Twitter user @fodagut has an explainer tweet thread on LK99.
@fodagut says
LK-99 is quite likely a room-temperature superconductor, or if not it points the way towards building one. But LK-99 is not going to be as easy to synthesize as you have been told, and it’s going to be a long, long way to viable applications. Unless we cheat…
For Superconductivity you need a single delocalized electron state with a sufficiently large band gap separating the higher energy states that thermal motion alone is insufficient to move the electron between them. We can do this for low temp or high pressure.
Lead-apatite is not a metal, but rather a mineralized bundle of wires, each of which are exactly one atom wide. It is more like bone or rock.
The Nobel-worthy contribution from Lee and Kim: apatite as a mineral confines its metal atoms (calcium in bone, lead and copper in LK-99) to be in a linear chain, so it does not have the blowup of electron states that a 3D crystal structure would have.
By replacing every 8th lead atom with copper (a highly strained and unnatural configuration), the few electron states remaining become separated by high energy gaps. There exists just one delocalized electron state that electrons freely conduct through.
By substituting copper atoms for lead in specific locations, Lee and Kim strained the metallic bonds to separate these electron states (requiring higher energies to enter), and purportedly got the gap so wide that thermal motion at room temperature is insufficient to jump the gap.
Such a material would conduct electrons in a single direction along that mineralized conductive wire, without any resistive losses. A room temperature, ambient pressure superconductor.
Replacing Every 8th lead Atom with Copper is Hard
By using the right molar ratios and crystalizing at high temp you can ensure that the right number of copper atoms replace lead in the unit crystal, but there is no way to ensure with this method that the linear chain of conducting atoms is strictly alternating as required.
Full replication and fully characterized will be hard.
Developing mass production will be even harder.
One logical solution is chemical vapor deposition. This is a process already used in semiconductor fabs to create alternating layers of material. To do so with minerals in an oven, and with atomically precise alternating layers is not impossible. This is still hard.
OR synthesize the material by building up layers ion-by-ion by placing reactive feedstocks molecule by molecule with atomic precision. This is mechanosynthesis AKA machine-phase chemistry
LK-99 is a variation of lead apatite, a mineral. Calcium apatite is what your bone and tooth enamel are made of. Lead apatite is the same mineral, but with calcium atoms replaced with lead. It is also a scaly mineral that forms in lead-contaminated pipes. 2/33 pic.twitter.com/aSI0y7wPdA
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
Lead apatite is a better conductor, but has the same anisotropic properties. Within the apatite mineral lead atoms are arranged close enough that electrons can hop from one to the next, but only along the lines of lead in the crystal lattice. The phosphates are insulating. 4/33 pic.twitter.com/3SJwUyc6wm
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
So, essentially, lead-apatite is not a metal, but rather a mineralized bundle of wires, each of which are exactly one atom wide. And its properties don't resemble the malleable lead from which it is formed, but rather that of bone or rock: conductive tooth enamel. 5/33 pic.twitter.com/gp7MYeKUVo
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
Low temperature superconductors cool the electrons so much that they only have enough thermal energy to exist in one state. Without sufficient energy to jump between states there is no resistance to motion. Alternatively high pressure makes the energy gaps larger. 7/33 pic.twitter.com/kHMcKpaPlA
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
So to recap, for superconductivity you need a single delocalized electron state with a sufficiently large band gap separating the higher energy states that thermal motion alone is insufficient to move the electron between them. We can do this for low temp or high pressure. 9/33 pic.twitter.com/5wdUiCxCA1
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
Now for the Nobel-worthy contribution from Lee and Kim: apatite as a mineral confines its metal atoms (calcium in bone, lead and copper in LK-99) to be in a linear chain, so it doesn't have the blowup of electron states that a 3D crystal structure would have. 11/33 pic.twitter.com/LkwnxGIQVA
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
Furthermore, by replacing every 8th lead atom with copper (a highly strained and unnatural configuration), the few electron states remaining become separated by high energy gaps. There exists just one delocalized electron state that electrons freely conduct through. 12/33 pic.twitter.com/mIQbj8MKYN
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
This is typical of engineering: we constrain the problem domain, reducing degrees of freedom to be something manageable, then tweak the system to have the desired properties. By using mineralized 1D conductors, the electron state space is reduced to an enumerable set. 13/33 pic.twitter.com/gyOatxBDNR
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
By substituting copper atoms for lead in specific locations, L&K strained the metallic bonds to separate these electron states (requiring higher energies to enter), and purportedly got the gap so wide that thermal motion at room temperature is insufficient to jump the gap. 14/33 pic.twitter.com/R24wqS2Z4d
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
To recap, we're talking about a anisotropic bone-like mineral that conducts electricity along a specific line, with the conducting metal atoms substituted to provide an electron energy gap larger than room temperature thermal motion. 15/33 pic.twitter.com/Y2g0Dn1j0w
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
Such a material would conduct electrons in a single direction along that mineralized conductive wire, without any resistive losses. A room temperature, ambient pressure superconductor. 16/33 pic.twitter.com/bigAVFV6BL
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
Now let's talk about why there has been so much trouble replicating the superconductivity results for LK-99. Remember when I said L&K replaced every 8th lead atom with copper in a highly strained bonding relationship? That should have raised your eyebrows. 18/33 pic.twitter.com/P98ZcrhQL7
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
The approach outlined in the paper is to very evenly mix your sources of lead and copper, then to bake in an oven at high temperature. This last step provides the energy required to generate high-energy, strained states, but only stochastically. 20/33 pic.twitter.com/P8DV2VtmKM
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
By using the right molar ratios and crystalizing at high temp you can ensure that the right number of copper atoms replace lead in the unit crystal, but there is no way to ensure with this method that the linear chain of conducting atoms is strictly alternating as required. 21/33 pic.twitter.com/CmlwjnpTD2
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
Maybe. This isn't really detailed in either paper, and the L&K have had 20 years of trouble themselves reliably replicating their results. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But this is to be expected as the process is probabilistic by nature. 23/33 pic.twitter.com/6DBneEB8Mv
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
But even if the result replicates–and it might take a long while for other labs to create samples with islands of superconductivity, as well as figure out how to isolate and examine those parts–there is still a mountain of work required to manufacture at scale. 25/33 pic.twitter.com/VUSnrS5mHq
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
One logical solution is chemical vapor deposition. This is a process already used in semiconductor fabs to create alternating layers of material. To do so with minerals in an oven, and with atomically precise alternating layers is not impossible. But it won't be easy. 27/33 pic.twitter.com/6oOdTScyvi
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
The conventional bet is on CVD. But there's another possibility: synthesize the material by building up layers ion-by-ion by placing reactive feedstocks molecule by molecule with atomic precision. This is mechanosynthesis AKA machine-phase chemistry. 28/33 https://t.co/OruWcTGQ3U
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
If you can build structures atom-by-atom with atomic precision, room temperature ambient pressure superconductors are one example product that becomes trivial to manufacture–either LK-99 if it works, or twisted graphene sheets inside of a diamond clamp. 29/33 pic.twitter.com/9KQyCvvPtx
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
That's why I'm working to make atomically precise manufacturing a reality. With this core manufacturing capability we can deliver as much RTAP superconductors–and other products–as the world needs, radically transforming the global economy. 32/33 https://t.co/YcMFbEZrQE
— Martian 🏴☠️ (@fodagut) August 2, 2023
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“To recap, we’re talking about a anisotropic bone-like mineral that conducts electricity along a specific line, with the conducting metal atoms substituted to provide an electron energy gap larger than room temperature thermal motion. ”
Wow, I think that my grandma could understand this explanation. Great.
Iris mentioned possible elemental sulfur contamination being relevant, as construction grade phosphorus is contaminated with it.
https://nitter.net/0xMattness/status/1687300430638850048#m
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It looks like they’ll be using ALD (atomic layer deposition), a variant of CVD, to make these materials. These are processes for making thin films that are very difficult to scale up to bulk material production. If superconducting properties can be used to enhance semiconductor devices, then that becomes your application.
Twitter is such a bad platform for conveyance of anything but a slogan or soundbite.
I did manage to read that string of thirty three tweets yesterday, and kinda winced when the end was a business pitch. This is mechanosynthesis AKA machine-phase chemistry is a thing though…. God used nucleic acids and enzymes and jelly organelles to do it. To me, atomic manufacturing seems farther away than replicating paperclip machines and Dyson spheres.
The rest of the LK99 articles seem to be getting too heady to comment on…