SpaceX has begun working on the South Texas rocket testing facility that will be used for SpaceX BFS launching and landing tests late in 2019.
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People forget that while canceled at the moment, SpaceX ultimately plans to build the ITS. Which would have a launch capacity of 300 tons and be reusable. It was shelved essentially because they realized the development cost was too high for current cash flow in the launch market (probably double to tipple that of the BFR, which they have since also staged the development of for cost/cash flow reasons due to overall demand). I bet if Starlink takes off and gives them the huge cash flow they hope, they would re-start the ITS project.
People forget that while canceled at the moment SpaceX ultimately plans to build the ITS. Which would have a launch capacity of 300 tons and be reusable. It was shelved essentially because they realized the development cost was too high for current cash flow in the launch market (probably double to tipple that of the BFR which they have since also staged the development of for cost/cash flow reasons due to overall demand). I bet if Starlink takes off and gives them the huge cash flow they hope they would re-start the ITS project.
Elon has said at the International Space Congress that future generations of BFR will get bigger and bigger. So we know that much.
That’s what he wants you to think.
I thought BFR was just the new design of ITS? You’re saying they’re two entirely separate designs and ITS is still planned? This is documented somewhere? I got from all his speeches on BFR that this is the new design, there is no other design.
Elon has said at the International Space Congress that future generations of BFR will get bigger and bigger. So we know that much.
I thought BFR was just the new design of ITS? You’re saying they’re two entirely separate designs and ITS is still planned? This is documented somewhere? I got from all his speeches on BFR that this is the new design there is no other design.
I think he pulled a spacecraft with 42 engines out of thin air, it was an arbitrary first design target. BFR seems like the sweet-spot to me because the first stage booster puts the spacecraft just outside the atmosphere at speed, and the second stage is sized for re-entry. Sure you could build a bigger spacecraft for marginal gains but there is a limit here, just like the 747 is too big for most passenger routes, the twin-jet is the sweet spot when it comes to passenger travel. If BFR is the 737 then the analogous 787 rocket will probably be only marginally bigger than the BFR, and unless there is a need to launch a single payload that size then there is really not a huge incentive to go bigger and bigger, there needs to be “manageable chunks”.
Maybe they go with a Heavy BFR, where they use a 2-3 BFR boosters and put a monster cargo, fuel, or man rated vehicle on the second stage. They could get to 200-300 tons with full reuse that way as well.
You are right but it will probably be bigger than the ITS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwLWfaAg-8&t=34m26s “While this vehicle seems quite large (and is large by comparison with other rockets), I think the future spacecraft will make this look like a rowboat.
I am making a prediction. Sure it’s not what they have currently planned, but it is what they originally wanted. If we have learned anything from the F9 progression and the FH, along with the current BFR plans, it is that SpaceX believes in scaling up. that is what the ITS is, a scaled up BFR. Just like the BFR will start with non-vacuum raptors and a 100T lift capacity it will eventually replace the engines with vacuum versions. I don’t think it is a stretch to think they might scale up the final version of the BFR into something that resembles the ITS if they are initially successful and have the money to do so.
Is the BFR looking more, and more like Buck Rodgers’ space ship as it evolves?
I am making a prediction. Sure it’s not what they have currently planned but it is what they originally wanted. If we have learned anything from the F9 progression and the FH along with the current BFR plans it is that SpaceX believes in scaling up. that is what the ITS is a scaled up BFR. Just like the BFR will start with non-vacuum raptors and a 100T lift capacity it will eventually replace the engines with vacuum versions. I don’t think it is a stretch to think they might scale up the final version of the BFR into something that resembles the ITS if they are initially successful and have the money to do so.
Is the BFR looking more and more like Buck Rodgers’ space ship as it evolves?
The name can remain the same or not, but the design will be a new one. They really need the experience of BFR to define any upcoming rockets. And of course, there needs to be an actual demand for such big rockets. Currently even BFR could struggle to find clients requiring all that payload, probably launching several payloads at once to make the launch worth it.
somebody call me a big f-in taxi to the first launch
The name can remain the same or not but the design will be a new one. They really need the experience of BFR to define any upcoming rockets.And of course there needs to be an actual demand for such big rockets. Currently even BFR could struggle to find clients requiring all that payload probably launching several payloads at once to make the launch worth it.
somebody call me a big f-in taxi to the first launch
It’s to be expected, so long as the demand is there; Rockets just get better as they get larger, within limits we’re nowhere near.
It’s to be expected so long as the demand is there; Rockets just get better as they get larger within limits we’re nowhere near.
Musk specifically stated that he was aiming for the Tin-Tin rocket. No joke.
Musk specifically stated that he was aiming for the Tin-Tin rocket. No joke.
Musk specifically stated that he was aiming for the Tin-Tin rocket. No joke.
Musk specifically stated that he was aiming for the Tin-Tin rocket. No joke.
It’s to be expected, so long as the demand is there; Rockets just get better as they get larger, within limits we’re nowhere near.
It’s to be expected so long as the demand is there; Rockets just get better as they get larger within limits we’re nowhere near.
The name can remain the same or not, but the design will be a new one. They really need the experience of BFR to define any upcoming rockets. And of course, there needs to be an actual demand for such big rockets. Currently even BFR could struggle to find clients requiring all that payload, probably launching several payloads at once to make the launch worth it.
The name can remain the same or not but the design will be a new one. They really need the experience of BFR to define any upcoming rockets.And of course there needs to be an actual demand for such big rockets. Currently even BFR could struggle to find clients requiring all that payload probably launching several payloads at once to make the launch worth it.
somebody call me a big f-in taxi to the first launch
somebody call me a big f-in taxi to the first launch
Musk specifically stated that he was aiming for the Tin-Tin rocket. No joke.
It’s to be expected, so long as the demand is there; Rockets just get better as they get larger, within limits we’re nowhere near.
The name can remain the same or not, but the design will be a new one. They really need the experience of BFR to define any upcoming rockets.
And of course, there needs to be an actual demand for such big rockets. Currently even BFR could struggle to find clients requiring all that payload, probably launching several payloads at once to make the launch worth it.
somebody call me a big f-in taxi to the first launch
I think he pulled a spacecraft with 42 engines out of thin air, it was an arbitrary first design target. BFR seems like the sweet-spot to me because the first stage booster puts the spacecraft just outside the atmosphere at speed, and the second stage is sized for re-entry. Sure you could build a bigger spacecraft for marginal gains but there is a limit here, just like the 747 is too big for most passenger routes, the twin-jet is the sweet spot when it comes to passenger travel. If BFR is the 737 then the analogous 787 rocket will probably be only marginally bigger than the BFR, and unless there is a need to launch a single payload that size then there is really not a huge incentive to go bigger and bigger, there needs to be “manageable chunks”.
I think he pulled a spacecraft with 42 engines out of thin air it was an arbitrary first design target. BFR seems like the sweet-spot to me because the first stage booster puts the spacecraft just outside the atmosphere at speed and the second stage is sized for re-entry. Sure you could build a bigger spacecraft for marginal gains but there is a limit here just like the 747 is too big for most passenger routes the twin-jet is the sweet spot when it comes to passenger travel. If BFR is the 737 then the analogous 787 rocket will probably be only marginally bigger than the BFR and unless there is a need to launch a single payload that size then there is really not a huge incentive to go bigger and bigger there needs to be manageable chunks””.”””
Maybe they go with a Heavy BFR, where they use a 2-3 BFR boosters and put a monster cargo, fuel, or man rated vehicle on the second stage. They could get to 200-300 tons with full reuse that way as well.
Maybe they go with a Heavy BFR where they use a 2-3 BFR boosters and put a monster cargo fuel or man rated vehicle on the second stage. They could get to 200-300 tons with full reuse that way as well.
I am making a prediction. Sure it’s not what they have currently planned, but it is what they originally wanted. If we have learned anything from the F9 progression and the FH, along with the current BFR plans, it is that SpaceX believes in scaling up. that is what the ITS is, a scaled up BFR. Just like the BFR will start with non-vacuum raptors and a 100T lift capacity it will eventually replace the engines with vacuum versions. I don’t think it is a stretch to think they might scale up the final version of the BFR into something that resembles the ITS if they are initially successful and have the money to do so.
I am making a prediction. Sure it’s not what they have currently planned but it is what they originally wanted. If we have learned anything from the F9 progression and the FH along with the current BFR plans it is that SpaceX believes in scaling up. that is what the ITS is a scaled up BFR. Just like the BFR will start with non-vacuum raptors and a 100T lift capacity it will eventually replace the engines with vacuum versions. I don’t think it is a stretch to think they might scale up the final version of the BFR into something that resembles the ITS if they are initially successful and have the money to do so.
Is the BFR looking more, and more like Buck Rodgers’ space ship as it evolves?
Is the BFR looking more and more like Buck Rodgers’ space ship as it evolves?
Elon has said at the International Space Congress that future generations of BFR will get bigger and bigger. So we know that much.
Elon has said at the International Space Congress that future generations of BFR will get bigger and bigger. So we know that much.
That’s what he wants you to think.
I thought BFR was just the new design of ITS? You’re saying they’re two entirely separate designs and ITS is still planned? This is documented somewhere? I got from all his speeches on BFR that this is the new design, there is no other design.
I thought BFR was just the new design of ITS? You’re saying they’re two entirely separate designs and ITS is still planned? This is documented somewhere? I got from all his speeches on BFR that this is the new design there is no other design.
People forget that while canceled at the moment, SpaceX ultimately plans to build the ITS. Which would have a launch capacity of 300 tons and be reusable. It was shelved essentially because they realized the development cost was too high for current cash flow in the launch market (probably double to tipple that of the BFR, which they have since also staged the development of for cost/cash flow reasons due to overall demand). I bet if Starlink takes off and gives them the huge cash flow they hope, they would re-start the ITS project.
People forget that while canceled at the moment SpaceX ultimately plans to build the ITS. Which would have a launch capacity of 300 tons and be reusable. It was shelved essentially because they realized the development cost was too high for current cash flow in the launch market (probably double to tipple that of the BFR which they have since also staged the development of for cost/cash flow reasons due to overall demand). I bet if Starlink takes off and gives them the huge cash flow they hope they would re-start the ITS project.
I think he pulled a spacecraft with 42 engines out of thin air, it was an arbitrary first design target. BFR seems like the sweet-spot to me because the first stage booster puts the spacecraft just outside the atmosphere at speed, and the second stage is sized for re-entry. Sure you could build a bigger spacecraft for marginal gains but there is a limit here, just like the 747 is too big for most passenger routes, the twin-jet is the sweet spot when it comes to passenger travel. If BFR is the 737 then the analogous 787 rocket will probably be only marginally bigger than the BFR, and unless there is a need to launch a single payload that size then there is really not a huge incentive to go bigger and bigger, there needs to be “manageable chunks”.
Maybe they go with a Heavy BFR, where they use a 2-3 BFR boosters and put a monster cargo, fuel, or man rated vehicle on the second stage. They could get to 200-300 tons with full reuse that way as well.
You are right but it will probably be bigger than the ITS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwLWfaAg-8&t=34m26s
“While this vehicle seems quite large (and is large by comparison with other rockets), I think the future spacecraft will make this look like a rowboat.”
I am making a prediction. Sure it’s not what they have currently planned, but it is what they originally wanted. If we have learned anything from the F9 progression and the FH, along with the current BFR plans, it is that SpaceX believes in scaling up. that is what the ITS is, a scaled up BFR. Just like the BFR will start with non-vacuum raptors and a 100T lift capacity it will eventually replace the engines with vacuum versions. I don’t think it is a stretch to think they might scale up the final version of the BFR into something that resembles the ITS if they are initially successful and have the money to do so.
Is the BFR looking more, and more like Buck Rodgers’ space ship as it evolves?
Elon has said at the International Space Congress that future generations of BFR will get bigger and bigger. So we know that much.
That’s what he wants you to think.
I thought BFR was just the new design of ITS? You’re saying they’re two entirely separate designs and ITS is still planned? This is documented somewhere? I got from all his speeches on BFR that this is the new design, there is no other design.
People forget that while canceled at the moment, SpaceX ultimately plans to build the ITS. Which would have a launch capacity of 300 tons and be reusable. It was shelved essentially because they realized the development cost was too high for current cash flow in the launch market (probably double to tipple that of the BFR, which they have since also staged the development of for cost/cash flow reasons due to overall demand). I bet if Starlink takes off and gives them the huge cash flow they hope, they would re-start the ITS project.