for making cash transfers to the poor. Maduro isn’t too far behind but only a single digit billionaire (and having his nephews locked up in the US for cocaine smuggling doesn’t help him getting richer). So their business model has been to control the economy and give money to enough people (who vote) to stay in power so they could continue skimming. Of course, creating a long lasting method of raising people out of poverty (e.g productive job creation) was never in the cards. Barbaric theft, plain and simple. This has been the business model of Venezuela for many decades, except under military dictatorships the poor never got the transfers.

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  86. This isn’t about socialism capitalism or whatever. The story is about dictatorships. Seeing ignorant Hollywood types clueless and used is par for the course. Let’s unpack Venezuela and Chavez.Long story short he took money from PDVSA and borrowed abroad and literally gave it to the poor. Cash handouts. If the attempt was to reduce poverty it worked. That is if you go from abject poverty”” to “”””dirt poor””””. Giving money to people who don’t have it usually does. This worked until the money ran out. Enter Maduro. There is nothing left to give away so he can’t do a Chavez 2.0. Country is broke.So what motivated these 2 gents to be so benevolent in their Robin Hood strategy? Money. Chavez fleeced the people and stored about $11.2bn away in HSBC’s accounts in Europe. He basically took his 10{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} fee for making cash transfers to the poor. Maduro isn’t too far behind but only a single digit billionaire (and having his nephews locked up in the US for cocaine smuggling doesn’t help him getting richer). So their business model has been to control the economy and give money to enough people (who vote) to stay in power so they could continue skimming. Of course”” creating a long lasting method of raising people out of poverty (e.g productive job creation) was never in the cards. Barbaric theft plain and simple. This has been the business model of Venezuela for many decades”” except under military dictatorships the poor never got the transfers.”””

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  87. No mor0n, as Doctorpat correctly points out, Wang is ridiculing them not giving them any appearance of respect. You screwed up, you usually do. It’s because you aren’t bright.

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  88. No mor0n as Doctorpat correctly points out Wang is ridiculing them not giving them any appearance of respect. You screwed up you usually do.It’s because you aren’t bright.

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  89. He is a f00l and you are a f00l, for example, I already know from your previous comments that you have no idea what a war crime is.

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  90. He is a f00l and you are a f00l for example I already know from your previous comments that you have no idea what a war crime is.

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  91. This isn’t about socialism, capitalism or whatever. The story is about dictatorships. Seeing ignorant Hollywood types clueless and used is par for the course. Let’s unpack Venezuela and Chavez.
    Long story short, he took money from PDVSA and borrowed abroad and literally gave it to the poor. Cash handouts. If the attempt was to reduce poverty it worked. That is, if you go from “abject poverty” to “dirt poor”. Giving money to people who don’t have it usually does. This worked until the money ran out. Enter Maduro. There is nothing left to give away so he can’t do a Chavez 2.0. Country is broke.

    So what motivated these 2 gents to be so benevolent in their Robin Hood strategy? Money. Chavez fleeced the people and stored about $11.2bn away in HSBC’s accounts in Europe. He basically took his 10% fee for making cash transfers to the poor. Maduro isn’t too far behind but only a single digit billionaire (and having his nephews locked up in the US for cocaine smuggling doesn’t help him getting richer).

    So their business model has been to control the economy and give money to enough people (who vote) to stay in power so they could continue skimming.

    Of course, creating a long lasting method of raising people out of poverty (e.g productive job creation) was never in the cards. Barbaric theft, plain and simple.

    This has been the business model of Venezuela for many decades, except under military dictatorships the poor never got the transfers.

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  92. Yeah, like especially when falsely accusing someone of gang-rape for someone named ‘Kavanaugh’ while denying the right to be heard for those accusing Clinton of raping them.

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  93. Yeah like especially when falsely accusing someone of gang-rape for someone named ‘Kavanaugh’ while denying the right to be heard for those accusing Clinton of raping them.

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  94. Benghazi probes and the endless “lock her up” rallies..” Benghazi was proven. People DIED because Shrillary and Obama did nothing. Nothing…despite being informed of the threat. PROVE Trump committed Tax FRAUD. PROVE IT, Brenty.

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  95. Benghazi probes and the endless “”lock her up”””” rallies..””””Benghazi was proven. People DIED because Shrillary and Obama did nothing. Nothing…despite being informed of the threat.PROVE Trump committed Tax FRAUD.PROVE IT”””” Brenty.”””

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  96. A distinction with no difference”””The lame attempt to try to avoid admitting your screwed up. That’s what that is.”””

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  97. Naked socialism? I think there is a loony fringe advocating stuff like Stalin, Mao, or Chavez. But my impression is that most Democrats are looking more at countries like Sweden that are basically capitalist, but with more of a welfare safety net than the US. Certainly the health care systems in other developed countries get better results for the money spent than the US does.

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  98. Naked socialism?I think there is a loony fringe advocating stuff like Stalin Mao or Chavez. But my impression is that most Democrats are looking more at countries like Sweden that are basically capitalist but with more of a welfare safety net than the US. Certainly the health care systems in other developed countries get better results for the money spent than the US does.

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  99. Save the fake outrage APEMAN. Remind me how outraged you’ve been by the relentless Benghazi probes and the endless “lock her up” rallies… I hear Trump is a boy scout who really didn’t collude with the Russians, have sex with Playboy models months after his wife gave birth, and didn’t cheat countless contractors.

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  100. Save the fake outrage APEMAN. Remind me how outraged you’ve been by the relentless Benghazi probes and the endless lock her up”” rallies…I hear Trump is a boy scout who really didn’t collude with the Russians”” have sex with Playboy models months after his wife gave birth”” and didn’t cheat countless contractors.”””

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  101. The IRS doesn’t seem to think he committed fraud. Or do you think that his accountants and tax lawyers intentionally committed massive fraud? Also – remember the IRS doesn’t guarantee their tax advice. I’m thinking that Trump’s accountants went by the exact letter of the law – and I wouldn’t be surprised if, after a careful -IMPARTIAL- audit that not only will it be found he complied with everything, but actually slightly overpaid.

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  102. The IRS doesn’t seem to think he committed fraud. Or do you think that his accountants and tax lawyers intentionally committed massive fraud?Also – remember the IRS doesn’t guarantee their tax advice. I’m thinking that Trump’s accountants went by the exact letter of the law – and I wouldn’t be surprised if after a careful -IMPARTIAL- audit that not only will it be found he complied with everything but actually slightly overpaid.

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  103. The Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations were full of war criminals, based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war.

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  104. The Clinton Bush and Obama administrations were full of war criminals” based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. “” “””

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  105. “Benghazi probes and the endless “lock her up” rallies..”

    Benghazi was proven. People DIED because Shrillary and Obama did nothing. Nothing…despite being informed of the threat.

    PROVE Trump committed Tax FRAUD.

    PROVE IT, Brenty.

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  106. Naked socialism?
    I think there is a loony fringe advocating stuff like Stalin, Mao, or Chavez. But my impression is that most Democrats are looking more at countries like Sweden that are basically capitalist, but with more of a welfare safety net than the US. Certainly the health care systems in other developed countries get better results for the money spent than the US does.

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  107. Save the fake outrage APEMAN. Remind me how outraged you’ve been by the relentless Benghazi probes and the endless “lock her up” rallies…

    I hear Trump is a boy scout who really didn’t collude with the Russians, have sex with Playboy models months after his wife gave birth, and didn’t cheat countless contractors.

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  108. A lot of people here think convictions and proof are old school. Just hang them all, if you don’t like them or they disagree with you! Proof is not necessary for the truly poorly educated and feebleminded.

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  109. A lot of people here think convictions and proof are old school. Just hang them all if you don’t like them or they disagree with you! Proof is not necessary for the truly poorly educated and feebleminded.

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  110. trump never commited tax fraud.. thats such a libelous claim.. but this is beyond trump.. these people in hollywood are dumb and why we give any of them the time of day is beyond me.. they are canceling chemo for kids in venezuelan hospitals.. this is what socialism gets you… its hell on earth..

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  111. trump never commited tax fraud.. thats such a libelous claim.. but this is beyond trump.. these people in hollywood are dumb and why we give any of them the time of day is beyond me.. they are canceling chemo for kids in venezuelan hospitals.. this is what socialism gets you… its hell on earth..

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  112. The IRS doesn’t seem to think he committed fraud. Or do you think that his accountants and tax lawyers intentionally committed massive fraud?

    Also – remember the IRS doesn’t guarantee their tax advice. I’m thinking that Trump’s accountants went by the exact letter of the law – and I wouldn’t be surprised if, after a careful -IMPARTIAL- audit that not only will it be found he complied with everything, but actually slightly overpaid.

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  113. What tax fraud? Show me where Trump has been convicted of tax fraud. Oh wait! You have no such proof. Just like your favorite side didn’t have any proof for outlandish accusations of gang-rape thrown at Kavanaugh. Due process and burden of the accuser to provide evidence be dâmned, right?

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  114. What tax fraud?Show me where Trump has been convicted of tax fraud. Oh wait! You have no such proof. Just like your favorite side didn’t have any proof for outlandish accusations of gang-rape thrown at Kavanaugh. Due process and burden of the accuser to provide evidence be dâmned right?”

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  115. I don’t get your post. You’re basically agreeing with what I wrote. So what’s the “Uh…” for? We don’t seem to be in disagreement on Venezuela.

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  116. I don’t get your post. You’re basically agreeing with what I wrote. So what’s the Uh…”” for? We don’t seem to be in disagreement on Venezuela.”””

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  117. ” The Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations were full of war criminals, based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. ” <-- No, fool, they are not. You clearly have no idea what the Geneva Conventions actually say.

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  118. Actually, I’m an American, and I agree with you. The Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations were full of war criminals, based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. It remains to be seen if the Trump administration follows the others. There may be prosecutions in the works. Anytime there is evidence that an official conspired to initiate a war of aggression, that official needs to be tried for crimes against humanity. Otherwise the government that does not try them is an outlaw state. As it stands now, the USA is an outlaw state, every bit as much as the German government of the 1930s, and early 40s.

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  119. Actually I’m an American and I agree with you. The Clinton Bush and Obama administrations were full of war criminals based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. It remains to be seen if the Trump administration follows the others. There may be prosecutions in the works.Anytime there is evidence that an official conspired to initiate a war of aggression that official needs to be tried for crimes against humanity. Otherwise the government that does not try them is an outlaw state. As it stands now the USA is an outlaw state every bit as much as the German government of the 1930s and early 40s.

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  120. And plenty of people, including probably you, have no problem with Trump performing tax fraud. This isn’t exactly a story about “the next big future”. All you’re doing is making people mad with crap like this.

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  121. And plenty of people including probably you have no problem with Trump performing tax fraud. This isn’t exactly a story about the next big future””. All you’re doing is making people mad with crap like this.”””

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  122. Rich guys celebrating the destruction of the middle class. Nothing ever changes! One question guys. If the middle class is destroyed, who buys tickets, or rents your lame movies? Oops, didn’t think of that, did you?

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  123. Rich guys celebrating the destruction of the middle class. Nothing ever changes! One question guys. If the middle class is destroyed who buys tickets or rents your lame movies? Oops didn’t think of that did you?

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  124. GWB and Cheney will never go before a firing squad…if only because by not doing so it po’s America-hating Eurotârds like Matteo here.

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  125. GWB and Cheney will never go before a firing squad…if only because by not doing so it po’s America-hating Eurotârds like Matteo here.

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  126. Mah! Brian said before the end of 2018 there will be a military coup in Venezuela. Still two months to go Brian, before proven wrong !! Luca Mazza

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  127. Mah! Brian said before the end of 2018 there will be a military coup in Venezuela. Still two months to go Brian before proven wrong !! Luca Mazza

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  128. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. ” Learn to read: I said “the equivalency of respect and credibility

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  129. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. “”Learn to read: I said “”””the equivalency of respect and credibility”””””””

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  130. Uh…because Venezuela is socialist? “”If you can”””” read for comprehension. That’s exactly what he said!”””

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  131. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. In fact, I think he listed a lot of reasons why they were if anything more moronic than even you are.

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  132. I did n’t see he was giving then any respect or credibility. In fact I think he listed a lot of reasons why they were if anything more moronic than even you are.

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  133. Oh Ameritards!! Always criticising others and never thinking about themselves When Brian Wang , and all the other right wing will EVER write an article that GWB, Cheney need to go in front of the firing squad for having started a useless war based on lies ? When will morhonic, sthupid , childish, brainwashhed ameeritards do that? Thinking about themselves and what they do before looking at others ? Hey brian , are you hearing me? Luca Mazza

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  134. Oh Ameritards!! Always criticising others and never thinking about themselves When Brian Wang and all the other right wing will EVER write an article that GWB Cheney need to go in front of the firing squad for having started a useless war based on lies ? When will morhonic sthupid childish brainwashhed ameeritards do that? Thinking about themselves and what they do before looking at others ? Hey brian are you hearing me? Luca Mazza

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  135. Explain to me, what makes “Spicolli” from the Fast Times movie, an EXPERT on anything? Get so tired of these so called celebrities that think they are experts, just because they pretend to be someone in a movie or on TV. Bet if they had to live, like the rest of the people in these so called socialist paradises, they would come flying back to the USA in about a week!

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  136. Explain to me what makes Spicolli”” from the Fast Times movie”” an EXPERT on anything?Get so tired of these so called celebrities that think they are experts just because they pretendto be someone in a movie or on TV.Bet if they had to live like the rest of the people in these so called socialist paradises”” they would come flying back to the USA in about a week!”””

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  137. Uh…because Venezuela is socialist? And Dems and stupid actors said it was awesome and better than the US because of its socialism, just like they are saying it now as described in this article? And this: “These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?” — Bernie Sanders. This letter by him IS STILL on his Senate website, btw.

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  138. Uh…because Venezuela is socialist?And Dems and stupid actors said it was awesome and better than the US because of its socialism just like they are saying it now as described in this article?And this:These days” the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America in places such as Ecuador Venezuela and Argentina” where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?”” — Bernie Sanders. This letter by him IS STILL on his Senate website”””” btw.”””

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  139. Why on Earth is Brian giving any of these morøns the equivalency of respect and credibility one would to someone who actually has proven to not be a morøn?

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  140. Why on Earth is Brian giving any of these morøns the equivalency of respect and credibility one would to someone who actually has proven to not be a morøn?

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  141. This is why when Trump mentions Democrats and their increasingly naked socialism in his speeches, he quickly mentions Venezuela alongside them.

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  142. This is why when Trump mentions Democrats and their increasingly naked socialism in his speeches he quickly mentions Venezuela alongside them.

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  143. This is blinkered ideological devotion on a scale that defies understanding. “Fool” or “useful idiot” are terms too weak to encompass such contempt for suffering and willful ignorance.

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  144. This is blinkered ideological devotion on a scale that defies understanding. Fool”” or “”””useful idiot”””” are terms too weak to encompass such contempt for suffering and willful ignorance.”””

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  145. A lot of people here think convictions and proof are old school. Just hang them all, if you don’t like them or they disagree with you! Proof is not necessary for the truly poorly educated and feebleminded.

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  146. trump never commited tax fraud.. thats such a libelous claim.. but this is beyond trump.. these people in hollywood are dumb and why we give any of them the time of day is beyond me.. they are canceling chemo for kids in venezuelan hospitals.. this is what socialism gets you… its hell on earth..

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  147. What tax fraud?

    Show me where Trump has been convicted of tax fraud.

    Oh wait! You have no such proof. Just like your favorite side didn’t have any proof for outlandish accusations of gang-rape thrown at Kavanaugh.

    Due process and burden of the accuser to provide evidence be dâmned, right?

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  148. Actually, I’m an American, and I agree with you. The Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations were full of war criminals, based on the Nuremberg principles that the United States put in place to prosecute German officials after the war. It remains to be seen if the Trump administration follows the others. There may be prosecutions in the works.
    Anytime there is evidence that an official conspired to initiate a war of aggression, that official needs to be tried for crimes against humanity. Otherwise the government that does not try them is an outlaw state. As it stands now, the USA is an outlaw state, every bit as much as the German government of the 1930s, and early 40s.

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  149. And plenty of people, including probably you, have no problem with Trump performing tax fraud. This isn’t exactly a story about “the next big future”. All you’re doing is making people mad with crap like this.

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  150. Rich guys celebrating the destruction of the middle class. Nothing ever changes! One question guys. If the middle class is destroyed, who buys tickets, or rents your lame movies? Oops, didn’t think of that, did you?

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  151. Oh Ameritards!!
    Always criticising others and never thinking about themselves
    When Brian Wang , and all the other right wing will EVER write an article that GWB, Cheney need to go in front of the firing squad for having started a useless war based on lies ?
    When will morhonic, sthupid , childish, brainwashhed ameeritards do that?
    Thinking about themselves and what they do before looking at others ?
    Hey brian , are you hearing me?

    Luca Mazza

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  152. Explain to me, what makes “Spicolli” from the Fast Times movie, an EXPERT on anything?
    Get so tired of these so called celebrities that think they are experts, just because they pretend
    to be someone in a movie or on TV.
    Bet if they had to live, like the rest of the people in these so called socialist paradises, they would come flying back to the USA in about a week!

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  153. Uh…because Venezuela is socialist?

    And Dems and stupid actors said it was awesome and better than the US because of its socialism, just like they are saying it now as described in this article?

    And this:

    “These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?” — Bernie Sanders. This letter by him IS STILL on his Senate website, btw.

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  154. This is blinkered ideological devotion on a scale that defies understanding. “Fool” or “useful idiot” are terms too weak to encompass such contempt for suffering and willful ignorance.

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