Tesla FSD, Factory, 4680 Battery and Cybertruck Updates

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Elon Musk said the wide beta release of Full Self Driving will not be with the current version 9. It will be with version 10 or version 11.

Troy Teslike indicates that Giga Texas will start production with Cybertruck using 4680 cells in structural battery packs.

The Texas Factory is about 71% complete and should be fully complete by December 2021. The Texas Factory can start production before it is fully complete. Berlin is also at a similar completion level. Tesla Berlin will take several months longer to have ites 4680 battery production ready. Tesla Berlin will start producing cars with 4680 batteries sent from Giga Texas.

SOURCES- Troy Teslike, Elon Musk, the Tesla Space,
Written By Brian Wang, Nextbigfuture.com (Brian owns shares of Tesla)

30 thoughts on “Tesla FSD, Factory, 4680 Battery and Cybertruck Updates”

  1. wasting the momentum/deltaV would be criminal in a fuduciary responsibility sense, which is why a serious downmass economy will be using some way to extract that momentum from downmass.

  2. Assuming Tesla doesn't slip in something like Toyota did with the 2022 Landcruisers forbidding resale (in an abortive attempt to stop them from being sold to war regions as Technicals due to extreme popularity by third world groups as reliable and expedient light fighting vehicles…)

  3. The demand doesn't matter, they aren't making it, or the semi,as I posted earlier, they can't be built with current battery tech.
    There will be plenty of Rivian,GMC's,and Ford F-150's,slow at first and quickly accelerating.
    Ford and GM can build them for much less as they already build millions of similar ICE pick ups and get volume discounts on materials.

  4. so pessimistic… forget not that pick-up purchases (new) are nearly 1M annually — reasonable interest, no?

  5. I think the solution for both entering orbit, and reentering will be a "Rotovator" tether rotating in orbit. Something like the super-heavy booster will take something like starship just outside the atmosphere, and return to earth. The starship will dock with the tip of the tether near it's perigee, and be carried to orbit, needing little fuel. Cargo could descend either in a starship, or an unpressurized cargo container, to be picked up by the super-heavy. The reentering, and ascending loads need to be more or less balanced over the short term. Too much mass going up, and the tether dips into the atmosphere, too much reentering the orbit gets too high.
    Once in orbit, more tethers, or momentum exchange by folded laser beams make conventional fuels unnecessary. The energy and momentum to keep the whole system going is supplied by lunar materials, and manufactured goods falling into earth's gravity well.

  6. The only thing I don't like about the cyber truck is the name. The minimalist design, the body made of steel plate, instead of sheet metal, and the sheer capability of the thing appeal to the engineer in me. I particularly like the huge tow rating.
    I'll likely buy one, if they increase the price too much, I'll get a used one.

  7. Probably so, since Tesla takes forever to deliver repair parts, and no doubt they would be high. Besides, it's different would require some different equipment, and body shops don't like different, so not many would do it.
    Aluminum castings are brittle compared to steel, so repairing them is problematic. There are relatively few shops that will repair aluminum car wheels for that reason. I once had one bent back into round. It balanced well, but had a slow leak probably caused by a tiny crack. I painted the inside of the wheel with some epoxy paint, and the leak stopped. It's my spare now.
    It is possible to weld aluminum by TIG(tungsten electrode inert gas blanket), so if the casting broke before bending much(likely) a fairly skilled welder might be able to put it back together. I worked at a plant that built class 8 trucks, with aluminum cab bodies held together with epoxy, and self piercing rivets like models S, and X use. There were some guys there that could weld pieces of aluminum sheet over damaged body parts. Sanded down you couldn't tell there was ever damage.
    If I had an aluminum body car, and it was damaged, I would go to a place that did truck body work, since many of them have aluminum bodies. I suspect all class 8 trucks now have aluminum bodies, so they should have the skills to repair aluminum body cars. To have those big castings repaired you might be best going to a welding shop that did a lot of nonferrous work.

  9. Never is a long time.

    I bet people 200 years ago would never dream of shipping heavy machinery (like a 2 tonne 4 wheel drive horseless carriage with the power of 250 horses) from the distant orient to Europe as being cheaper than making it at home either.

  10. In the 80s, there were plans to use Argon if needed, or N2, or O2 as needed, just ice at first, to coat the reentry pod or bleed out to cool. Make the pods big and light, as they themselves are product from Space. Remember, there will be abundant fuel in Space, so tugs could slow and drop the pods, then go back into orbit. Theories abound!

    Naturally, you are right that this will be after things are going for In Space Mfg and Resource Use, ISMRU, as this first use avoids launch costs, very important. Unless the need for micr0g arises. We should do some experiments! For existing products, the free energy, convenient micr0g, free high g, free vacuum, let the market decide. We need an alloy that is only made in micr0g, is strong enuf to reenter w/o melting, or easy in some way. That has a market on Earth.

  11. Maybe in 100 years. For it to happen globally, it will have to be cheaper than doing it here on earth. I guess reducing aluminum, and titanium oxides, and shipping the metal to earth might be doable. Maybe you could land a aluminum, and titanium reentry vehicle, and cut it up.

  12. Building up a backlog of the castings is a good idea, not only as a buffer in case a press breaks down, but so they are available for vehicle repair. Anything more than a very minor accident in a model Y will require new castings. You will not be able to bend them back into shape like you can with a steel chassis.

  13. The 4680, and structural pack lower the cost of vehicles, so they will be in all Tesla products as soon as humanly possible. If the compact model 2 gets built, I'd bet it would start with structural pack, and castings in an effort to make it as cheap as possible, as well as easy to assemble.
    The structural pack lends itself to vehicles that use front, and rear castings. I'd bet the model 3 gets a complete chassis make over, with structural pack, and castings, rather than retaining the weldment front, and rear now used.

  15. Interesting! I would add that the first thing we have to *burn* from Space is energy, or just excess Earth solar or wind energy that is environmentally free, so to speak, which will greatly help re cycling of atoms.

  16. agreed.
    most interesting early stages of one technology that I never thought would come to pass in any meaningful way…
    Actual progress on 'Closed Loop Recycling'. wow.
    https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210725-eastman.html
    Thought it does beg refinement on the standards: upcycling, down-cycling, service life losses, price jumps, long-term subsidizing, material supply lines, even… dare to dream it…. in some far off future…. never a virgin material to be excavated/ exploited/ recovered again…

  17. Of course, the initial product, energy, is power beamed back directly, as photons. see pg 7 and A-4 bot and A-2 mid for LSP description

    https://space.nss.org/wp-content/uploads/Space-Based-Solar-Power-Opportunity-for-Strategic-Security-assessment.pdf

    Search Criswell LSP find searchanddiscovery link. Start LSP with Earth to Earth power beam *grid* as on ppg 12-13, altho it has no mention of Earth cells or wind as source! Combine Earth to Earth power beaming with the following story for goodness:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/renewable-energy-costs-freefall-could-172240870.html

    Think how different these stories could be if more understood Earth to Earth power beaming:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/g20-fails-agree-phasing-coal-150401794.html

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/net-zero-narrative-riddled-holes-190000368.html

  18. Oh baby! All ideas welcome. I suspect simple re entry pods to be made of material to also be used on Earth, for jewelry or what not. The first products will be used in Space, to avoid launch costs. Then as they are more easily made in Space, or can only be made in micr0g Space, manna.

  19. Giant space storks will deliver the space-created products back to earth. I saw it all in a dream.

  22. When will the new batteries find their way into a 3, as I’m not a farmer nor in the construction trades and have zero interest in a truck? The only question that no one seems to have an answer to.

  23. they have over over a million reservations currently. The only disappointment will be the delivery speed

  24. I have no first hand knowledge but from watching the construction videos I'd think the cybertruck is between 9 to 12 months from coming out the door. There have been at least two body in white model Y delivered into the building. Which suggests they are calibrating robots to the carcass, for painting. There is currently two model Y giga casting machines WORKING at the site. They don't have floors poured or any sign of foundation work for the enormous cybertruck casting machine.

  27. And each year do we reenter millions of tons of goods from Space to Earth?

    Also it won't happen until its economical which is a polite way of saying "never". As entertaining as it is to imagine that SpaceX will perform an orbital delivery of Teslas made in space I can't say strongly enough that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

  29. Cybertruck success is very dependent on fleet purchases and commercial license Contractor buying. Off the lot to the basic consumer will be slow.

  30. ""This sounds fantastical, what I'm about to tell you, but it will happen. We can move all heavy industry and all polluting industry off of Earth and operate it in space," he said."

    https://news.yahoo.com/jeff-bezos-says-polluting-industries-113100961.html

    Here is the latest:

    https://www.bis-space.com/membership/jbis/2019/JBIS-v72-no09-September-October-2019%20-%20Subscription%20Copy.pdf

    And another self humiliating O'Neill ignorant journalist:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeff-bezos-perfectly-happy-gushing-090058579.html

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