Google funded three cold fusion experiments and developed more advanced calorimeters that operate reliably under extreme conditions, and techniques for producing and characterizing highly hydrided metals — that could benefit other areas of energy and fusion research.
Google revisited Cold Fusion with better funding and a high caliber science teams.
They did not confirm cold fusion.
They tested three ways to get to cold fusion. Two methods involved palladium and hydrogen, and one involving metallic powders and hydrogen. None found evidence of fusion. The results have been published across 12 papers over the past 2 years: 9 in peer-reviewed journals and 3 on the arXiv preprint server.
Google’s team was made up of 30 researchers who had no strong opinions on cold fusion. All had access to each other’s data and apparatus, and could review each other’s work.
Researchers say that both palladium experiments warrant further study. The hypothesized effects in the tritium experiment could be too small to measure with current equipment, they suggest. The team also says that further work could produce stable samples at extremely high deuterium concentrations, where interesting effects might occur.
SOURCES – Nature, Eurekalert, Google
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37 thoughts on “Google’s $10 Million Cold-fusion Team Made the Best Calorimeters and Open Science Investigation”
I need money to develop cold Fusion reactor with D+ implantation trigger.
refer to https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6329-new-coldfusion-electric-power-generator-with-d-gas-flow-trigger-to-create-d2-in/?postID=140448#post140479
Marc, don’t waste your breath with this guy. His statements are nonsense. New customers pay for the heat production, not for other customers. If Rossi’s device didn’t work, it would not produce useful quantities of heat for up to a year. We’re talking about up to 600C of heat with minor amounts of input electricity. The device is not big enough to hide a heat producing device of this magnitude for this length of time were it not for the internal technology.
I agree with your earlier advice. Thanks.
Research the research. It’s real. It will take a genius to figure out the last 10%. Another Eureka Moment! Another Tesla type.
I really hope they fund this for another $10 million. It sounds like they did good science, not just because of the superior testing apparatuses they invented, but because of how they agreed early on that they have to publish everything, especially negative results. Not enough research is emphasizing the importance of failure.
For a multi-billion dollar company, $10 million on cold fusion is also a very low risk high reward bet. Another 10 just to put a bow on it seems like it could have worthwhile results too.
Most pyramid schemes don’t last long. It is really simple though, i agree with you there. new customers pay for existing customers until the whole thing collapses. Most are over within a decade.
the e-cat has demonstrated nothing to date that either validates the claim of fusion (much less cold fusion). isotopic compositions suggests nothing is happening.
Ok…for starters you have no idea how a pyramid scheme works if you think it applies in this situation. It is really simple…Rossi installs his e-cat….Rossi gives customer 20% reduction in price of original power bill….Rossi pays power bill. Rossi pockets difference. Rossi also has multiple customers. If the e-cat is fake than this is the FASTEST way to go broke on a scam ever.
The term pyramid scheme comes to mind, profits and losses can be hidden as long as there are new customers.
objective validation would be if other people could replicate his results, but nothing so far, no isotopes, no 3rd party validations.
Good luck with yet another free energy scam.
New Brunswick Power electric utility in Canada funded “self-sustaining” energy breakthrough with $13 million for ongoing partnership producing highly competitive hydrogen fuel safely stored in raw ocean water. Naturegie in France is building a factory to mass produce the Joi Scientific breakthrough technology. The world’s largest boat & yacht retailer has been involved for 10 years & will demonstrate how raw seawater will power boats, yacht’s & ships. The proprietary technology has been tested by independent science labs “off-site” the Space Life Sciences Laboratory at Kennedy Space Center where Joi Scientific is headquartered.
Don’t bother Rich…they are brain washed over here. Just wait for the results from the customers to be published and the bloom energy moment. Then you can come back over here and rub their faces in their own chit till the end of time….thats what I plan on doing.
Sweet. What are you going to spend your nobel prize on?
$10 million dollars is nothing when it comes to research. Goddard probably spent the equivalent of that and much longer than 3 years and he never reached space. Does that make spaceflight impossible?
There have been enough studies on cold fusion to suggest anomalous effects may be happening. That this team wasn’t able to replicate those findings yet doesn’t disprove anything.
The article even suggested further studies were warranted, and that even if they don’t find anything related to cold fusion, they’re making significant progress in calorimetry and other areas that haven’t received the attention that maybe they deserve. Google would be smart to continue with this type of research.
Given the way big companies dodge taxation, that *is* our tax dollars.
There are also transmuted elements, However, producing heat at up to 20% less cost than using fossil fuels and avoiding green house gases are worthy results. Rossi is satisfied to make money with this first use while he pursues researching how he an use his device to produce electricity.
I’ll pass on the third grade comment.
So, the only evidence for Fusion is heat production? There is no other way to produce heat?
Someone needs to return to 3rd grade.
That shelf space is still empty at Home Depot…
How exceptional is that?
zzzzzz… Wake me up when they try to reproduce Mills’s CIHT cell.
There are plenty experiments which show cold fusion is real. The results have been documented by many countries including our own. But the Google experimenters decided to do theirs from scratch instead of consulting with those who have spent years setting up their experiments. There is much more to it than simply trying to duplicate the original experiment.
As for Rossi, he is now selling produced heat from his invention. He didn’t ask anyone to buy his device only to buy the heat from it. The device is located in the customer’s location. If it wasn’t real, he wouldn’t be able to produce the heat he is producing from the device.
Why would you believe anyone walking out of a monastery? They say things like “No, I didn’t molest that child”
At least they are looking at it. When I read the history of cold fusion, I have a hard time believing that so many countries and so many companies who are researching it are all wrong. IMO, I am happy that someone respectable with an eye on real effects that may be commercialized is taking a hard look. If it does work, an admittedly long shot, it changes everything. If it doesn’t work at all, well, at least we have a definitive answer and we took a real try at it.
That might be, but we might not share the same schrodinger cat solution.
Itsnot possible something working for you in quantum mechanics will work for others.
Rossi shouldn’t have been believed if he’d walked out of a monastery. Having a history as a con man just cemented it.
I mean, seriously, with his history, how stupid does somebody have to believe anything he says?
Well, maybe by disproving it once and for all, people can stop funding scams, and invest in those start-ups.
And on the off chance that there is an exotic phenomenon to discover, 10 million is a cheap price to pay.
For starter. First thing is, looking at their paper and the team they recruited, they went for guys that had no background in LENR. So you have to reinvent/discover and read shitload of article to get up to date and spent a shitload of time remaking the same experiment/mistakes yet that is ok.
Looking at their experiment they went for 1200K/33atm which gave them a Pd loading <0.875 because above conditions are hard to achieve (acknoledge in their article see: “Notwithstanding the ongoing debate in the cold fusion community about whether high loading is important per se, or whether it induces important secondary phenomena (structural defects, for example), we determined that understanding how to create, characterize and sustain highly hydrided metals would be a priority for our programme.”).
The thing is, if you saw Hagelstein 2017 talk at MIT, it clearly shows that experiment below such loading don’t evidence any anomalous heat (which the authors of the present paper clearly acknowledge).
Is it like in the case of the german professor working on the EM drive. It seems like they chose their operating point (SNR~unity in the case of the EM drive thing they have done) knowning their maybe would not get conclusive results.
Nevermind that and as stated by the author, this paper is a first step as they developed all the method to go forward and they improved the knowledge around palladium loading and clean calorimetry and other important stuff.
I think perhaps cold fusion is possible, just not using anything close to the techniques they have been using/trying. Once powerful universal quantum computers are developed it would not surprise me that using billions upon billions of cold fusion simulation experiments a way to produce cold fusion is discovered. If not several ways.
utterly naive fools believed anything that Rossi said.
Combine cheap muons generated by laser stimulation of UDH with inertial confinement fusion-presto chango-helium pops out of the hat!
old case of cold fusion
palladium experiments aye quantum podcast
What category of fusion…
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Google astronomy fusion podcast
I actually don’t mind Google spending their $ on this.
They should have put that money into one of the many small hot (aka real) fusion start-ups rather than waste it on such scam science.
super long shot…but Google has the money to waste on long shots, better them then our tax dollars.
Rossi said about ~8 years ago he was cranking out 1MW e-cats like hot cakes from his many robotized factories, are you saying those claims were fallacious?
Rossi’s ‘cold fusion’ scam, which magically just made the ‘natural’ isotope mix for copper. LOL
But but we all know that cold fusion doesn’t produce isotopes…
Google wastes $10M on cold fusion scams…
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