All successful countries copy technology and methods

All successful countries copy what works in the leading countries.

Dr. Michael Pillsbury pretends as if China’s copying of US technology for forty years was some kind of deception or was in some way unique.

In 1812, American Francis Cabot Lowell was a leading Boston merchant who imported a great deal of British cloth and had solid relations with his British counterparts. He toured British cotton plants. Lowells’ bags were searched for stolen designs for power textile weaving machinery. This was a serious crime in England. Lowell memorized the designs. Americans were also desperate to replicate Britain’s famed Sheffield steel which was the best in the world. But the best Sheffield craftsmen the United States could buy failed to replicate it.

Capitalism in its modern form was first developed in the Netherlands and England in the sixteenth to seventeenth centuries.

The Japanese knew that they were behind the Western world when American Commodore Matthew C. Perry came to Japan in 1853 in large warships with armament and technology that far outclassed those of Japan with the intent to conclude a treaty that would open up Japanese ports to trade. Japan threw open its doors to foreign technology and copied other successful aspects of the western countries. After WW2, Japan resumed copying and gained success in electronics and cars.

China fell behind and stayed behind for 100 years because China closed itself to Western innovation and technology. Lack of copying doomed China to fall behind for decades. Parts of what was China that started copying first had more success. Hong Kong and Taiwan opened up and copied starting in 1950.

Taiwan and South Korea followed Japan by copying US technology. Taiwan and South Korea also had student study in the USA and Europe and many returned to their home countries and were critical in the success of building up the major technology companies.

Why would Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea be able to succeed and copy technology and build industries and China not be able to succeed and copy? Japan and many leading countries in Europe have 80% of the per capita GDP of the USA.

If China gets to 80% of the per capita GDP of the USA around 2060 then China would have three times the overall economy as the USA. The US was willing to tear down and change cities more than Europe. Europe preserved more of its older roads and construction. China is willing to build megacities and create high-speed connections to create larger efficiencies than the US is doing. The willingness to rebuild and change and reorganize for high-efficiency is a 10-20% per capita advantage for China.

100 thoughts on “All successful countries copy technology and methods”

  1. Copying is inevitable – the US has done it for centuries. What matters is thinking of new ideas and running with them which is what the US has been great at. Those beach boys in California are the free thinkers who can beat the autocratic systems any time.

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  2. Copying is inevitable – the US has done it for centuries. What matters is thinking of new ideas and running with them which is what the US has been great at. Those beach boys in California are the free thinkers who can beat the autocratic systems any time.

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  3. Yes. All good things involve a lot of ‘cultural appropriation’. There are superior & inferior cultures & the most important thing that makes a culture superior is the attitude that ‘Those bloody heathen barbarian furriners might know something worth learning’.

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  4. You know, Vuukle’s been blocking about one in four of the comments I make, saying “You’ve already commented in this conversation.” Sometimes it lets me comment only once, sometimes twice, sometimes not at all. Brian, can you talk to the Vuukle guys to make sure that their user auth process is sane?

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  5. Yes.All good things involve a lot of ‘cultural appropriation’.There are superior & inferior cultures & the most important thing that makes a culture superior is the attitude that ‘Those bloody heathen barbarian furriners might know something worth learning’.

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  6. You know Vuukle’s been blocking about one in four of the comments I make saying You’ve already commented in this conversation.”” Sometimes it lets me comment only once”” sometimes twice sometimes not at all. Brian”” can you talk to the Vuukle guys to make sure that their user auth process is sane?”””

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  7. China pays tens of billions each year for foreign intellectual property licenses. Why would they pay money if they were “stealing ip” as you falsely claim?

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  8. I’ve had the same thing happen to me. Vuukle sacrifices a lot of prior functionality in return for the promise of reliability, but it doesn’t seem to be delivering on the reliability.

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  9. There is a difference between people in countries copying each other and active government coordinated theft of technologies on a massive scale, with military units dedicated to hacking for this purpose. As bad as that is though, militarizing the S. China Sea added an element of national security through an antagonistic relationship that cannot be ignored. We learned the folly of appeasement of autocrats during the lead up to WW2 and have no desire to make that mistake again.

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  10. The Chinese govt is running a racket in trying to coerce foreign companies into handing over their intellectual property. This is an organized state-run program of coercion and espionage. By Brian’s standards, the word espionage shouldn’t even exist, since it’s merely about partaking in existing knowledge. NBF is just a shill for the authoritarian regime in Beijing, endorsing whatever stuntsmanship it pursues.

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  11. China pays tens of billions each year for foreign intellectual property licenses. Why would they pay money if they were stealing ip”” as you falsely claim?”””

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  12. I’ve had the same thing happen to me.Vuukle sacrifices a lot of prior functionality in return for the promise of reliability but it doesn’t seem to be delivering on the reliability.

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  13. There is a difference between people in countries copying each other and active government coordinated theft of technologies on a massive scale with military units dedicated to hacking for this purpose. As bad as that is though militarizing the S. China Sea added an element of national security through an antagonistic relationship that cannot be ignored. We learned the folly of appeasement of autocrats during the lead up to WW2 and have no desire to make that mistake again.

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  14. The Chinese govt is running a racket in trying to coerce foreign companies into handing over their intellectual property. This is an organized state-run program of coercion and espionage. By Brian’s standards the word espionage shouldn’t even exist since it’s merely about partaking in existing knowledge. NBF is just a shill for the authoritarian regime in Beijing endorsing whatever stuntsmanship it pursues.

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  15. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results, there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it. All countries do it to get a leg up on their competitor(s), and they will continue to do so as long as it align with their strategic goals.

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  16. Why should he? NBF is big leagues now. So Brian doesn’t have to deal with the headache of comments like he did before. That means he can find the skankiest, cheapest (as in…free or nearly free) commenting system there is, slap in the JS includes and forget about it, basically. You can see I am correct by trying to look up the SolidOpinion comments for older, pre-Vuukle articles that were promised to be restored but never were.

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  17. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it. All countries do it to get a leg up on their competitor(s) and they will continue to do so as long as it align with their strategic goals.

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  18. Why should he? NBF is big leagues now. So Brian doesn’t have to deal with the headache of comments like he did before. That means he can find the skankiest cheapest (as in…free or nearly free) commenting system there is slap in the JS includes and forget about it basically.You can see I am correct by trying to look up the SolidOpinion comments for older pre-Vuukle articles that were promised to be restored but never were.

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  19. As far as we all know, the companies made a conscious decision to share their IP to access the market, interesting to see they are all acting like crybabies now.

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  20. As far as we all know the companies made a conscious decision to share their IP to access the market interesting to see they are all acting like crybabies now.

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  21. An old English saying, “by hook or by crook” and “if you cannot beat them, join them”. Well, the West taught the Chinese when the West forced the door of China opened to the West in the form of “Opium War” in 1850s, so, the Chinese learn and copy everything they need to learn from the West. Don’t blame anyone because the West taught the Chinese all these.

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  22. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results, there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it.” I’ll be interested to see how that argument stands up in court.

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  23. An old English saying by hook or by crook”” and “”””if you cannot beat them”””” join them””””. Well”””” the West taught the Chinese when the West forced the door of China opened to the West in the form of “”””Opium War”””” in 1850s”” so”” the Chinese learn and copy everything they need to learn from the West. Don’t blame anyone because the West taught the Chinese all these.”””

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  24. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results” there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it.””I’ll be interested to see how that argument stands up in court.”””

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  25. That is like equating killing your sweet little mother to killing a prisoner on death row. There is no difference…same result…someone dead…all just spin.

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  26. The European countries and most of the Western world have managed to be civil and avoid stealing intellectual property. Why is it asking so much to expect the Chinese to play by the same rule book? Patents expire. Using expired stuff is borrowing, but is perfectly fine, it is available to anyone. The Chinese just are not willing to wait. And companies violating copyrights? That is lower than low. That is outright fraud. There can be no justification for stealing someones artistic creation…make something of merit yourself.

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  27. That is like equating killing your sweet little mother to killing a prisoner on death row. There is no difference…same result…someone dead…all just spin.

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  28. The European countries and most of the Western world have managed to be civil and avoid stealing intellectual property. Why is it asking so much to expect the Chinese to play by the same rule book?Patents expire. Using expired stuff is borrowing but is perfectly fine it is available to anyone. The Chinese just are not willing to wait. And companies violating copyrights? That is lower than low. That is outright fraud. There can be no justification for stealing someones artistic creation…make something of merit yourself.

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  29. Chinese scientists totally dominate the U.S. in the number of native-born Chinese as authors and co-authurs within international-level peer-reviewed scientific literature, from molecular biology (like cancer research) to materials physics (like jet engines) to mathematics (like the Google algorithm). Granted, if in the U.S. universities, many of the senior article authors are of European ancestry, proportionally. However, Chinese universities are rapidly catching up to the West and in the U.S., many laboratories where are very heavily populated with Chinese graduate student scientists. In the U.S. woman are rapidly overcoming young men as PhD science candidates. The U.S. male and the entire U.S. working class are left in the dust to less often being qualified to enter top research universities. Chinese born students are much better prepared in mathematics education upon graduating secondary school and baccalaureate. The leaders in the U.S. are mostly lawyers and are not aware of the exponential Chinese ascent scientifically. I applaud China on that. The U.S. should wake up and stop playing stupid trade and military games with China, who is now capitalist. In less than a generation, the U.S. will be comparative “toast” of its own making.

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  30. Not the scenario at all. The ones that are there would probably prefer that things stayed as they were. Now their goods will be harder to sell in the U.S. Those who did not sell their souls to manufacture in China and went some other place are now happy clams.

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  31. In my opinion the Chinese government is handling this all wrong. The reality is that the Chinese are making millions of engineers. Those engineers are going to be making new stuff. That stuff will need protection. Better to get the laws in place and enforced now rather than later when the companies become predatory and kill all the really creative companies that will spring up. They simply will stop springing up, if they are repeatedly stomped on. No one will invest in startups with new ideas, because as soon as the idea starts to look promising the big guys will pounce. Investors will figure that out very fast. You will have graduated millions and millions of engineers for nothing. They can’t work. They will just emigrate to some other country where they will try to get their credentials accepted…perhaps going to school another two years. And tariffs? Just accept the terms, no tariff ether way. There costs are still lower, so how would it hurt them? The faster this is agreed to the better the Chinese economy will be. Why wait until all the American corporations move to home or to India or Malaysia or wherever? I thought the Chinese government was fairly bright…but this is stupid.

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  32. Chinese scientists totally dominate the U.S. in the number of native-born Chinese as authors and co-authurs within international-level peer-reviewed scientific literature from molecular biology (like cancer research) to materials physics (like jet engines) to mathematics (like the Google algorithm). Granted if in the U.S. universities many of the senior article authors are of European ancestry proportionally. However Chinese universities are rapidly catching up to the West and in the U.S. many laboratories where are very heavily populated with Chinese graduate student scientists. In the U.S. woman are rapidly overcoming young men as PhD science candidates. The U.S. male and the entire U.S. working class are left in the dust to less often being qualified to enter top research universities. Chinese born students are much better prepared in mathematics education upon graduating secondary school and baccalaureate. The leaders in the U.S. are mostly lawyers and are not aware of the exponential Chinese ascent scientifically. I applaud China on that. The U.S. should wake up and stop playing stupid trade and military games with China who is now capitalist. In less than a generation the U.S. will be comparative toast”” of its own making.”””

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  33. Not the scenario at all. The ones that are there would probably prefer that things stayed as they were. Now their goods will be harder to sell in the U.S. Those who did not sell their souls to manufacture in China and went some other place are now happy clams.

    Reply
  34. In my opinion the Chinese government is handling this all wrong. The reality is that the Chinese are making millions of engineers. Those engineers are going to be making new stuff. That stuff will need protection. Better to get the laws in place and enforced now rather than later when the companies become predatory and kill all the really creative companies that will spring up. They simply will stop springing up if they are repeatedly stomped on. No one will invest in startups with new ideas because as soon as the idea starts to look promising the big guys will pounce. Investors will figure that out very fast. You will have graduated millions and millions of engineers for nothing. They can’t work. They will just emigrate to some other country where they will try to get their credentials accepted…perhaps going to school another two years.And tariffs? Just accept the terms no tariff ether way. There costs are still lower so how would it hurt them?The faster this is agreed to the better the Chinese economy will be. Why wait until all the American corporations move to home or to India or Malaysia or wherever?I thought the Chinese government was fairly bright…but this is stupid.

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  35. Nutrition is what we need to fix, particularly very early on. Pregnant mothers need more iodine, choline, fresh fruit (7+ servings a day) and fish. Iodine levels are plummeting. Nearly third world levels now because Americans have stopped using iodized salt, people are shifting to fake milk like almond milk that has no iodine and we don’t eat much kelp. Iodine, choline, and fresh fruit during pregnancy are proven to raise IQ. Baby food makers push DHA but I think you are better off eating fish…other than the few varieties that are likely to have a lot of mercury, to get it. You want to avoid large amounts of iodized salt? Get an iodine supplement. I got a 1 fluid oz bottle where one drop is 1220% and take one drop a week (I think the government recommended level is a little low). $12 and it will last a very long time at a drop a week. It says “610 drops”. That is like 12 years. Pregnant? maybe 2 drops a week. Official pregnancy recommendation is 220 micrograms/day. Breastfeeding 290 micrograms/day. But safe levels are well above that. I wouldn’t go crazy and take a drop a day of that really concentrated stuff or anything. You can always dilute the drop by putting it in some liquid in the fridge and drinking a portion of that every day. Neglect nutrition early on and it can’t be fixed. Tutoring may help a bit, but that is a lot more expensive. And we need to get lead exposure way down. Ban the use of lead in brass keys, faucets/valves and other plumbing, aviation gas (avgas), and test all farmed products to insure there is no lead…especially baby food. The latest tests says over 20% of American baby food has lead in it. Grape juice, apple juice, sweet potatoes, and carrots are especially prone. I bought a part for a tub faucet and is said “lead free”. But in small print in the back side it still had 1 or 2% lead. So read the fine print. I think there is good reason to think we can boost IQ well over 10 points with these nutrition change

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  36. Nutrition is what we need to fix particularly very early on. Pregnant mothers need more iodine choline fresh fruit (7+ servings a day) and fish. Iodine levels are plummeting. Nearly third world levels now because Americans have stopped using iodized salt people are shifting to fake milk like almond milk that has no iodine and we don’t eat much kelp.Iodine choline and fresh fruit during pregnancy are proven to raise IQ. Baby food makers push DHA but I think you are better off eating fish…other than the few varieties that are likely to have a lot of mercury to get it.You want to avoid large amounts of iodized salt? Get an iodine supplement. I got a 1 fluid oz bottle where one drop is 1220{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} and take one drop a week (I think the government recommended level is a little low). $12 and it will last a very long time at a drop a week. It says 610 drops””. That is like 12 years. Pregnant? maybe 2 drops a week. Official pregnancy recommendation is 220 micrograms/day. Breastfeeding 290 micrograms/day. But safe levels are well above that. I wouldn’t go crazy and take a drop a day of that really concentrated stuff or anything. You can always dilute the drop by putting it in some liquid in the fridge and drinking a portion of that every day. Neglect nutrition early on and it can’t be fixed. Tutoring may help a bit”” but that is a lot more expensive.And we need to get lead exposure way down. Ban the use of lead in brass keys faucets/valves and other plumbing aviation gas (avgas) and test all farmed products to insure there is no lead…especially baby food. The latest tests says over 20{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of American baby food has lead in it. Grape juice apple juice sweet potatoes”” and carrots are especially prone.I bought a part for a tub faucet and is said “”””lead free””””. But in small print in the back side it still had 1 o”

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  37. All successful COMPANIES in the west copy technology and methods. For example apple and SUN (solaris OS) sued each other Oracle sued Google for stealing Java technologies Apple and Samsung sued each other……. West media amplifies the chinese stealing news for their people who love this kind of stories. In the old days France stole the technology of making china recently US medicine factory stole the method of curing mosquito disease…

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  38. All successful COMPANIES in the west copy technology and methods. For example, apple and SUN (solaris OS) sued each other, Oracle sued Google for stealing Java technologies, Apple and Samsung sued each other,……. West media amplifies the chinese stealing news for their people who love this kind of stories. In the old days, France stole the technology of making china, recently US medicine factory stole the method of curing mosquito disease,…

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  39. All successful COMPANIES in the west copy technology and methods. For example, apple and SUN (solaris OS) sued each other, Oracle sued Google for stealing Java technologies, Apple and Samsung sued each other,……. West media amplifies the chinese stealing news for their people who love this kind of stories. In the old days, France stole the technology of making china, recently US medicine factory stole the method of curing mosquito disease,…

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  40. All successful COMPANIES in the west copy technology and methods. For example apple and SUN (solaris OS) sued each other Oracle sued Google for stealing Java technologies Apple and Samsung sued each other……. West media amplifies the chinese stealing news for their people who love this kind of stories. In the old days France stole the technology of making china recently US medicine factory stole the method of curing mosquito disease…

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  41. All successful COMPANIES in the west copy technology and methods. For example, apple and SUN (solaris OS) sued each other, Oracle sued Google for stealing Java technologies, Apple and Samsung sued each other,……. West media amplifies the chinese stealing news for their people who love this kind of stories.
    In the old days, France stole the technology of making china, recently US medicine factory stole the method of curing mosquito disease,…

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  42. Nutrition is what we need to fix, particularly very early on. Pregnant mothers need more iodine, choline, fresh fruit (7+ servings a day) and fish. Iodine levels are plummeting. Nearly third world levels now because Americans have stopped using iodized salt, people are shifting to fake milk like almond milk that has no iodine and we don’t eat much kelp. Iodine, choline, and fresh fruit during pregnancy are proven to raise IQ. Baby food makers push DHA but I think you are better off eating fish…other than the few varieties that are likely to have a lot of mercury, to get it. You want to avoid large amounts of iodized salt? Get an iodine supplement. I got a 1 fluid oz bottle where one drop is 1220% and take one drop a week (I think the government recommended level is a little low). $12 and it will last a very long time at a drop a week. It says “610 drops”. That is like 12 years. Pregnant? maybe 2 drops a week. Official pregnancy recommendation is 220 micrograms/day. Breastfeeding 290 micrograms/day. But safe levels are well above that. I wouldn’t go crazy and take a drop a day of that really concentrated stuff or anything. You can always dilute the drop by putting it in some liquid in the fridge and drinking a portion of that every day. Neglect nutrition early on and it can’t be fixed. Tutoring may help a bit, but that is a lot more expensive. And we need to get lead exposure way down. Ban the use of lead in brass keys, faucets/valves and other plumbing, aviation gas (avgas), and test all farmed products to insure there is no lead…especially baby food. The latest tests says over 20% of American baby food has lead in it. Grape juice, apple juice, sweet potatoes, and carrots are especially prone. I bought a part for a tub faucet and is said “lead free”. But in small print in the back side it still had 1 or 2% lead. So read the fine print. I think there is good reason to think we can boost IQ well over 10 points with these nutrition change

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  43. Nutrition is what we need to fix particularly very early on. Pregnant mothers need more iodine choline fresh fruit (7+ servings a day) and fish. Iodine levels are plummeting. Nearly third world levels now because Americans have stopped using iodized salt people are shifting to fake milk like almond milk that has no iodine and we don’t eat much kelp.Iodine choline and fresh fruit during pregnancy are proven to raise IQ. Baby food makers push DHA but I think you are better off eating fish…other than the few varieties that are likely to have a lot of mercury to get it.You want to avoid large amounts of iodized salt? Get an iodine supplement. I got a 1 fluid oz bottle where one drop is 1220{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} and take one drop a week (I think the government recommended level is a little low). $12 and it will last a very long time at a drop a week. It says 610 drops””. That is like 12 years. Pregnant? maybe 2 drops a week. Official pregnancy recommendation is 220 micrograms/day. Breastfeeding 290 micrograms/day. But safe levels are well above that. I wouldn’t go crazy and take a drop a day of that really concentrated stuff or anything. You can always dilute the drop by putting it in some liquid in the fridge and drinking a portion of that every day. Neglect nutrition early on and it can’t be fixed. Tutoring may help a bit”” but that is a lot more expensive.And we need to get lead exposure way down. Ban the use of lead in brass keys faucets/valves and other plumbing aviation gas (avgas) and test all farmed products to insure there is no lead…especially baby food. The latest tests says over 20{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of American baby food has lead in it. Grape juice apple juice sweet potatoes”” and carrots are especially prone.I bought a part for a tub faucet and is said “”””lead free””””. But in small print in the back side it still had 1 o”

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  44. Chinese scientists totally dominate the U.S. in the number of native-born Chinese as authors and co-authurs within international-level peer-reviewed scientific literature, from molecular biology (like cancer research) to materials physics (like jet engines) to mathematics (like the Google algorithm). Granted, if in the U.S. universities, many of the senior article authors are of European ancestry, proportionally. However, Chinese universities are rapidly catching up to the West and in the U.S., many laboratories where are very heavily populated with Chinese graduate student scientists. In the U.S. woman are rapidly overcoming young men as PhD science candidates. The U.S. male and the entire U.S. working class are left in the dust to less often being qualified to enter top research universities. Chinese born students are much better prepared in mathematics education upon graduating secondary school and baccalaureate. The leaders in the U.S. are mostly lawyers and are not aware of the exponential Chinese ascent scientifically. I applaud China on that. The U.S. should wake up and stop playing stupid trade and military games with China, who is now capitalist. In less than a generation, the U.S. will be comparative “toast” of its own making.

    Reply
  45. Chinese scientists totally dominate the U.S. in the number of native-born Chinese as authors and co-authurs within international-level peer-reviewed scientific literature from molecular biology (like cancer research) to materials physics (like jet engines) to mathematics (like the Google algorithm). Granted if in the U.S. universities many of the senior article authors are of European ancestry proportionally. However Chinese universities are rapidly catching up to the West and in the U.S. many laboratories where are very heavily populated with Chinese graduate student scientists. In the U.S. woman are rapidly overcoming young men as PhD science candidates. The U.S. male and the entire U.S. working class are left in the dust to less often being qualified to enter top research universities. Chinese born students are much better prepared in mathematics education upon graduating secondary school and baccalaureate. The leaders in the U.S. are mostly lawyers and are not aware of the exponential Chinese ascent scientifically. I applaud China on that. The U.S. should wake up and stop playing stupid trade and military games with China who is now capitalist. In less than a generation the U.S. will be comparative toast”” of its own making.”””

    Reply
  46. Not the scenario at all. The ones that are there would probably prefer that things stayed as they were. Now their goods will be harder to sell in the U.S. Those who did not sell their souls to manufacture in China and went some other place are now happy clams.

    Reply
  47. Not the scenario at all. The ones that are there would probably prefer that things stayed as they were. Now their goods will be harder to sell in the U.S. Those who did not sell their souls to manufacture in China and went some other place are now happy clams.

    Reply
  48. In my opinion the Chinese government is handling this all wrong. The reality is that the Chinese are making millions of engineers. Those engineers are going to be making new stuff. That stuff will need protection. Better to get the laws in place and enforced now rather than later when the companies become predatory and kill all the really creative companies that will spring up. They simply will stop springing up, if they are repeatedly stomped on. No one will invest in startups with new ideas, because as soon as the idea starts to look promising the big guys will pounce. Investors will figure that out very fast. You will have graduated millions and millions of engineers for nothing. They can’t work. They will just emigrate to some other country where they will try to get their credentials accepted…perhaps going to school another two years. And tariffs? Just accept the terms, no tariff ether way. There costs are still lower, so how would it hurt them? The faster this is agreed to the better the Chinese economy will be. Why wait until all the American corporations move to home or to India or Malaysia or wherever? I thought the Chinese government was fairly bright…but this is stupid.

    Reply
  49. In my opinion the Chinese government is handling this all wrong. The reality is that the Chinese are making millions of engineers. Those engineers are going to be making new stuff. That stuff will need protection. Better to get the laws in place and enforced now rather than later when the companies become predatory and kill all the really creative companies that will spring up. They simply will stop springing up if they are repeatedly stomped on. No one will invest in startups with new ideas because as soon as the idea starts to look promising the big guys will pounce. Investors will figure that out very fast. You will have graduated millions and millions of engineers for nothing. They can’t work. They will just emigrate to some other country where they will try to get their credentials accepted…perhaps going to school another two years.And tariffs? Just accept the terms no tariff ether way. There costs are still lower so how would it hurt them?The faster this is agreed to the better the Chinese economy will be. Why wait until all the American corporations move to home or to India or Malaysia or wherever?I thought the Chinese government was fairly bright…but this is stupid.

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  50. That is like equating killing your sweet little mother to killing a prisoner on death row. There is no difference…same result…someone dead…all just spin.

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  51. That is like equating killing your sweet little mother to killing a prisoner on death row. There is no difference…same result…someone dead…all just spin.

    Reply
  52. The European countries and most of the Western world have managed to be civil and avoid stealing intellectual property. Why is it asking so much to expect the Chinese to play by the same rule book? Patents expire. Using expired stuff is borrowing, but is perfectly fine, it is available to anyone. The Chinese just are not willing to wait. And companies violating copyrights? That is lower than low. That is outright fraud. There can be no justification for stealing someones artistic creation…make something of merit yourself.

    Reply
  53. The European countries and most of the Western world have managed to be civil and avoid stealing intellectual property. Why is it asking so much to expect the Chinese to play by the same rule book?Patents expire. Using expired stuff is borrowing but is perfectly fine it is available to anyone. The Chinese just are not willing to wait. And companies violating copyrights? That is lower than low. That is outright fraud. There can be no justification for stealing someones artistic creation…make something of merit yourself.

    Reply
  54. Nutrition is what we need to fix, particularly very early on. Pregnant mothers need more iodine, choline, fresh fruit (7+ servings a day) and fish. Iodine levels are plummeting. Nearly third world levels now because Americans have stopped using iodized salt, people are shifting to fake milk like almond milk that has no iodine and we don’t eat much kelp.

    Iodine, choline, and fresh fruit during pregnancy are proven to raise IQ. Baby food makers push DHA but I think you are better off eating fish…other than the few varieties that are likely to have a lot of mercury, to get it.

    You want to avoid large amounts of iodized salt? Get an iodine supplement. I got a 1 fluid oz bottle where one drop is 1220% and take one drop a week (I think the government recommended level is a little low). $12 and it will last a very long time at a drop a week. It says “610 drops”. That is like 12 years. Pregnant? maybe 2 drops a week. Official pregnancy recommendation is 220 micrograms/day. Breastfeeding 290 micrograms/day. But safe levels are well above that. I wouldn’t go crazy and take a drop a day of that really concentrated stuff or anything. You can always dilute the drop by putting it in some liquid in the fridge and drinking a portion of that every day.

    Neglect nutrition early on and it can’t be fixed. Tutoring may help a bit, but that is a lot more expensive.

    And we need to get lead exposure way down. Ban the use of lead in brass keys, faucets/valves and other plumbing, aviation gas (avgas), and test all farmed products to insure there is no lead…especially baby food. The latest tests says over 20% of American baby food has lead in it. Grape juice, apple juice, sweet potatoes, and carrots are especially prone.

    I bought a part for a tub faucet and is said “lead free”. But in small print in the back side it still had 1 or 2% lead. So read the fine print.

    I think there is good reason to think we can boost IQ well over 10 points with these nutrition changes and avoiding lead. There is also reason to believe crime and heart disease will go down, as well.

    We need to clean up a lot of lead spewed out of cars and trucks for decades and spread all over but mostly within a couple miles or so of the road the cars were on. And there is still plenty of lead paint that needs removed and lead paint dust/chips on the ground near the foundation of most old homes. If you grow plants for food don’t grow them next to the house, or where any old out buildings were/are.

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  55. Chinese scientists totally dominate the U.S. in the number of native-born Chinese as authors and co-authurs within international-level peer-reviewed scientific literature, from molecular biology (like cancer research) to materials physics (like jet engines) to mathematics (like the Google algorithm). Granted, if in the U.S. universities, many of the senior article authors are of European ancestry, proportionally. However, Chinese universities are rapidly catching up to the West and in the U.S., many laboratories where are very heavily populated with Chinese graduate student scientists. In the U.S. woman are rapidly overcoming young men as PhD science candidates. The U.S. male and the entire U.S. working class are left in the dust to less often being qualified to enter top research universities. Chinese born students are much better prepared in mathematics education upon graduating secondary school and baccalaureate. The leaders in the U.S. are mostly lawyers and are not aware of the exponential Chinese ascent scientifically. I applaud China on that. The U.S. should wake up and stop playing stupid trade and military games with China, who is now capitalist. In less than a generation, the U.S. will be comparative “toast” of its own making.

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  56. Not the scenario at all. The ones that are there would probably prefer that things stayed as they were. Now their goods will be harder to sell in the U.S. Those who did not sell their souls to manufacture in China and went some other place are now happy clams.

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  57. In my opinion the Chinese government is handling this all wrong. The reality is that the Chinese are making millions of engineers. Those engineers are going to be making new stuff. That stuff will need protection. Better to get the laws in place and enforced now rather than later when the companies become predatory and kill all the really creative companies that will spring up. They simply will stop springing up, if they are repeatedly stomped on. No one will invest in startups with new ideas, because as soon as the idea starts to look promising the big guys will pounce. Investors will figure that out very fast. You will have graduated millions and millions of engineers for nothing. They can’t work. They will just emigrate to some other country where they will try to get their credentials accepted…perhaps going to school another two years.

    And tariffs? Just accept the terms, no tariff ether way. There costs are still lower, so how would it hurt them?

    The faster this is agreed to the better the Chinese economy will be. Why wait until all the American corporations move to home or to India or Malaysia or wherever?

    I thought the Chinese government was fairly bright…but this is stupid.

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  58. The European countries and most of the Western world have managed to be civil and avoid stealing intellectual property. Why is it asking so much to expect the Chinese to play by the same rule book?

    Patents expire. Using expired stuff is borrowing, but is perfectly fine, it is available to anyone. The Chinese just are not willing to wait. And companies violating copyrights? That is lower than low. That is outright fraud. There can be no justification for stealing someones artistic creation…make something of merit yourself.

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  59. An old English saying, “by hook or by crook” and “if you cannot beat them, join them”. Well, the West taught the Chinese when the West forced the door of China opened to the West in the form of “Opium War” in 1850s, so, the Chinese learn and copy everything they need to learn from the West. Don’t blame anyone because the West taught the Chinese all these.

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  60. An old English saying by hook or by crook”” and “”””if you cannot beat them”””” join them””””. Well”””” the West taught the Chinese when the West forced the door of China opened to the West in the form of “”””Opium War”””” in 1850s”” so”” the Chinese learn and copy everything they need to learn from the West. Don’t blame anyone because the West taught the Chinese all these.”””

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  61. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results, there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it.” I’ll be interested to see how that argument stands up in court.

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  62. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results” there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it.””I’ll be interested to see how that argument stands up in court.”””

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  63. As far as we all know, the companies made a conscious decision to share their IP to access the market, interesting to see they are all acting like crybabies now.

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  64. As far as we all know the companies made a conscious decision to share their IP to access the market interesting to see they are all acting like crybabies now.

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  65. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results, there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it. All countries do it to get a leg up on their competitor(s), and they will continue to do so as long as it align with their strategic goals.

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  66. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it. All countries do it to get a leg up on their competitor(s) and they will continue to do so as long as it align with their strategic goals.

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  67. Why should he? NBF is big leagues now. So Brian doesn’t have to deal with the headache of comments like he did before. That means he can find the skankiest, cheapest (as in…free or nearly free) commenting system there is, slap in the JS includes and forget about it, basically. You can see I am correct by trying to look up the SolidOpinion comments for older, pre-Vuukle articles that were promised to be restored but never were.

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  68. Why should he? NBF is big leagues now. So Brian doesn’t have to deal with the headache of comments like he did before. That means he can find the skankiest cheapest (as in…free or nearly free) commenting system there is slap in the JS includes and forget about it basically.You can see I am correct by trying to look up the SolidOpinion comments for older pre-Vuukle articles that were promised to be restored but never were.

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  69. An old English saying, “by hook or by crook” and “if you cannot beat them, join them”. Well, the West taught the Chinese when the West forced the door of China opened to the West in the form of “Opium War” in 1850s, so, the Chinese learn and copy everything they need to learn from the West. Don’t blame anyone because the West taught the Chinese all these.

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  70. China pays tens of billions each year for foreign intellectual property licenses. Why would they pay money if they were “stealing ip” as you falsely claim?

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  71. China pays tens of billions each year for foreign intellectual property licenses. Why would they pay money if they were stealing ip”” as you falsely claim?”””

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  72. “Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results, there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it.”

    I’ll be interested to see how that argument stands up in court.

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  73. I’ve had the same thing happen to me. Vuukle sacrifices a lot of prior functionality in return for the promise of reliability, but it doesn’t seem to be delivering on the reliability.

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  74. I’ve had the same thing happen to me.Vuukle sacrifices a lot of prior functionality in return for the promise of reliability but it doesn’t seem to be delivering on the reliability.

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  75. There is a difference between people in countries copying each other and active government coordinated theft of technologies on a massive scale, with military units dedicated to hacking for this purpose. As bad as that is though, militarizing the S. China Sea added an element of national security through an antagonistic relationship that cannot be ignored. We learned the folly of appeasement of autocrats during the lead up to WW2 and have no desire to make that mistake again.

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  76. There is a difference between people in countries copying each other and active government coordinated theft of technologies on a massive scale with military units dedicated to hacking for this purpose. As bad as that is though militarizing the S. China Sea added an element of national security through an antagonistic relationship that cannot be ignored. We learned the folly of appeasement of autocrats during the lead up to WW2 and have no desire to make that mistake again.

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  77. The Chinese govt is running a racket in trying to coerce foreign companies into handing over their intellectual property. This is an organized state-run program of coercion and espionage. By Brian’s standards, the word espionage shouldn’t even exist, since it’s merely about partaking in existing knowledge. NBF is just a shill for the authoritarian regime in Beijing, endorsing whatever stuntsmanship it pursues.

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  78. The Chinese govt is running a racket in trying to coerce foreign companies into handing over their intellectual property. This is an organized state-run program of coercion and espionage. By Brian’s standards the word espionage shouldn’t even exist since it’s merely about partaking in existing knowledge. NBF is just a shill for the authoritarian regime in Beijing endorsing whatever stuntsmanship it pursues.

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  79. Yes. All good things involve a lot of ‘cultural appropriation’. There are superior & inferior cultures & the most important thing that makes a culture superior is the attitude that ‘Those bloody heathen barbarian furriners might know something worth learning’.

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  80. Yes.All good things involve a lot of ‘cultural appropriation’.There are superior & inferior cultures & the most important thing that makes a culture superior is the attitude that ‘Those bloody heathen barbarian furriners might know something worth learning’.

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  81. You know, Vuukle’s been blocking about one in four of the comments I make, saying “You’ve already commented in this conversation.” Sometimes it lets me comment only once, sometimes twice, sometimes not at all. Brian, can you talk to the Vuukle guys to make sure that their user auth process is sane?

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  82. You know Vuukle’s been blocking about one in four of the comments I make saying You’ve already commented in this conversation.”” Sometimes it lets me comment only once”” sometimes twice sometimes not at all. Brian”” can you talk to the Vuukle guys to make sure that their user auth process is sane?”””

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  83. Copying/stealing/licensing all amount to the same results, there is no difference in the end no matter how you spin it. All countries do it to get a leg up on their competitor(s), and they will continue to do so as long as it align with their strategic goals.

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  84. Why should he?

    NBF is big leagues now. So Brian doesn’t have to deal with the headache of comments like he did before.

    That means he can find the skankiest, cheapest (as in…free or nearly free) commenting system there is, slap in the JS includes and forget about it, basically.

    You can see I am correct by trying to look up the SolidOpinion comments for older, pre-Vuukle articles that were promised to be restored but never were.

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  85. Copying is inevitable – the US has done it for centuries. What matters is thinking of new ideas and running with them which is what the US has been great at. Those beach boys in California are the free thinkers who can beat the autocratic systems any time.

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  86. Copying is inevitable – the US has done it for centuries. What matters is thinking of new ideas and running with them which is what the US has been great at. Those beach boys in California are the free thinkers who can beat the autocratic systems any time.

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  87. There is a difference between people in countries copying each other and active government coordinated theft of technologies on a massive scale, with military units dedicated to hacking for this purpose. As bad as that is though, militarizing the S. China Sea added an element of national security through an antagonistic relationship that cannot be ignored. We learned the folly of appeasement of autocrats during the lead up to WW2 and have no desire to make that mistake again.

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  88. The Chinese govt is running a racket in trying to coerce foreign companies into handing over their intellectual property. This is an organized state-run program of coercion and espionage. By Brian’s standards, the word espionage shouldn’t even exist, since it’s merely about partaking in existing knowledge. NBF is just a shill for the authoritarian regime in Beijing, endorsing whatever stuntsmanship it pursues.

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  89. Yes.
    All good things involve a lot of ‘cultural appropriation’.
    There are superior & inferior cultures & the most important thing that makes a culture superior is the attitude that ‘Those bloody heathen barbarian furriners might know something worth learning’.

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  90. You know, Vuukle’s been blocking about one in four of the comments I make, saying “You’ve already commented in this conversation.” Sometimes it lets me comment only once, sometimes twice, sometimes not at all. Brian, can you talk to the Vuukle guys to make sure that their user auth process is sane?

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  91. Copying is inevitable – the US has done it for centuries. What matters is thinking of new ideas and running with them which is what the US has been great at. Those beach boys in California are the free thinkers who can beat the autocratic systems any time.

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