Venezuela’s stores close, people starve and opposition in exile

Venezuela is on the brink of ruin. The former mayor of Caracas dared to challenge President Nicolas Maduro’s authoritarian regime—and was made a public enemy. The x-mayor is living in exile in Spain.

In Venezuela, as many as 15.5 percent of children under the age of 6 are undernourished, and another 20 percent of all children are endangered by undernutrition.

In September, nearly 40 percent of all Venezuelan stores have closed — some of them perhaps permanently — after the government of President Nicolas Maduro increased the minimum salary by nearly 3,500 percent in one fell swoop, according the National Council of Commerce and Services of Venezuela.

The country’s monthly inflation hit 200 percent in August alone. The Bolivar lost two-thirds of its value in 31 days.

About four in 10 stores have not opened since Maduro announced the salary increase. And some of the stores that did open are liquidating their merchandise and plan to close definitively when that’s done.

591 thoughts on “Venezuela’s stores close, people starve and opposition in exile”

  1. So there is a “if” here? We are not sure that the prediction of coup is a certainty? We are not sure that the news we get from Brian are 100% ? We are not even sure of you are NOT a Mouron?

  2. Take it with a grain of salt, people.. In this very forum Brian sweared that before the end of 2018 there would be a military take over of the Venezuelan government Wea re 3/4 on the way and still no signs of military take over Just check “Venezuela oil workers are dying of hunger – a military coup in 2018 seems inevitable” on NBF All the right wingers agreed . I am waiting for writing to Brian on 31st December 2018 if I am still here that he was wrong Luca Mazza

  3. If there is a coup, it will come from within the mobs of thugs. It’s always those with guns that organize them. So Maduro better sleeps with an eye open, because the backstabbing will probably come from his closest group. If they are lucky, another less bad regime will succeed the current one (but that’s a pretty low bar), with a violent but hopefully short interregnum. If they are unlucky, an even worse socialist regime will impose itself, but usually the mobsters taking the reigns after the collapse don’t want to have anything to do with socialism’s posturing and fake pity. Such government ideas usually are the result an unlucky mix of a nation’s bonanza and stupidity, resulting in them voting the socialists in, but never getting them out.

  4. Good thing the socialist dictator already disarmed everyone except his mobs of thugs or there might be trouble.

  5. So there is a if”” here?We are not sure that the prediction of coup is a certainty? We are not sure that the news we get from Brian are 100{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} ? We are not even sure of you are NOT a Mouron?”””

  6. Take it with a grain of salt people.. In this very forum Brian sweared that before the end of 2018 there would be a military take over of the Venezuelan government Wea re 3/4 on the way and still no signs of military take over Just check Venezuela oil workers are dying of hunger – a military coup in 2018 seems inevitable”” on NBF All the right wingers agreed . I am waiting for writing to Brian on 31st December 2018 if I am still here that he was wrongLuca Mazza”””””””

  7. If there is a coup it will come from within the mobs of thugs. It’s always those with guns that organize them. So Maduro better sleeps with an eye open because the backstabbing will probably come from his closest group.If they are lucky another less bad regime will succeed the current one (but that’s a pretty low bar) with a violent but hopefully short interregnum.If they are unlucky an even worse socialist regime will impose itself but usually the mobsters taking the reigns after the collapse don’t want to have anything to do with socialism’s posturing and fake pity. Such government ideas usually are the result an unlucky mix of a nation’s bonanza and stupidity resulting in them voting the socialists in but never getting them out.

  8. Good thing the socialist dictator already disarmed everyone except his mobs of thugs or there might be trouble.

  9. There where military and civil coups in 2018. They just failed. Besides that, it seems you are happy if Venezuelans are strained to the point they even stop trying to react the socialist regime (North Korea style). Why so? So you can call Brian wrong? Defend the venezuelan leadeship from western “propaganda”? It seems to me than you have no point at all, beyond criticize other people ideas with some pretextos arguments, to feel better about youself.

  10. Soviet style communism or socialism, doesn´t work anywhere. My country – Czechoslovakia was among 10 richest countries in the world before commies took over. Since then we were falling behind west quite dramatically. Now we are living in liberal capitalism and our standard of living is cathching up with western countries. When it comes to freedom communism or Soviet style socialism is equal to fascism.

  11. What if it happens in 2019? What if it happens in 2020? What if it never happens? Would that make you so sad?

  12. The mass desperation of the Venezuelan people coup is making military coup attempts in 2018 inevitable. Brian Wang at Nextbigfuture bases this prediction on Venezuela’s terrible economy, higher estimates of infant mortality, estimates of children starving to death and recent coup activity and recent civil unrest.” Wrote Brian Brian is wrong You are wrong too

  13. Sorry, i can’t see any wrongdoing to acknowledge. Semantics: “seems inevitable”, not “is inevitable”. What it something “seems” to one is subjective. And as far as I “see” it, it did seems inevitable indeed. Timing: in which month are we? And about your attitude, where is the part where YOU prove your moral standing? Without that, you have no authority at all, and any of your judgment might coming from an inepte, self righteous, jealous hater. Its way, way easier to critic someone on the base of anything (like impossibly high moral standards), than to actually grow a pair and publish (and expose) something yourself, isn’t it?

  14. Yup. The idea of limited government and capitalism is not popular in south America. The difficult thing is that in this particular case, they would have to accept (possible) some additional worsening of the situation when switching to capitalism before the development turns upwards again. It is really the only way to improve things…

  15. What if the fall comes in, say, may 2019? Would Brian be completely wrong or right, but slightly off timing? By this I mean that he should not acknowledge anything until long into 2019, or possibly 2020.

  16. Sure but people should still support freedom of speech for others, and not side with the trolls (ak.a. Warren the Troll, Tom Perkins among others) . If not, they are just cowtards

  17. Then when they are wrong they should aknowledge they were wrong. If not, they keep being “idiotas” . Capisch?

  18. There were a lot of factors in the collapse of the Soviet Union. Labeled the “Evil Empire”…a charge which was hard to deny: atheism, millions of people spying on the rest hoping to find the most trivial of violations, gulags, one man in power could and did kill millions out of mistrust, envy and paranoia. Don’t underestimate the power of the Chernobyl disaster. That was really the straw that broke the camel’s back. If you can’t trust the government to run your nuclear reactors, where does that leave you? It was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained, like so many other things. And that poor maintenance could get everyone killed. It was an extreme national shame. An important factor was that there was no power obsessed lunatic in power when it did collapse. A lunatic would have insisted everyone do their work…or else. And with slackers headed to the gulag, people would have worked harder. And the irrational escalation in nuclear weapons stockpiles was stupid. Once you can wipe everyone else out, what could you possibly need the rest for? Let the other guy keep making unnecessary weapons. They also put too much resources into supporting all the dozens of other communist countries and defending them. IQ? What does that have to do with anything…and those tests…rubbish. Not the tests themselves necessarily, the guessing of IQs for whole countries based on their neighbors, sample sizes, conditions and other nonsense. And if you are paying someone to take a test, and you tell them it does not mater what answers they chose…why should they try? The smart thing is to pick random answers quickly and take the money in 2 minutes. You don’t need high IQs to attack your leaders because you are starving and they are not doing enough. Rioting does not require the IQ of a herring.

  19. The people who ran the Soviet Union threw in the towel, and allowed economic, and governmental reform before conditions got anywhere near as bad as Venezuela. What is the difference between the two countries? The average level of education was much higher in the Soviet union. I would guess the average IQ of the soviet citizenry was higher, based on studies of the average IQ of different ethnic groups. The soviet union was under socialist rule much longer than Venezuela. The USSR was not dependent on foreign corporations to operate it’s oil industry, or anything else for that matter. I think a lot of USSR industry was dependent on industrial espionage of the west, rather than innovation. My best guess is the leaders of the soviet union cared more about the well being of it’s citizens. Maduro does not care who starves, as long as he can remain fat.

  20. Isn’t it frustrating when the people who disagree with you don’t form a monolithic block with uniform opinions? It makes it much more difficult to make universal takedowns.

  21. Brian meant succesful coups not unsuccesful ones. If this does not happen before the end of 2018 Brian and the rightwingers of NBF will be proven once again wrong. Like when they predicted Mc Cain was going to win the presidency ten years ago. I do not need to defend the Venezuela leadership from anyone as it is not my country. And the NK comparison is a moot point. Venezuela does not have lagers and their government is freely elected. So keep your hands off Venezuela and your mouth shut if possible. Thanks

  22. Unless the US helps them out by cowardly killing some thousands of innocents and installing a military regime somewhere corrupt and criminal like always. Oh wait they can not do this anymore

  23. There where military and civil coups in 2018. They just failed.Besides that it seems you are happy if Venezuelans are strained to the point they even stop trying to react the socialist regime (North Korea style). Why so? So you can call Brian wrong? Defend the venezuelan leadeship from western propaganda””? It seems to me than you have no point at all”” beyond criticize other people ideas with some pretextos arguments”” to feel better about youself.”””

  24. Soviet style communism or socialism doesn´t work anywhere. My country – Czechoslovakia was among 10 richest countries in the world before commies took over. Since then we were falling behind west quite dramatically. Now we are living in liberal capitalism and our standard of living is cathching up with western countries. When it comes to freedom communism or Soviet style socialism is equal to fascism.”

  25. What if it happens in 2019? What if it happens in 2020? What if it never happens?Would that make you so sad?

  26. The mass desperation of the Venezuelan people coup is making military coup attempts in 2018 inevitable. Brian Wang at Nextbigfuture bases this prediction on Venezuela’s terrible economy higher estimates of infant mortality” estimates of children starving to death and recent coup activity and recent civil unrest.””Wrote Brian Brian is wrong You are wrong too”””””””

  27. Sorry i can’t see any wrongdoing to acknowledge.Semantics: seems inevitable”””” not “”””is inevitable””””. What it something “”””seems”””” to one is subjective. And as far as I “”””see”””” it”” it did seems inevitable indeed. Timing: in which month are we?And about your attitude where is the part where YOU prove your moral standing? Without that you have no authority at all and any of your judgment might coming from an inepte self righteous jealous hater.Its way way easier to critic someone on the base of anything (like impossibly high moral standards) than to actually grow a pair and publish (and expose) something yourself”” isn’t it?”””

  28. Yup. The idea of limited government and capitalism is not popular in south America. The difficult thing is that in this particular case they would have to accept (possible) some additional worsening of the situation when switching to capitalism before the development turns upwards again. It is really the only way to improve things…

  29. What if the fall comes in say may 2019? Would Brian be completely wrong or right but slightly off timing? By this I mean that he should not acknowledge anything until long into 2019 or possibly 2020.

  30. Sure but people should still support freedom of speech for others and not side with the trolls (ak.a. Warren the Troll Tom Perkins among others) . If not they are just cowtards

  31. Then when they are wrong they should aknowledge they were wrong. If not they keep being idiotas”” . Capisch?”””

  32. There were a lot of factors in the collapse of the Soviet Union. Labeled the Evil Empire””…a charge which was hard to deny: atheism”” millions of people spying on the rest hoping to find the most trivial of violations gulags one man in power could and did kill millions out of mistrust envy and paranoia.Don’t underestimate the power of the Chernobyl disaster. That was really the straw that broke the camel’s back. If you can’t trust the government to run your nuclear reactors where does that leave you? It was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained like so many other things. And that poor maintenance could get everyone killed. It was an extreme national shame.An important factor was that there was no power obsessed lunatic in power when it did collapse. A lunatic would have insisted everyone do their work…or else. And with slackers headed to the gulag people would have worked harder.And the irrational escalation in nuclear weapons stockpiles was stupid. Once you can wipe everyone else out what could you possibly need the rest for? Let the other guy keep making unnecessary weapons.They also put too much resources into supporting all the dozens of other communist countries and defending them.IQ? What does that have to do with anything…and those tests…rubbish. Not the tests themselves necessarily the guessing of IQs for whole countries based on their neighbors sample sizes conditions and other nonsense.And if you are paying someone to take a test”” and you tell them it does not mater what answers they chose…why should they try? The smart thing is to pick random answers quickly and take the money in 2 minutes. You don’t need high IQs to attack your leaders because you are starving and they are not doing enough. Rioting does not require the IQ of a herring.”””

  33. The people who ran the Soviet Union threw in the towel and allowed economic and governmental reform before conditions got anywhere near as bad as Venezuela. What is the difference between the two countries?The average level of education was much higher in the Soviet union. I would guess the average IQ of the soviet citizenry was higher based on studies of the average IQ of different ethnic groups. The soviet union was under socialist rule much longer than Venezuela. The USSR was not dependent on foreign corporations to operate it’s oil industry or anything else for that matter. I think a lot of USSR industry was dependent on industrial espionage of the west rather than innovation.My best guess is the leaders of the soviet union cared more about the well being of it’s citizens. Maduro does not care who starves as long as he can remain fat.

  34. Isn’t it frustrating when the people who disagree with you don’t form a monolithic block with uniform opinions?It makes it much more difficult to make universal takedowns.

  35. With communism, with socialism — with enough thievery by government, you get hunger. It’s just what happens, every time, because thievery is evil and leads to misery. That’s all there is, it has no upside.

  36. 1) My name is Luca Mazza,I registered as Matheus Enrique as Brian (?) blocked the access with name Luca Mazza 2) all the rest is a bunch of bull.. If Brian wasnt so sure that the fall of Maduro was going to be happen in 2018. If he made that prediction and got proven wrong, he should have not made that prediction. Period.

  37. Well, Matheus Henrique, there are several implicit and explicit statements in Brians first entry. One explicit statement is that the fall of the Maduro regime will happen 2018. And then there are several implicit statements, such as that the population is dissatisfied with the state of affairs, the military are contemplating a coup, the Maduro regime hold of the power is not secure given the famine, etc. To understand this, you need to be able to use “higher” levels of reading comprehension. I am putting the word “higher” in quotation marks, because it is really not that complicated. For most people, reading the absolute literal interpretation of the text is mastered at the age of, say, 12, whereas understanding the implicit meanings is learned at ~18 years of age. Later, understanding of allegories and similarities are mastered. For some, though, going beyond anything that is explicitly stated is never achieved…

  38. it was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained” We’ve heard much criticism about the general design but never that it was poorly maintained.

  39. Intolerance, hatred and xenofobia? You are new to this blog, rght? Please look at the comments of Goat Guy , Tm Perkins, Doctor Pat and the ubertroll Warren and see who is endorsing all this. Check this out and open your eyes bit.ly/2MeWYZT And then come aagain here and tell me who endorses Intolerance, hatred and xenofobia?

  40. Would you please be so kind and brave and tell me which country you are from. I have my personal experience with totalitarian state, I don´t think you have one. I feel sorry for Venezuelans. Don´t tell anybody to shut up. Everybody has right for his opinion if he doesn´t endorse intolerance, hatred and xenofobia. Wlliam Readling it has nothing with IQ. People in South Korea are same nation as in North Korea. South Koreans are just lucky to live in democratic and liberal capitalism.

  41. Whether I am sad or not is irrelevant to the question of whether Brian Wang should start admitting to making a mistake in prediction. My point is that the line between correct and incorrect is very wide. Brian might be right about the political and economical currents in Venezuela, and still be off by timing. Let us say the fall comes early 2019, then Brian would have been correct about the political development, and slightly off in timing. By contrast, if the fall of the Maduro government comes in, say, 2025 then Brian would have overestimated the dissatisfaction of the people/military, and his timing estimate would have been really poor. And if the fall comes somewhere in between, then he would be “kind of correct” and his timing would have been “so and so”.

  42. You have exposed your true point, finally. An ideologized tard. Probably anti-zionist looser, too. Have it your way… you can take it from here. “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Mark Twain.

  43. I think the biggest factor in the USSR breakup was luck: They were lucky enough to get a dictator who didn’t have the nerve to engage in mass murder to hold the empire together, and maybe was even delusional enough to think there was anything besides fear holding it together. By the time he figured out otherwise, things had gone too far to stop. That was extreme luck, because that’s not the sort of person who usually rises to the top in a totalitarian state. Unfortunately for a lot of people around the world, the fall of the USSR was instructive to other totalitarian states, and it will be a long while before anybody makes THAT mistake again.

  44. Brian meant succesful coups not unsuccesful ones. If this does not happen before the end of 2018 Brian and the rightwingers of NBF will be proven once again wrong. Like when they predicted Mc Cain was going to win the presidency ten years ago. I do not need to defend the Venezuela leadership from anyone as it is not my country. And the NK comparison is a moot point. Venezuela does not have lagers and their government is freely elected. So keep your hands off Venezuela and your mouth shut, if possible. Thanks

  45. Unless the US helps them out by cowardly killing some thousands of innocents and installing a military regime somewhere, corrupt and criminal like always. Oh wait, they can not do this anymore

  46. 1) My name is Luca Mazza”I registered as Matheus Enrique as Brian (?) blocked the access with name Luca Mazza “” “””

  47. With communism with socialism — with enough thievery by government you get hunger.It’s just what happens every time because thievery is evil and leads to misery.That’s all there is it has no upside.

  48. 1) My name is Luca MazzaI registered as Matheus Enrique as Brian (?) blocked the access with name Luca Mazza 2) all the rest is a bunch of bull.. If Brian wasnt so sure that the fall of Maduro was going to be happen in 2018. If he made that prediction and got proven wrong he should have not made that prediction. Period.

  49. Well Matheus Henrique there are several implicit and explicit statements in Brians first entry. One explicit statement is that the fall of the Maduro regime will happen 2018. And then there are several implicit statements such as that the population is dissatisfied with the state of affairs the military are contemplating a coup the Maduro regime hold of the power is not secure given the famine etc. To understand this you need to be able to use higher”” levels of reading comprehension. I am putting the word “”””higher”””” in quotation marks”” because it is really not that complicated. For most people reading the absolute literal interpretation of the text is mastered at the age of say12 whereas understanding the implicit meanings is learned at ~18 years of age. Later understanding of allegories and similarities are mastered. For some though”” going beyond anything that is explicitly stated is never achieved…”””

  50. it was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained””We’ve heard much criticism about the general design but never that it was poorly maintained.”””

  51. Intolerance hatred and xenofobia? You are new to this blog rght? Please look at the comments of Goat Guy Tm Perkins Doctor Pat and the ubertroll Warren and see who is endorsing all this. Check this out and open your eyes bit.ly/2MeWYZT And then come aagain here and tell me who endorses Intolerance hatred and xenofobia?

  52. Would you please be so kind and brave and tell me which country you are from. I have my personal experience with totalitarian state I don´t think you have one. I feel sorry for Venezuelans. Don´t tell anybody to shut up. Everybody has right for his opinion if he doesn´t endorse intolerance hatred and xenofobia. Wlliam Readling it has nothing with IQ. People in South Korea are same nation as in North Korea. South Koreans are just lucky to live in democratic and liberal capitalism.”

  53. Whether I am sad or not is irrelevant to the question of whether Brian Wang should start admitting to making a mistake in prediction. My point is that the line between correct and incorrect is very wide. Brian might be right about the political and economical currents in Venezuela and still be off by timing. Let us say the fall comes early 2019 then Brian would have been correct about the political development and slightly off in timing. By contrast if the fall of the Maduro government comes in say 2025 then Brian would have overestimated the dissatisfaction of the people/military and his timing estimate would have been really poor. And if the fall comes somewhere in between then he would be kind of correct”” and his timing would have been “”””so and so””””.”””

  54. You have exposed your true point finally. An ideologized tard. Probably anti-zionist looser too. Have it your way… you can take it from here.Never argue with stupid people”” they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”” Mark Twain.”””

  55. I think the biggest factor in the USSR breakup was luck: They were lucky enough to get a dictator who didn’t have the nerve to engage in mass murder to hold the empire together and maybe was even delusional enough to think there was anything besides fear holding it together. By the time he figured out otherwise things had gone too far to stop.That was extreme luck because that’s not the sort of person who usually rises to the top in a totalitarian state.Unfortunately for a lot of people around the world the fall of the USSR was instructive to other totalitarian states and it will be a long while before anybody makes THAT mistake again.

  56. Yeah, I never heard that. Insanely operated, sure. The “accident” was basically a case of, “Hey, let’s see what happens if we disable the safeties and run it outside of it’s safe operating conditions. What could go wrong?” And the design was bad, too, including the lack of a containment building, but bad in a number of ways besides that. But I never heard any complaints about the maintained. The thing would have gone kablooie no matter how well maintained, given what they did.

  57. If you aren’t aware of how Venezuela is starving, then you might know a coup restoring liberty would quite lower the death count of socialism there even if a handful of innocent people die. Of course, that’s just how thievery by government rolls.

  58. 1) My name is Luca Mazza,I registered as Matheus Enrique as Brian (?) blocked the access with name Luca Mazza

  59. Yeah I never heard that. Insanely operated sure. The accident”” was basically a case of”””” “”””Hey”””” let’s see what happens if we disable the safeties and run it outside of it’s safe operating conditions. What could go wrong?””””And the design was bad”” too including the lack of a containment building but bad in a number of ways besides that.But I never heard any complaints about the maintained. The thing would have gone kablooie no matter how well maintained”” given what they did.”””

  60. If you aren’t aware of how Venezuela is starving then you might know a coup restoring liberty would quite lower the death count of socialism there even if a handful of innocent people die.Of course that’s just how thievery by government rolls.

  61. Because you are stup!d enough to take WarrenTheTrolls’s word for something, you tell me. … Alcatra jowl tail, strip steak pork chop cupim corned beef prosciutto bresaola. Ham pork biltong sausage chuck shank buffalo frankfurter. Salami sirloin drumstick pig turkey filet mignon porchetta kevin doner pork chicken ham hock ham. Lorem !psum to get around the id!ot comment system

  62. While the near useless comment system Mr. Wang has chosen frequently blocks links, it is fully appropriate in this case. You necessarily have attempted to link to a factual nullity, since you are trying to justify the democide occurring in Venezuela.

  63. This is just total junk, the Kool-Aid prep for a US military intervention. (Which iis not going to happen because Trump is not interested in new BS wars for the MIC. You need to get off the US propaganda train. You do great on tech, but you’re a total dupe when it comes to politics. You want the real story? Here’s the real story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYWrPiUeWY

  64. Only you and WarrenTheTroll are stupid enough to think I am or have anything to do with Luca…. Salami sirloin drumstick pig turkey filet mignon porchetta kevin doner pork chicken ham hock ham. More Lorem Ipsum to get around the silly comment system.

  65. Because you are stup!d enough to take WarrenTheTrolls’s word for something you tell me….Alcatra jowl tail strip steak pork chop cupim corned beef prosciutto bresaola. Ham pork biltong sausage chuck shank buffalo frankfurter. Salami sirloin drumstick pig turkey filet mignon porchetta kevin doner pork chicken ham hock ham. Lorem !psum to get around the id!ot comment system

  66. While the near useless comment system Mr. Wang has chosen frequently blocks links it is fully appropriate in this case. You necessarily have attempted to link to a factual nullity since you are trying to justify the democide occurring in Venezuela.

  67. This is just total junk the Kool-Aid prep for a US military intervention. (Which iis not going to happen because Trump is not interested in new BS wars for the MIC. You need to get off the US propaganda train. You do great on tech but you’re a total dupe when it comes to politics.You want the real story? Here’s the real story:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYWrPiUeWY

  68. Sure but people should still support freedom of speech for others, and not side with the trolls (ak.a. Warren the Troll, Tom Perkins among others)” Hahahahahahahahah! Love it. Says one thing in the first part of his sentence…then says something in the second part that contradicts what he says in the first. Typical Matteo Martini in action!

  69. He’s from Italy. Lives in Japan currently. His real name is Matteo Martini. Here is is Facebook page: bit.ly/2OF7qHf Years ago, he stupidly identified himself and posted his FB page link. So no, I am not ‘doxying’ him.

  70. Yes. That is proof THAT BRIAN wrote that. Not proof of anyone else writing that. Love how you and Tommy change the goal posts mid-stream.

  71. What word? I never declared that there would be a coup takeover by the Venezuelan military. Once again, Tommy Boy libels others here on NBF.

  72. All the right wingers agreed .” No they didn’t, Matteo. Once again, you live in your imaginary world and expect the rest of us to play along.

  73. Yes. The USSR was basically a Marxist totalitarian version of an Austro-Hungarian or Holy Roman empire. Large, multi-ethnic polities don’t last long…particularly when only one or two of those ethnic states run the show for all the others (if that sounds like the present-day EU to you…it should).

  74. It was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained,” Forget maintenance, it was pathetically designed, period. It was a graphite pile reactor like the first one we fired up under the bleachers at the U of Chicago back when we didn’t know any better. No such reactor would have ever been approved for commercial use in the West. ANY Western nation.

  75. To their credit, the Soviets practiced total central planning communism and transformed a mostly agrarian, illiterate nation into an industrial, educated powerhouse for a while there. Still not good for the long haul as the power-hungry factions screw it all up compared to non-central planned economies (more or less). Recommended reading: a.co/d/53h92qw

  76. Why would the US intervene? We already are the #1 exporter of oil. Letting Venezuela stay in Ocasio-Sanders Socialist Collapse Land also means keeping their oil off the market, too.

  77. As they say, Socialism is all sh!ts & giggles until you have to start eating the zoo animals. Ocasio-Cortez 2020 for President!

  78. Don’t worry too much about if Luca has a point or not. He’ll switch his ideology around if he thinks he’ll get a better rise out of it. He’s just a troll and this site is his favorite bridge to sleep under. Even Luca admits that he’s been banned and isn’t wanted here, but he insists on coming back under new handles anyway because it’s fun, or something.

  79. The irony to me is we’ve had some seriously awful Marxist creep into this country for a long while now. Read about how much Hitler admired FDR. Marxism has destroyed the ability of the lower classes to earn a living. What is the solution? More Marxism of course! Talk about a vicious cycle.

  80. Only you and WarrenTheTroll are stupid enough to think I am or have anything to do with Luca. … Salami sirloin drumstick pig turkey filet mignon porchetta kevin doner pork chicken ham hock ham. More Lorem Ipsum to get around the silly comment system.

  81. Sure but people should still support freedom of speech for others and not side with the trolls (ak.a. Warren the Troll” Tom Perkins among others)””Hahahahahahahahah! Love it. Says one thing in the first part of his sentence…then says something in the second part that contradicts what he says in the first.Typical Matteo Martini in action!”””

  82. He’s from Italy. Lives in Japan currently.His real name is Matteo Martini. Here is is Facebook page: bit.ly/2OF7qHfYears ago he stupidly identified himself and posted his FB page link. So no I am not ‘doxying’ him.

  83. and the rightwingers of NBF””PROVE others said that besides Brian. Direct links to posts here.”””

  84. Yes. That is proof THAT BRIAN wrote that. Not proof of anyone else writing that. Love how you and Tommy change the goal posts mid-stream.

  85. What word? I never declared that there would be a coup takeover by the Venezuelan military. Once again Tommy Boy libels others here on NBF.

  86. All the right wingers agreed .””No they didn’t”” Matteo. Once again”” you live in your imaginary world and expect the rest of us to play along.”””

  87. Yes. The USSR was basically a Marxist totalitarian version of an Austro-Hungarian or Holy Roman empire. Large multi-ethnic polities don’t last long…particularly when only one or two of those ethnic states run the show for all the others (if that sounds like the present-day EU to you…it should).

  88. It was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained”””Forget maintenance”” it was pathetically designed”” period. It was a graphite pile reactor like the first one we fired up under the bleachers at the U of Chicago back when we didn’t know any better. No such reactor would have ever been approved for commercial use in the West. ANY Western nation.”””

  89. To their credit the Soviets practiced total central planning communism and transformed a mostly agrarian illiterate nation into an industrial educated powerhouse for a while there. Still not good for the long haul as the power-hungry factions screw it all up compared to non-central planned economies (more or less).Recommended reading: a.co/d/53h92qw

  90. Why would the US intervene? We already are the #1 exporter of oil. Letting Venezuela stay in Ocasio-Sanders Socialist Collapse Land also means keeping their oil off the market too.

  91. As they say Socialism is all sh!ts & giggles until you have to start eating the zoo animals.Ocasio-Cortez 2020 for President!

  92. Don’t worry too much about if Luca has a point or not. He’ll switch his ideology around if he thinks he’ll get a better rise out of it. He’s just a troll and this site is his favorite bridge to sleep under. Even Luca admits that he’s been banned and isn’t wanted here but he insists on coming back under new handles anyway because it’s fun or something.

  93. The irony to me is we’ve had some seriously awful Marxist creep into this country for a long while now. Read about how much Hitler admired FDR. Marxism has destroyed the ability of the lower classes to earn a living. What is the solution? More Marxism of course! Talk about a vicious cycle.

  94. Perhaps a parasite/host analogy is appropriate. I am currently reading the first volume of Gulag Archipelago as recommended by Dr. Jordan Peterson. The arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.

  95. Czechoslovakia is still a socialist country. Every country is. What you are complaining about is degrees. What you should have said is that Czechoslovakia was too socialist. Which is something that can happen. A country can also be too capitalist, in the sense that people are working 7 days a week, 16 hours a day and are still starving. That can also happen. The point is to find the proper balance. Of course any attempt to change things will bring out the screamers.

  96. Yes, taxing is stealing. Somehow a government is suppose to protect its people and provided them with law and order just my the grace of God.

  97. And you are really Scaryjello Scaramucho Sally Smellypants? Vibrant empower communities thought partnership big data humanitarian. Co-creation, equal opportunity dynamic, gender rights effective relief grit. Outcomes social innovation save the world to resilient. Issue outcomes natural resources think tank, improve the world mass incarceration compassion social innovation activate. Synergy initiative, milestones B-corp; revolutionary social innovation thought leadership framework human-centered. Disrupt resist systems thinking emerging social return on investment a. Correlation social innovation justice co-create parse think tank. Shared unit of analysis, replicable save the world global movements to collective impact. Paradigm efficient, society sustainable, collaborate. Resilient thought leadership equal opportunity peaceful paradigm; silo transparent dynamic.

  98. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit. So to have a debate we need to know what you are talking about. What exactly do you mean by the word “socialism”? What makes only Venezuela socialist as oppose to every other country in the world? Maybe the problem is that Venezuela leadership is just stupid.

  99. I am curious: is there some reason why you added the mass of text at the end? Is it to fool automatic tools that classify your comment?

  100. Perhaps a parasite/host analogy is appropriate. I am currently reading the first volume of Gulag Archipelago as recommended by Dr. Jordan Peterson. The arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.

  101. Czechoslovakia is still a socialist country. Every country is. What you are complaining about is degrees. What you should have said is that Czechoslovakia was too socialist. Which is something that can happen. A country can also be too capitalist in the sense that people are working 7 days a week 16 hours a day and are still starving. That can also happen. The point is to find the proper balance. Of course any attempt to change things will bring out the screamers.

  102. Yes taxing is stealing. Somehow a government is suppose to protect its people and provided them with law and order just my the grace of God.

  103. And you are really Scaryjello Scaramucho Sally Smellypants?Vibrant empower communities thought partnership big data humanitarian. Co-creation equal opportunity dynamic gender rights effective relief grit. Outcomes social innovation save the world to resilient. Issue outcomes natural resources think tank improve the world mass incarceration compassion social innovation activate. Synergy initiative milestones B-corp; revolutionary social innovation thought leadership framework human-centered. Disrupt resist systems thinking emerging social return on investment a. Correlation social innovation justice co-create parse think tank. Shared unit of analysis replicable save the world global movements to collective impact. Paradigm efficient society sustainable collaborate. Resilient thought leadership equal opportunity peaceful paradigm; silo transparent dynamic.

  104. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit. So to have a debate we need to know what you are talking about. What exactly do you mean by the word socialism””? What makes only Venezuela socialist as oppose to every other country in the world? Maybe the problem is that Venezuela leadership is just stupid.”””

  105. I am curious: is there some reason why you added the mass of text at the end? Is it to fool automatic tools that classify your comment?

  106. I think it was in some documentary I saw. The soviets were financial strapped and had to let some things slide. Not sure how much of a role that played in things. Maybe the stupid experiments they were running were fully sufficient to cause the disaster.

  107. I think it was in some documentary I saw. The soviets were financial strapped and had to let some things slide. Not sure how much of a role that played in things. Maybe the stupid experiments they were running were fully sufficient to cause the disaster.

  108. 1. Firstly, you are conflating the definition of socialism. From Wikipedia below “By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.” The US government does not technically own the means of production such as apple, google, etc. so they are capitalist. Venezuela takes over factories by force and runs them into the ground. Taking the means of production by force is literally the meaning of socialism. 2. Secondly, I would argue the leadership of Venezuela is not stupid at all. They are living like Kings while the country starves. So are they dictators, psychopaths, thugs? Yes they are all of those things, but they are not stupid. Similar arguments could be made for North Korea. The Un family of dictators has overseen mass starvation and prison camps for the last 70 years. The country is so bad people run away from it while being shot at. Once again they have lived liked smart kings for 70 years. I believe what Warren was saying is uncontrolled government spending and meddling in the economy always leads to destruction. It is really as simple as 50% of people figuring out they can vote themselves a raise. America is not immune to this. Both Republicans and Democrats are leading us down the same road as Venezuela. The federal government spends $4.4 trillion per year and only brings in $3 trillion. This is projected to continue indefinitely. So we could cut all federal spending 35% today and start paying down debt or we can keep going. The 2 political parties in power have chosen the status quo so I think we can make a pretty good assumption where America is headed.

  109. Design was on the cheap, yes. Desire to use 2% or less enrichment led them to use graphite. Never read that maintenance issues were contributing factors to the accident tho and I’ve studied the event more than most. Just a small nit I picked from your post.

  110. Thievery isn’t evil and it’s actually pretty hard to define outside of individual acts of people stealing the proverbial loaf of bread out of hunger. Nobody is going to argue that stealing the bread is evil. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. Was North America stolen or taken from the natives? Nope; it was appropriated perfectly legally; guys in powdered wigs said so. See? Governments can’t do anything illegal – illegal is a term applied to individuals (corporations are people too) that do not comply with government wishes. This happens everywhere – they just put lipstick on it in the USA.

  111. 1. Firstly you are conflating the definition of socialism. From Wikipedia belowBy the late 19th century” after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels” socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.””The US government does not technically own the means of production such as apple”” google etc. so they are capitalist. Venezuela takes over factories by force and runs them into the ground. Taking the means of production by force is literally the meaning of socialism.2. Secondly I would argue the leadership of Venezuela is not stupid at all. They are living like Kings while the country starves. So are they dictators psychopaths thugs? Yes they are all of those things”” but they are not stupid. Similar arguments could be made for North Korea. The Un family of dictators has overseen mass starvation and prison camps for the last 70 years. The country is so bad people run away from it while being shot at. Once again they have lived liked smart kings for 70 years. I believe what Warren was saying is uncontrolled government spending and meddling in the economy always leads to destruction. It is really as simple as 50{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of people figuring out they can vote themselves a raise. America is not immune to this. Both Republicans and Democrats are leading us down the same road as Venezuela. The federal government spends $4.4 trillion per year and only brings in $3 trillion. This is projected to continue indefinitely. So we could cut all federal spending 35{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} today and start paying down debt or we can keep going. The 2 political parties in power have chosen the status quo so I think we can make a pretty good assumption where America is headed.”””

  112. Design was on the cheap yes. Desire to use 2{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} or less enrichment led them to use graphite. Never read that maintenance issues were contributing factors to the accident tho and I’ve studied the event more than most. Just a small nit I picked from your post.

  113. Thievery isn’t evil and it’s actually pretty hard to define outside of individual acts of people stealing the proverbial loaf of bread out of hunger. Nobody is going to argue that stealing the bread is evil. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. Was North America stolen or taken from the natives? Nope; it was appropriated perfectly legally; guys in powdered wigs said so. See? Governments can’t do anything illegal – illegal is a term applied to individuals (corporations are people too) that do not comply with government wishes. This happens everywhere – they just put lipstick on it in the USA.

  114. Thievery isn’t evil ” You believing that would explain your working so hard to advance Putin’s interests against America’s. ” Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. ” Tell it to the bastards hung at Nuremberg.

  115. Maybe the problem is you. Every single comment you produce is retardation on steroids. “al governments are socialst” ok, lets play this game “all corporations are sociailst” because there is management and planning. “All capitalist economies are socialist” then. By the same token, since both rape and voluntary interocurse require having sex it means that all intercourse is sex etc. If you are not 16yo then there is no excuse.

  116. Thievery isn’t evil “”You believing that would explain your working so hard to advance Putin’s interests against America’s.”””” Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. “”””Tell it to the bastards hung at Nuremberg.”””

  117. Maybe the problem is you. Every single comment you produce is retardation on steroids. al governments are socialst”” ok”””” lets play this game “”””all corporations are sociailst”””” because there is management and planning. “”””All capitalist economies are socialist”””” then. By the same token”””” since both rape and voluntary interocurse require having sex it means that all intercourse is sex etc. If you are not 16yo then there is no excuse.”””

  118. Facts are facts. Here’s a fact: the fake news media keeps you from the truth. “Nullity” and “democide” are fancy words that you hope will make others think you are as smart as you think you are. You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated. I’ve posted the info necessary to easily find the link that was censored. Read it, and reconnect with reality.

  119. Okay, I tried to post a link and it didn’t show up. So for the real story Google Abby Martin, Venezuela. and click on “Empire Files: Abby Martin in Venezuela – Supermarkets to Black Markets”.

  120. Venezuela, which could literally pump billions of dollars out of the ground, could not make socialism work. I am reminded of 1920’s Ukraine after they sent the Kulaks to Siberia and murderded them. There, the government actually printed up posters saying: PARENTS, DO NOT EAT YOUR CHILDREN. That is the true legacy of Socialism/Communism.

  121. Facts are facts. Here’s a fact: the fake news media keeps you from the truth. Nullity”” and “”””democide”””” are fancy words that you hope will make others think you are as smart as you think you are. You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated.I’ve posted the info necessary to easily find the link that was censored. Read it”””” and reconnect with reality.”””

  122. Okay I tried to post a link and it didn’t show up. So for the real story Google Abby Martin Venezuela. and click on Empire Files: Abby Martin in Venezuela – Supermarkets to Black Markets””.”””

  123. Venezuela which could literally pump billions of dollars out of the ground could not make socialism work.I am reminded of 1920’s Ukraine after they sent the Kulaks to Siberia and murderded them. There the government actually printed up posters saying: PARENTS DO NOT EAT YOUR CHILDREN.That is the true legacy of Socialism/Communism.

  124. Only you and WarrenTheTroll are stup1d enough to think I am or have anything to do with Luca. ” Not really. You use the same writing style and even the same insults. Not to mention the latin padding in some of your posts. Nobody else does that.

  125. And you are really Scaryjello Scaramucho Sally Smellypants” Yeah, another troll account of Matteo Martini.

  126. No. They can charge fees for their services just like any other entity. Want police protection? Government can charge you a fee for it. Education for your kids? Same thing. Somehow doing so to get adjudication in the courts, access to national parks and even access on roads/bridges is AOK but not for police protection?

  127. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules.” Legal thievery is still thievery. This harsh truth is why Libtards HATE it when hearing about how Taxation is Theft. They know they can’t argue against that…only buff up the ‘legitimacy’ of doing so. Likewise, Slavery is still slavery whether it is legal for the government to do so or not (the draft).

  128. Not it isn’t. Else we would have stolen Iraq’s oil after conquering the place. We didn’t. The French and other nations did, but not US firms.

  129. the arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.” Then I take it that you have never had your Twitter account suspended or your App on the Apple App Store pulled?

  130. …and Fascist economics is where the government doesn’t take over the means of production, but just lets it remain in private ownership while regulating the hell out of so much that the distinction is meaningless. In that, the US since FDR has been practicing ‘democratic fascism’ for some time now. Especially in health care and agriculture.

  131. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit.” So? We are talking about the economy. And no, that isn’t the definition of socialism either. It’s an amazing alternate reality that you live in. How many Scrooge McDuck money bins are in your town. You know, where the rich ‘hoard’ their money in?

  132. Only you and WarrenTheTroll are stup1d enough to think I am or have anything to do with Luca. “”Not really. You use the same writing style and even the same insults. Not to mention the latin padding in some of your posts. Nobody else does that.”””

  133. And you are really Scaryjello Scaramucho Sally Smellypants””Yeah”””” another troll account of Matteo Martini.”””

  134. No. They can charge fees for their services just like any other entity.Want police protection? Government can charge you a fee for it. Education for your kids? Same thing. Somehow doing so to get adjudication in the courts access to national parks and even access on roads/bridges is AOK but not for police protection?

  135. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules.””Legal thievery is still thievery. This harsh truth is why Libtards HATE it when hearing about how Taxation is Theft. They know they can’t argue against that…only buff up the ‘legitimacy’ of doing so.Likewise”””” Slavery is still slavery whether it is legal for the government to do so or not (the draft).”””

  136. Not it isn’t. Else we would have stolen Iraq’s oil after conquering the place. We didn’t. The French and other nations did but not US firms.

  137. the arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.””Then I take it that you have never had your Twitter account suspended or your App on the Apple App Store pulled?”””

  138. …and Fascist economics is where the government doesn’t take over the means of production but just lets it remain in private ownership while regulating the hell out of so much that the distinction is meaningless.In that the US since FDR has been practicing ‘democratic fascism’ for some time now. Especially in health care and agriculture.

  139. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit.””So? We are talking about the economy. And no”” that isn’t the definition of socialism either. It’s an amazing alternate reality that you live in. How many Scrooge McDuck money bins are in your town. You know”” where the rich ‘hoard’ their money in?”””

  140. All I am doing is trying to get people to debate accurately. Government aren’t run to make profit so they can’t be capitalist. It has nothing to do with management and planning. If a corporation is a non-profit then yes they would be socialist. All economies are a mixture of capitalist elements and socialist elements. What you can argue about is what percentage of the economy should be one or the other. You can say we are too socialist because more than 30% of the economy is socialist. But what you can’t say is that country is socialist while that other country is capitalist because no country is totally one or the other. You can say the Democrats are trying to make us more socialist and we are socialist enough.

  141. Socialism seems to mean whatever people with agendas want it to mean. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners. There are many who believe taxation is theft and that government of any sort is evil. I am not a fan of anarchy. I believe that we have enough examples out there so we can see what works and what doesn’t. Socialist governments like Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, France, and the US seem to do a relatively good job of taking care of their people. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people.

  142. More likely the competent/incompetent analogy is appropriate. Venezuela is not failing because the government decided to help its people. That’s what government are for. Venezuela is failing because their leaders are incompetent.

  143. All I am doing is trying to get people to debate accurately. Government aren’t run to make profit so they can’t be capitalist. It has nothing to do with management and planning. If a corporation is a non-profit then yes they would be socialist. All economies are a mixture of capitalist elements and socialist elements. What you can argue about is what percentage of the economy should be one or the other. You can say we are too socialist because more than 30{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of the economy is socialist. But what you can’t say is that country is socialist while that other country is capitalist because no country is totally one or the other. You can say the Democrats are trying to make us more socialist and we are socialist enough.

  144. Socialism seems to mean whatever people with agendas want it to mean. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners. There are many who believe taxation is theft and that government of any sort is evil. I am not a fan of anarchy. I believe that we have enough examples out there so we can see what works and what doesn’t. Socialist governments like Great Britain Norway Sweden France and the US seem to do a relatively good job of taking care of their people. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people.

  145. More likely the competent/incompetent analogy is appropriate. Venezuela is not failing because the government decided to help its people. That’s what government are for. Venezuela is failing because their leaders are incompetent.

  146. Venezuela’s problems started because of capitalism (socialism is a new problem). Before Chavez became president Venezuela was one of the richest countries in South America but with some of the worst poverty. It’s government was overrun with greed and the people suffered. After Chavez became president, which only happened because the income inequality gap was ridiculous, he started to use the countries oil money to give back to the citizens (socialism) in the form of jobs, food and schools. That pissed off a lot of wealthy capitalists and so Chavez forced the government to begin taking over industry, not a good idea in most cases (the U.S. did it in WWII to great effect, but it was temporary). Here’s where it gets complicated. Under Chavez the poverty rate fell more than 50%. And so, he kept getting re-elected, until he died. Since then Maduro kept using the government to take over everything. Ugh. Socialism and Capitalism are both tools. Some tools work better in certain situations than others. Socialism got us to the moon in the 1960’s. It cost us a lot of money but I don’t think a single rational American would say today that it wasn’t worth it. A company certainly could not have gotten us to the moon in 1969, but today is a different story. Suddenly it’s SpaceX, a private company that is creating the most progress in the space industry. The U.S. military is a perfect example of where socialism does better than capitalism. Our military is bound by our constitution as it should be. A private military is only bound to the company’s fiduciary responsibility to make a profit. So we need to stop demonizing socialism and remember it’s just a tool like capitalism and it needs to be used correctly. And as long as we remain a democracy we’ll be okay no matter what 😉

  147. The debt isn’t really something we can just start to pay down today if we got rid of our deficit. Most of the debt is held in mutual funds and bonds that are owned by Americans and foreign governments. More than a quarter of the debt is what we owe to ourselves in the future such as pensions and social security. Out of the $21T debit a little less than one third is owed to foreign governments. The money we owe in funds and bonds will be paid back at the convenience of the borrower.

  148. Venezuela’s problems started because of capitalism (socialism is a new problem). Before Chavez became president Venezuela was one of the richest countries in South America but with some of the worst poverty. It’s government was overrun with greed and the people suffered. After Chavez became president which only happened because the income inequality gap was ridiculous he started to use the countries oil money to give back to the citizens (socialism) in the form of jobs food and schools. That pissed off a lot of wealthy capitalists and so Chavez forced the government to begin taking over industry not a good idea in most cases (the U.S. did it in WWII to great effect but it was temporary). Here’s where it gets complicated. Under Chavez the poverty rate fell more than 50{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}. And so he kept getting re-elected until he died. Since then Maduro kept using the government to take over everything. Ugh. Socialism and Capitalism are both tools. Some tools work better in certain situations than others. Socialism got us to the moon in the 1960’s. It cost us a lot of money but I don’t think a single rational American would say today that it wasn’t worth it. A company certainly could not have gotten us to the moon in 1969 but today is a different story. Suddenly it’s SpaceX a private company that is creating the most progress in the space industry. The U.S. military is a perfect example of where socialism does better than capitalism. Our military is bound by our constitution as it should be. A private military is only bound to the company’s fiduciary responsibility to make a profit. So we need to stop demonizing socialism and remember it’s just a tool like capitalism and it needs to be used correctly. And as long as we remain a democracy we’ll be okay no matter what 😉

  149. The debt isn’t really something we can just start to pay down today if we got rid of our deficit. Most of the debt is held in mutual funds and bonds that are owned by Americans and foreign governments. More than a quarter of the debt is what we owe to ourselves in the future such as pensions and social security. Out of the $21T debit a little less than one third is owed to foreign governments. The money we owe in funds and bonds will be paid back at the convenience of the borrower.

  150. Thats oldest eristical trick in the book. Conflating terms, destryoing meaning of words and then flipping the discussion. Not on my watch, kiddo. Socialism means seizing means of production by government, central planned economy. Period. However with your “attempt at getting people to debate accurately” the fact that in order to make noodles you need flour will make pizza out of pasta, and hey, isnt that italian food, whata coincidence. Pasta, pizza, italian food-we are home! Flour is italian food ingredient! we all eat italian food. And since italians eat italian food therefore we are all Italians! magnificent, isnt it? Since court system is suddenly “socialism” that means, that we already have socialism! therefore now I can argue for more of it, and you cannot do antyhing about it! How brilliant. WRRRONG! No, welfare programs is not “socialism”. No, law is not “socialism”, military, police, court system etc. isnt “socilaism” either, and regulation isn’t socialism too. Learn meaning of words or get out.

  151. Thats oldest eristical trick in the book. Conflating terms destryoing meaning of words and then flipping the discussion. Not on my watch kiddo. Socialism means seizing means of production by government central planned economy. Period. However with your attempt at getting people to debate accurately”” the fact that in order to make noodles you need flour will make pizza out of pasta”” and hey isnt that italian food whata coincidence. Pasta pizza italian food-we are home! Flour is italian food ingredient! we all eat italian food. And since italians eat italian food therefore we are all Italians! magnificent”” isnt it? Since court system is suddenly “”””socialism”””” that means”” that we already have socialism! therefore now I can argue for more of it and you cannot do antyhing about it! How brilliant.WRRRONG!No”” welfare programs is not “”””socialism””””. No”””” law is not “”””socialism”””””” military police”” court system etc. isnt “”””socilaism”””” either”””” and regulation isn’t socialism too. Learn meaning of words or get out.”””

  152. No. Socialism is a planned, centrally restricted economy it differs only from communism in that the appearance of private property is preserved–not too different from fascism, only less overt compelled state worship.

  153. Moron, you have linked to no truth, neither would any badly needed US intervention in Venezuela involve stealing their oil. ” You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated.

  154. Venezuela is failing because of how it decided to “help” it’s people. Socialism is no help. It’s leaders are perfectly competent at enriching themselves, as they planned.

  155. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people.

  156. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners.

  157. Socialism has nothing to do with “not for profit”, it has to do with top down centralized command and control of the economy, preventing individual liberty — eliminating personal choice. No one said Venezuela was the only socialist country? Why are you either dumb or lying to claim they did?

  158. Moron you have linked to no truth neither would any badly needed US intervention in Venezuela involve stealing their oil. You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated. “” “””

  159. Venezuela is failing because of how it decided to help”” it’s people. Socialism is no help. It’s leaders are perfectly competent at enriching themselves”””” as they planned.”””

  160. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people. “” “””

  161. Socialism has nothing to do with ot for profit””” it has to do with top down centralized command and control of the economy”” preventing individual liberty — eliminating personal choice. No one said Venezuela was the only socialist country? Why are you either dumb or lying to claim they did?”””

  162. No, we do not have even remotely the same style or insults, although since you richly deserve them–you lie a lot–you do see a lot of insults. I have to presume the same rules apply to everyone, you have to pad out any wording evaluated as “toxic” by Vuukle to make the post — that’s why the lorem ipsum.

  163. No we do not have even remotely the same style or insults although since you richly deserve them–you lie a lot–you do see a lot of insults.I have to presume the same rules apply to everyone you have to pad out any wording evaluated as toxic”” by Vuukle to make the post — that’s why the lorem ipsum.”””

  164. No. Socialism is a planned centrally restricted economy it differs only from communism in that the appearance of private property is preserved–not too different from fascism only less overt compelled state worship.

  165. The only person having a meaning issue is you. We can either agree on the definition given by Merriam Webster or we might as well just give up on the English language. Your attempt to inject race into the discussion is actually just sad. The only person to bring up race in the relevant sub thread is you. Majority of babies born in 2019 will have brown skin. The USA will be majority brown skin by 2041. You are beating a dead horse when you inject the racism straw man in to debate about economic theory. I’m feeling happy on a Saturday so I will try to give you unearned benefit of doubt. The current USA government spending is 42% of GDP. I think it should be 25%-30%. Give me faith in humanity here, tell me what % you prefer. No wrong answer on this one but just give me a number and maybe I can learn something about your mindset.

  166. The only person having a meaning issue is you. We can either agree on the definition given by Merriam Webster or we might as well just give up on the English language. Your attempt to inject race into the discussion is actually just sad. The only person to bring up race in the relevant sub thread is you. Majority of babies born in 2019 will have brown skin. The USA will be majority brown skin by 2041. You are beating a dead horse when you inject the racism straw man in to debate about economic theory. I’m feeling happy on a Saturday so I will try to give you unearned benefit of doubt. The current USA government spending is 42{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of GDP. I think it should be 25{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}-30{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}. Give me faith in humanity here tell me what {22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} you prefer. No wrong answer on this one but just give me a number and maybe I can learn something about your mindset.

  167. You need to separate political systems from economical systems. That is why you are confused. BTW, the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy.

  168. Capitalism isn’t liberty. Capitalism is an economical system. Liberty has to do with a political system. They are apples and oranges. You can have capitalism without liberty, aka China. As I have stated all organizations that provides services and goods without the intention of generating profits are socialist which includes all governments. If you disagree then tell me what economical system do these organizations fall under.

  169. What economical system do governments run under? I say they can’t be capitalist because they aren’t run for profit. But you say they aren’t socialist. So what are they? So the 1st Amendment of the Constitution protects religion and the Church is as socialist an institution as institutions can be how would respecting the Constitution make socialism illegal?

  170. While I have some bad news for you. The government has some control of the economy. It is call laws, regulation and monetary policies. And then there is tariffs. In life there is rarely anything that is black or white. Almost everything is gray. As for preventing individual liberty and eliminating personal choice that is totalitarianism not socialism. Socialism is an economical system while totalitarianism is a political system. Two different kind of ideas.

  171. And that is the problem. Socialism has a specific meaning to you. Its not the agreed to definition. Its the definition that people have after years of exposure to right wing propaganda. You were lied to and bamboozled. And now you voluntarily drink the kool-aid. By the way if government isn’t capitalism then what is it?

  172. You need to separate political systems from economical systems. That is why you are confused. BTW the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy.

  173. Capitalism isn’t liberty. Capitalism is an economical system. Liberty has to do with a political system. They are apples and oranges. You can have capitalism without liberty aka China. As I have stated all organizations that provides services and goods without the intention of generating profits are socialist which includes all governments. If you disagree then tell me what economical system do these organizations fall under.

  174. What economical system do governments run under? I say they can’t be capitalist because they aren’t run for profit. But you say they aren’t socialist. So what are they? So the 1st Amendment of the Constitution protects religion and the Church is as socialist an institution as institutions can be how would respecting the Constitution make socialism illegal?

  175. While I have some bad news for you. The government has some control of the economy. It is call laws regulation and monetary policies. And then there is tariffs. In life there is rarely anything that is black or white. Almost everything is gray. As for preventing individual liberty and eliminating personal choice that is totalitarianism not socialism. Socialism is an economical system while totalitarianism is a political system. Two different kind of ideas.

  176. And that is the problem. Socialism has a specific meaning to you. Its not the agreed to definition. Its the definition that people have after years of exposure to right wing propaganda. You were lied to and bamboozled. And now you voluntarily drink the kool-aid. By the way if government isn’t capitalism then what is it?

  177. I am using the word as defined. Why didn’t you include the definition from Webster and write how my definition differs. Race is the critical factor. Most people bring up socialism because they hate the idea that some small fraction of their tax money may go to help the black and the brown. 42% is fine with me. I just think the military gets too much. I would cut the military by $300 billion, put $200 billion of that into healthcare and $100 billion into lowering the cost of college education by funding community and state colleges and lowering the student loan interest rate. Just to make sure you know how socialist I am these are the other things I would do. I would raise the minimum wage. I would also lower tax on the poor and middle class and raise it on the rich. And I would tax capital gains at the same rate as income. I would gradually raise tax rate until the government is in the black so that the national debt could be paid off except for a few trillion and that is because there is a need for some high quality debt.

  178. You are confused. Because the individual right to property is dependent on being politically recognized for it’s effectual use, there is no separation. ” BTW, the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy.

  179. I am using the word as defined. Why didn’t you include the definition from Webster and write how my definition differs. Race is the critical factor. Most people bring up socialism because they hate the idea that some small fraction of their tax money may go to help the black and the brown. 42{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} is fine with me. I just think the military gets too much. I would cut the military by $300 billion put $200 billion of that into healthcare and $100 billion into lowering the cost of college education by funding community and state colleges and lowering the student loan interest rate. Just to make sure you know how socialist I am these are the other things I would do. I would raise the minimum wage. I would also lower tax on the poor and middle class and raise it on the rich. And I would tax capital gains at the same rate as income. I would gradually raise tax rate until the government is in the black so that the national debt could be paid off except for a few trillion and that is because there is a need for some high quality debt.

  180. You are confused. Because the individual right to property is dependent on being politically recognized for it’s effectual use there is no separation. BTW”” the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy. “” “””

  181. I am not confused. There is no reason why you can’t have both socialism and property rights. The world is not 100% socialism or 100% capitalism and nothing in between. In fact I argue that most countries are about half and half and that may be the proper mix. And the government can afford to be only the night watchman because that is much too dangerous. The driving force behind capitalism is greed. Without tight control greed will will destroy the economy. No business owner likes to work for their profit. They all want to be rentiers and just collect money. That cannot be allowed. The government creates the spaces for business, write the laws, enforce the laws. The government also create the law and order that business needs to operate in.

  182. I am not confused. There is no reason why you can’t have both socialism and property rights. The world is not 100{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} socialism or 100{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} capitalism and nothing in between. In fact I argue that most countries are about half and half and that may be the proper mix. And the government can afford to be only the night watchman because that is much too dangerous. The driving force behind capitalism is greed. Without tight control greed will will destroy the economy. No business owner likes to work for their profit. They all want to be rentiers and just collect money. That cannot be allowed. The government creates the spaces for business write the laws enforce the laws. The government also create the law and order that business needs to operate in.

  183. Mark, that was a great answer. 42% is a little high for me personally but status quo probably isn’t the worst thing. I like your bold idea to cut military spending in half, there is probably room to cut some as long as we don’t get involved in protracted foreign conflict. Kudos to you for a plan to balance the budget. Your plan for taxes could work as well as anything I suppose. Do keep in mind that 44% of Americans pay no income tax. I’m guessing when you say you would lower taxes on the poor you mean they would actually receive unearned payments through the tax system? So all poor and some middle class would effectively have negative tax rates?

  184. Mark that was a great answer. 42{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} is a little high for me personally but status quo probably isn’t the worst thing. I like your bold idea to cut military spending in half there is probably room to cut some as long as we don’t get involved in protracted foreign conflict. Kudos to you for a plan to balance the budget. Your plan for taxes could work as well as anything I suppose. Do keep in mind that 44{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of Americans pay no income tax. I’m guessing when you say you would lower taxes on the poor you mean they would actually receive unearned payments through the tax system? So all poor and some middle class would effectively have negative tax rates?

  185. The “Earn Income Tax” is the Republican idea for dealing with the Minimum Wage. I would prefer just raising the Minimum Wage. Since you can’t get blood out of a stone taxing people who have no money seems futile and wicked. Poor people pay the following taxes: sales tax, social security tax, Medicare tax, excise taxes, taxes collected by utilities. As the tea party said “Tax Enough Already”. If you are going to tax anyone then tax people who have so much money that they can’t spend it all, their children won’t be able to spend it all and their numerous grandchildren won’t be able to spend it all. Tax people who have more than enough money to buy politicians who pass laws to cut their taxes while raising ours.

  186. Everything a government does is socialism. Venezuela failed because its leaders are stupid not because of socialism.

  187. The Earn Income Tax”” is the Republican idea for dealing with the Minimum Wage. I would prefer just raising the Minimum Wage. Since you can’t get blood out of a stone taxing people who have no money seems futile and wicked. Poor people pay the following taxes: sales tax”” social security tax Medicare tax excise taxes”” taxes collected by utilities. As the tea party said “”””Tax Enough Already””””. If you are going to tax anyone then tax people who have so much money that they can’t spend it all”””” their children won’t be able to spend it all and their numerous grandchildren won’t be able to spend it all. Tax people who have more than enough money to buy politicians who pass laws to cut their taxes while raising ours.”””

  188. Everything a government does is socialism. Venezuela failed because its leaders are stupid not because of socialism.

  189. The “Earn Income Tax” is the Republican idea for dealing with the Minimum Wage. I would prefer just raising the Minimum Wage. Since you can’t get blood out of a stone taxing people who have no money seems futile and wicked. Poor people pay the following taxes: sales tax, social security tax, Medicare tax, excise taxes, taxes collected by utilities. As the tea party said “Tax Enough Already”. If you are going to tax anyone then tax people who have so much money that they can’t spend it all, their children won’t be able to spend it all and their numerous grandchildren won’t be able to spend it all. Tax people who have more than enough money to buy politicians who pass laws to cut their taxes while raising ours.

  190. The Earn Income Tax”” is the Republican idea for dealing with the Minimum Wage. I would prefer just raising the Minimum Wage. Since you can’t get blood out of a stone taxing people who have no money seems futile and wicked. Poor people pay the following taxes: sales tax”” social security tax Medicare tax excise taxes”” taxes collected by utilities. As the tea party said “”””Tax Enough Already””””. If you are going to tax anyone then tax people who have so much money that they can’t spend it all”””” their children won’t be able to spend it all and their numerous grandchildren won’t be able to spend it all. Tax people who have more than enough money to buy politicians who pass laws to cut their taxes while raising ours.”””

  191. Everything a government does is socialism. Venezuela failed because its leaders are stupid not because of socialism.

  192. Everything a government does is socialism. Venezuela failed because its leaders are stupid not because of socialism.

  193. Mark, that was a great answer. 42% is a little high for me personally but status quo probably isn’t the worst thing. I like your bold idea to cut military spending in half, there is probably room to cut some as long as we don’t get involved in protracted foreign conflict. Kudos to you for a plan to balance the budget. Your plan for taxes could work as well as anything I suppose. Do keep in mind that 44% of Americans pay no income tax. I’m guessing when you say you would lower taxes on the poor you mean they would actually receive unearned payments through the tax system? So all poor and some middle class would effectively have negative tax rates?

  194. Mark that was a great answer. 42{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} is a little high for me personally but status quo probably isn’t the worst thing. I like your bold idea to cut military spending in half there is probably room to cut some as long as we don’t get involved in protracted foreign conflict. Kudos to you for a plan to balance the budget. Your plan for taxes could work as well as anything I suppose. Do keep in mind that 44{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of Americans pay no income tax. I’m guessing when you say you would lower taxes on the poor you mean they would actually receive unearned payments through the tax system? So all poor and some middle class would effectively have negative tax rates?

  195. The “Earn Income Tax” is the Republican idea for dealing with the Minimum Wage. I would prefer just raising the Minimum Wage. Since you can’t get blood out of a stone taxing people who have no money seems futile and wicked. Poor people pay the following taxes: sales tax, social security tax, Medicare tax, excise taxes, taxes collected by utilities. As the tea party said “Tax Enough Already”. If you are going to tax anyone then tax people who have so much money that they can’t spend it all, their children won’t be able to spend it all and their numerous grandchildren won’t be able to spend it all. Tax people who have more than enough money to buy politicians who pass laws to cut their taxes while raising ours.

  196. I am not confused. There is no reason why you can’t have both socialism and property rights. The world is not 100% socialism or 100% capitalism and nothing in between. In fact I argue that most countries are about half and half and that may be the proper mix. And the government can afford to be only the night watchman because that is much too dangerous. The driving force behind capitalism is greed. Without tight control greed will will destroy the economy. No business owner likes to work for their profit. They all want to be rentiers and just collect money. That cannot be allowed. The government creates the spaces for business, write the laws, enforce the laws. The government also create the law and order that business needs to operate in.

  197. I am not confused. There is no reason why you can’t have both socialism and property rights. The world is not 100{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} socialism or 100{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} capitalism and nothing in between. In fact I argue that most countries are about half and half and that may be the proper mix. And the government can afford to be only the night watchman because that is much too dangerous. The driving force behind capitalism is greed. Without tight control greed will will destroy the economy. No business owner likes to work for their profit. They all want to be rentiers and just collect money. That cannot be allowed. The government creates the spaces for business write the laws enforce the laws. The government also create the law and order that business needs to operate in.

  198. Mark, that was a great answer. 42% is a little high for me personally but status quo probably isn’t the worst thing. I like your bold idea to cut military spending in half, there is probably room to cut some as long as we don’t get involved in protracted foreign conflict. Kudos to you for a plan to balance the budget. Your plan for taxes could work as well as anything I suppose. Do keep in mind that 44% of Americans pay no income tax. I’m guessing when you say you would lower taxes on the poor you mean they would actually receive unearned payments through the tax system? So all poor and some middle class would effectively have negative tax rates?

  199. I am using the word as defined. Why didn’t you include the definition from Webster and write how my definition differs. Race is the critical factor. Most people bring up socialism because they hate the idea that some small fraction of their tax money may go to help the black and the brown. 42% is fine with me. I just think the military gets too much. I would cut the military by $300 billion, put $200 billion of that into healthcare and $100 billion into lowering the cost of college education by funding community and state colleges and lowering the student loan interest rate. Just to make sure you know how socialist I am these are the other things I would do. I would raise the minimum wage. I would also lower tax on the poor and middle class and raise it on the rich. And I would tax capital gains at the same rate as income. I would gradually raise tax rate until the government is in the black so that the national debt could be paid off except for a few trillion and that is because there is a need for some high quality debt.

  200. I am using the word as defined. Why didn’t you include the definition from Webster and write how my definition differs. Race is the critical factor. Most people bring up socialism because they hate the idea that some small fraction of their tax money may go to help the black and the brown. 42{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} is fine with me. I just think the military gets too much. I would cut the military by $300 billion put $200 billion of that into healthcare and $100 billion into lowering the cost of college education by funding community and state colleges and lowering the student loan interest rate. Just to make sure you know how socialist I am these are the other things I would do. I would raise the minimum wage. I would also lower tax on the poor and middle class and raise it on the rich. And I would tax capital gains at the same rate as income. I would gradually raise tax rate until the government is in the black so that the national debt could be paid off except for a few trillion and that is because there is a need for some high quality debt.

  201. You are confused. Because the individual right to property is dependent on being politically recognized for it’s effectual use, there is no separation. ” BTW, the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy.

  202. You are confused. Because the individual right to property is dependent on being politically recognized for it’s effectual use there is no separation. BTW”” the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy. “” “””

  203. You need to separate political systems from economical systems. That is why you are confused. BTW, the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy.

  204. You need to separate political systems from economical systems. That is why you are confused. BTW the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy.

  205. Capitalism isn’t liberty. Capitalism is an economical system. Liberty has to do with a political system. They are apples and oranges. You can have capitalism without liberty, aka China. As I have stated all organizations that provides services and goods without the intention of generating profits are socialist which includes all governments. If you disagree then tell me what economical system do these organizations fall under.

  206. Capitalism isn’t liberty. Capitalism is an economical system. Liberty has to do with a political system. They are apples and oranges. You can have capitalism without liberty aka China. As I have stated all organizations that provides services and goods without the intention of generating profits are socialist which includes all governments. If you disagree then tell me what economical system do these organizations fall under.

  207. What economical system do governments run under? I say they can’t be capitalist because they aren’t run for profit. But you say they aren’t socialist. So what are they? So the 1st Amendment of the Constitution protects religion and the Church is as socialist an institution as institutions can be how would respecting the Constitution make socialism illegal?

  208. What economical system do governments run under? I say they can’t be capitalist because they aren’t run for profit. But you say they aren’t socialist. So what are they? So the 1st Amendment of the Constitution protects religion and the Church is as socialist an institution as institutions can be how would respecting the Constitution make socialism illegal?

  209. While I have some bad news for you. The government has some control of the economy. It is call laws, regulation and monetary policies. And then there is tariffs. In life there is rarely anything that is black or white. Almost everything is gray. As for preventing individual liberty and eliminating personal choice that is totalitarianism not socialism. Socialism is an economical system while totalitarianism is a political system. Two different kind of ideas.

  210. While I have some bad news for you. The government has some control of the economy. It is call laws regulation and monetary policies. And then there is tariffs. In life there is rarely anything that is black or white. Almost everything is gray. As for preventing individual liberty and eliminating personal choice that is totalitarianism not socialism. Socialism is an economical system while totalitarianism is a political system. Two different kind of ideas.

  211. I am not confused. There is no reason why you can’t have both socialism and property rights. The world is not 100% socialism or 100% capitalism and nothing in between. In fact I argue that most countries are about half and half and that may be the proper mix.

    And the government can afford to be only the night watchman because that is much too dangerous. The driving force behind capitalism is greed. Without tight control greed will will destroy the economy. No business owner likes to work for their profit. They all want to be rentiers and just collect money. That cannot be allowed. The government creates the spaces for business, write the laws, enforce the laws. The government also create the law and order that business needs to operate in.

  212. And that is the problem. Socialism has a specific meaning to you. Its not the agreed to definition. Its the definition that people have after years of exposure to right wing propaganda. You were lied to and bamboozled. And now you voluntarily drink the kool-aid. By the way if government isn’t capitalism then what is it?

  213. And that is the problem. Socialism has a specific meaning to you. Its not the agreed to definition. Its the definition that people have after years of exposure to right wing propaganda. You were lied to and bamboozled. And now you voluntarily drink the kool-aid. By the way if government isn’t capitalism then what is it?

  214. I am using the word as defined. Why didn’t you include the definition from Webster and write how my definition differs. Race is the critical factor. Most people bring up socialism because they hate the idea that some small fraction of their tax money may go to help the black and the brown.

    42% is fine with me. I just think the military gets too much. I would cut the military by $300 billion, put $200 billion of that into healthcare and $100 billion into lowering the cost of college education by funding community and state colleges and lowering the student loan interest rate.

    Just to make sure you know how socialist I am these are the other things I would do. I would raise the minimum wage. I would also lower tax on the poor and middle class and raise it on the rich. And I would tax capital gains at the same rate as income. I would gradually raise tax rate until the government is in the black so that the national debt could be paid off except for a few trillion and that is because there is a need for some high quality debt.

  215. You are confused. Because the individual right to property is dependent on being politically recognized for it’s effectual use, there is no separation.

    ” BTW, the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy. ” <-- That is not the case, it need only be the night watchmen, evenhandedly punishing transgressions of tights.

  216. You need to separate political systems from economical systems. That is why you are confused.

    BTW, the requirement for law and order means that the government must in some way control the economy.

  217. Capitalism isn’t liberty. Capitalism is an economical system. Liberty has to do with a political system. They are apples and oranges. You can have capitalism without liberty, aka China.

    As I have stated all organizations that provides services and goods without the intention of generating profits are socialist which includes all governments. If you disagree then tell me what economical system do these organizations fall under.

  218. What economical system do governments run under? I say they can’t be capitalist because they aren’t run for profit. But you say they aren’t socialist. So what are they?

    So the 1st Amendment of the Constitution protects religion and the Church is as socialist an institution as institutions can be how would respecting the Constitution make socialism illegal?

  219. While I have some bad news for you. The government has some control of the economy. It is call laws, regulation and monetary policies. And then there is tariffs. In life there is rarely anything that is black or white. Almost everything is gray.

    As for preventing individual liberty and eliminating personal choice that is totalitarianism not socialism. Socialism is an economical system while totalitarianism is a political system. Two different kind of ideas.

  220. And that is the problem. Socialism has a specific meaning to you. Its not the agreed to definition. Its the definition that people have after years of exposure to right wing propaganda. You were lied to and bamboozled. And now you voluntarily drink the kool-aid.

    By the way if government isn’t capitalism then what is it?

  221. The only person having a meaning issue is you. We can either agree on the definition given by Merriam Webster or we might as well just give up on the English language. Your attempt to inject race into the discussion is actually just sad. The only person to bring up race in the relevant sub thread is you. Majority of babies born in 2019 will have brown skin. The USA will be majority brown skin by 2041. You are beating a dead horse when you inject the racism straw man in to debate about economic theory. I’m feeling happy on a Saturday so I will try to give you unearned benefit of doubt. The current USA government spending is 42% of GDP. I think it should be 25%-30%. Give me faith in humanity here, tell me what % you prefer. No wrong answer on this one but just give me a number and maybe I can learn something about your mindset.

  222. The only person having a meaning issue is you. We can either agree on the definition given by Merriam Webster or we might as well just give up on the English language. Your attempt to inject race into the discussion is actually just sad. The only person to bring up race in the relevant sub thread is you. Majority of babies born in 2019 will have brown skin. The USA will be majority brown skin by 2041. You are beating a dead horse when you inject the racism straw man in to debate about economic theory. I’m feeling happy on a Saturday so I will try to give you unearned benefit of doubt. The current USA government spending is 42{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of GDP. I think it should be 25{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}-30{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}. Give me faith in humanity here tell me what {22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} you prefer. No wrong answer on this one but just give me a number and maybe I can learn something about your mindset.

  223. No, we do not have even remotely the same style or insults, although since you richly deserve them–you lie a lot–you do see a lot of insults. I have to presume the same rules apply to everyone, you have to pad out any wording evaluated as “toxic” by Vuukle to make the post — that’s why the lorem ipsum.

  224. No we do not have even remotely the same style or insults although since you richly deserve them–you lie a lot–you do see a lot of insults.I have to presume the same rules apply to everyone you have to pad out any wording evaluated as toxic”” by Vuukle to make the post — that’s why the lorem ipsum.”””

  225. No. Socialism is a planned, centrally restricted economy it differs only from communism in that the appearance of private property is preserved–not too different from fascism, only less overt compelled state worship.

  226. No. Socialism is a planned centrally restricted economy it differs only from communism in that the appearance of private property is preserved–not too different from fascism only less overt compelled state worship.

  227. Moron, you have linked to no truth, neither would any badly needed US intervention in Venezuela involve stealing their oil. ” You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated.

  228. Moron you have linked to no truth neither would any badly needed US intervention in Venezuela involve stealing their oil. You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated. “” “””

  229. Venezuela is failing because of how it decided to “help” it’s people. Socialism is no help. It’s leaders are perfectly competent at enriching themselves, as they planned.

  230. Venezuela is failing because of how it decided to help”” it’s people. Socialism is no help. It’s leaders are perfectly competent at enriching themselves”””” as they planned.”””

  231. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people.

  232. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people. “” “””

  233. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners.

  234. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners. “” “””

  235. Socialism has nothing to do with “not for profit”, it has to do with top down centralized command and control of the economy, preventing individual liberty — eliminating personal choice. No one said Venezuela was the only socialist country? Why are you either dumb or lying to claim they did?

  236. Socialism has nothing to do with ot for profit””” it has to do with top down centralized command and control of the economy”” preventing individual liberty — eliminating personal choice. No one said Venezuela was the only socialist country? Why are you either dumb or lying to claim they did?”””

  237. Thats oldest eristical trick in the book. Conflating terms, destryoing meaning of words and then flipping the discussion. Not on my watch, kiddo. Socialism means seizing means of production by government, central planned economy. Period. However with your “attempt at getting people to debate accurately” the fact that in order to make noodles you need flour will make pizza out of pasta, and hey, isnt that italian food, whata coincidence. Pasta, pizza, italian food-we are home! Flour is italian food ingredient! we all eat italian food. And since italians eat italian food therefore we are all Italians! magnificent, isnt it? Since court system is suddenly “socialism” that means, that we already have socialism! therefore now I can argue for more of it, and you cannot do antyhing about it! How brilliant. WRRRONG! No, welfare programs is not “socialism”. No, law is not “socialism”, military, police, court system etc. isnt “socilaism” either, and regulation isn’t socialism too. Learn meaning of words or get out.

  238. Thats oldest eristical trick in the book. Conflating terms destryoing meaning of words and then flipping the discussion. Not on my watch kiddo. Socialism means seizing means of production by government central planned economy. Period. However with your attempt at getting people to debate accurately”” the fact that in order to make noodles you need flour will make pizza out of pasta”” and hey isnt that italian food whata coincidence. Pasta pizza italian food-we are home! Flour is italian food ingredient! we all eat italian food. And since italians eat italian food therefore we are all Italians! magnificent”” isnt it? Since court system is suddenly “”””socialism”””” that means”” that we already have socialism! therefore now I can argue for more of it and you cannot do antyhing about it! How brilliant.WRRRONG!No”” welfare programs is not “”””socialism””””. No”””” law is not “”””socialism”””””” military police”” court system etc. isnt “”””socilaism”””” either”””” and regulation isn’t socialism too. Learn meaning of words or get out.”””

  239. The only person having a meaning issue is you. We can either agree on the definition given by Merriam Webster or we might as well just give up on the English language. Your attempt to inject race into the discussion is actually just sad. The only person to bring up race in the relevant sub thread is you. Majority of babies born in 2019 will have brown skin. The USA will be majority brown skin by 2041. You are beating a dead horse when you inject the racism straw man in to debate about economic theory. I’m feeling happy on a Saturday so I will try to give you unearned benefit of doubt. The current USA government spending is 42% of GDP. I think it should be 25%-30%. Give me faith in humanity here, tell me what % you prefer. No wrong answer on this one but just give me a number and maybe I can learn something about your mindset.

  240. Venezuela’s problems started because of capitalism (socialism is a new problem). Before Chavez became president Venezuela was one of the richest countries in South America but with some of the worst poverty. It’s government was overrun with greed and the people suffered. After Chavez became president, which only happened because the income inequality gap was ridiculous, he started to use the countries oil money to give back to the citizens (socialism) in the form of jobs, food and schools. That pissed off a lot of wealthy capitalists and so Chavez forced the government to begin taking over industry, not a good idea in most cases (the U.S. did it in WWII to great effect, but it was temporary). Here’s where it gets complicated. Under Chavez the poverty rate fell more than 50%. And so, he kept getting re-elected, until he died. Since then Maduro kept using the government to take over everything. Ugh. Socialism and Capitalism are both tools. Some tools work better in certain situations than others. Socialism got us to the moon in the 1960’s. It cost us a lot of money but I don’t think a single rational American would say today that it wasn’t worth it. A company certainly could not have gotten us to the moon in 1969, but today is a different story. Suddenly it’s SpaceX, a private company that is creating the most progress in the space industry. The U.S. military is a perfect example of where socialism does better than capitalism. Our military is bound by our constitution as it should be. A private military is only bound to the company’s fiduciary responsibility to make a profit. So we need to stop demonizing socialism and remember it’s just a tool like capitalism and it needs to be used correctly. And as long as we remain a democracy we’ll be okay no matter what 😉

  241. Venezuela’s problems started because of capitalism (socialism is a new problem). Before Chavez became president Venezuela was one of the richest countries in South America but with some of the worst poverty. It’s government was overrun with greed and the people suffered. After Chavez became president which only happened because the income inequality gap was ridiculous he started to use the countries oil money to give back to the citizens (socialism) in the form of jobs food and schools. That pissed off a lot of wealthy capitalists and so Chavez forced the government to begin taking over industry not a good idea in most cases (the U.S. did it in WWII to great effect but it was temporary). Here’s where it gets complicated. Under Chavez the poverty rate fell more than 50{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12}. And so he kept getting re-elected until he died. Since then Maduro kept using the government to take over everything. Ugh. Socialism and Capitalism are both tools. Some tools work better in certain situations than others. Socialism got us to the moon in the 1960’s. It cost us a lot of money but I don’t think a single rational American would say today that it wasn’t worth it. A company certainly could not have gotten us to the moon in 1969 but today is a different story. Suddenly it’s SpaceX a private company that is creating the most progress in the space industry. The U.S. military is a perfect example of where socialism does better than capitalism. Our military is bound by our constitution as it should be. A private military is only bound to the company’s fiduciary responsibility to make a profit. So we need to stop demonizing socialism and remember it’s just a tool like capitalism and it needs to be used correctly. And as long as we remain a democracy we’ll be okay no matter what 😉

  242. The debt isn’t really something we can just start to pay down today if we got rid of our deficit. Most of the debt is held in mutual funds and bonds that are owned by Americans and foreign governments. More than a quarter of the debt is what we owe to ourselves in the future such as pensions and social security. Out of the $21T debit a little less than one third is owed to foreign governments. The money we owe in funds and bonds will be paid back at the convenience of the borrower.

  243. The debt isn’t really something we can just start to pay down today if we got rid of our deficit. Most of the debt is held in mutual funds and bonds that are owned by Americans and foreign governments. More than a quarter of the debt is what we owe to ourselves in the future such as pensions and social security. Out of the $21T debit a little less than one third is owed to foreign governments. The money we owe in funds and bonds will be paid back at the convenience of the borrower.

  244. No, we do not have even remotely the same style or insults, although since you richly deserve them–you lie a lot–you do see a lot of insults.

    I have to presume the same rules apply to everyone, you have to pad out any wording evaluated as “toxic” by Vuukle to make the post — that’s why the lorem ipsum.

  245. No. Socialism is a planned, centrally restricted economy it differs only from communism in that the appearance of private property is preserved–not too different from fascism, only less overt compelled state worship.

  246. Moron, you have linked to no truth, neither would any badly needed US intervention in Venezuela involve stealing their oil.

    ” You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated. ” <-- Quit speaking so self-referentially. The flood or hungry refugees into neighboring countries is not fake news. Neither is the inevitability of general black markets where the government makes the economy break.

  247. Venezuela is failing because of how it decided to “help” it’s people. Socialism is no help. It’s leaders are perfectly competent at enriching themselves, as they planned.

  248. ” When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people. ” <-- And it is your grotesque racism to presume they need to be taken care of. They are not children, they don't need the Great White Hope to tell them how to order their lives--and the more of that you Leftists do, the worse off their lives are.

  249. ” We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners. ” <-- No, capitalism is liberty, they are the same thing. It exists to the acknowledged benefit of everyone who is not pathological, unintelligent, or uniformed. Socialism is the centralized, politicized criminalization of liberty. It exists to the benefit only of Paul when socialist governments rob Peter, and to the benefit of those who arbitrage what is to be stolen and from whom.

  250. ” The debt isn’t really something we can just start to pay down today if we got rid of our deficit. ”

    <-- Yes, it is. That it all does not come due instantly has nothing to do with it.

  251. ” All I am doing is trying to get people to debate accurately. ” <-- No, you aren't you are dishonestly distorting what others say to try to have an advantage. " Government aren't run to make profit so they can't be capitalist. " <-- Which has actually nothing to do with the matter. " All economies are a mixture of capitalist elements and socialist elements. " <-- Only to the extent the people in it are such idiots, or evil or unintelligent in some combination they think they can do better than liberty. If the constitution were respected fully, there would be no socialism in America because it is illegal. Private property rights, rights to associate freely, these make socialism illegal. " You can say the Democrats are trying to make us more socialist and we are socialist enough. " <-- No, America is far too socialist as it is, and every bit of it is illegal.

  252. Socialism has nothing to do with “not for profit”, it has to do with top down centralized command and control of the economy, preventing individual liberty — eliminating personal choice. No one said Venezuela was the only socialist country? Why are you either dumb or lying to claim they did?

  253. All I am doing is trying to get people to debate accurately. Government aren’t run to make profit so they can’t be capitalist. It has nothing to do with management and planning. If a corporation is a non-profit then yes they would be socialist. All economies are a mixture of capitalist elements and socialist elements. What you can argue about is what percentage of the economy should be one or the other. You can say we are too socialist because more than 30% of the economy is socialist. But what you can’t say is that country is socialist while that other country is capitalist because no country is totally one or the other. You can say the Democrats are trying to make us more socialist and we are socialist enough.

  254. All I am doing is trying to get people to debate accurately. Government aren’t run to make profit so they can’t be capitalist. It has nothing to do with management and planning. If a corporation is a non-profit then yes they would be socialist. All economies are a mixture of capitalist elements and socialist elements. What you can argue about is what percentage of the economy should be one or the other. You can say we are too socialist because more than 30{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of the economy is socialist. But what you can’t say is that country is socialist while that other country is capitalist because no country is totally one or the other. You can say the Democrats are trying to make us more socialist and we are socialist enough.

  255. Socialism seems to mean whatever people with agendas want it to mean. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners. There are many who believe taxation is theft and that government of any sort is evil. I am not a fan of anarchy. I believe that we have enough examples out there so we can see what works and what doesn’t. Socialist governments like Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, France, and the US seem to do a relatively good job of taking care of their people. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people.

  256. Socialism seems to mean whatever people with agendas want it to mean. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners. There are many who believe taxation is theft and that government of any sort is evil. I am not a fan of anarchy. I believe that we have enough examples out there so we can see what works and what doesn’t. Socialist governments like Great Britain Norway Sweden France and the US seem to do a relatively good job of taking care of their people. When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people.

  257. Thats oldest eristical trick in the book. Conflating terms, destryoing meaning of words and then flipping the discussion. Not on my watch, kiddo. Socialism means seizing means of production by government, central planned economy. Period. However with your “attempt at getting people to debate accurately” the fact that in order to make noodles you need flour will make pizza out of pasta, and hey, isnt that italian food, whata coincidence. Pasta, pizza, italian food-we are home! Flour is italian food ingredient! we all eat italian food. And since italians eat italian food therefore we are all Italians! magnificent, isnt it? Since court system is suddenly “socialism” that means, that we already have socialism! therefore now I can argue for more of it, and you cannot do antyhing about it! How brilliant.

    WRRRONG!

    No, welfare programs is not “socialism”. No, law is not “socialism”, military, police, court system etc. isnt “socilaism” either, and regulation isn’t socialism too. Learn meaning of words or get out.

  258. More likely the competent/incompetent analogy is appropriate. Venezuela is not failing because the government decided to help its people. That’s what government are for. Venezuela is failing because their leaders are incompetent.

  259. More likely the competent/incompetent analogy is appropriate. Venezuela is not failing because the government decided to help its people. That’s what government are for. Venezuela is failing because their leaders are incompetent.

  260. Only you and WarrenTheTroll are stup1d enough to think I am or have anything to do with Luca. ” Not really. You use the same writing style and even the same insults. Not to mention the latin padding in some of your posts. Nobody else does that.

  261. Only you and WarrenTheTroll are stup1d enough to think I am or have anything to do with Luca. “”Not really. You use the same writing style and even the same insults. Not to mention the latin padding in some of your posts. Nobody else does that.”””

  262. And you are really Scaryjello Scaramucho Sally Smellypants””Yeah”””” another troll account of Matteo Martini.”””

  263. No. They can charge fees for their services just like any other entity. Want police protection? Government can charge you a fee for it. Education for your kids? Same thing. Somehow doing so to get adjudication in the courts, access to national parks and even access on roads/bridges is AOK but not for police protection?

  264. No. They can charge fees for their services just like any other entity.Want police protection? Government can charge you a fee for it. Education for your kids? Same thing. Somehow doing so to get adjudication in the courts access to national parks and even access on roads/bridges is AOK but not for police protection?

  265. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules.” Legal thievery is still thievery. This harsh truth is why Libtards HATE it when hearing about how Taxation is Theft. They know they can’t argue against that…only buff up the ‘legitimacy’ of doing so. Likewise, Slavery is still slavery whether it is legal for the government to do so or not (the draft).

  266. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules.””Legal thievery is still thievery. This harsh truth is why Libtards HATE it when hearing about how Taxation is Theft. They know they can’t argue against that…only buff up the ‘legitimacy’ of doing so.Likewise”””” Slavery is still slavery whether it is legal for the government to do so or not (the draft).”””

  267. Not it isn’t. Else we would have stolen Iraq’s oil after conquering the place. We didn’t. The French and other nations did, but not US firms.

  268. Not it isn’t. Else we would have stolen Iraq’s oil after conquering the place. We didn’t. The French and other nations did but not US firms.

  269. the arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.” Then I take it that you have never had your Twitter account suspended or your App on the Apple App Store pulled?

  270. the arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.””Then I take it that you have never had your Twitter account suspended or your App on the Apple App Store pulled?”””

  271. …and Fascist economics is where the government doesn’t take over the means of production, but just lets it remain in private ownership while regulating the hell out of so much that the distinction is meaningless. In that, the US since FDR has been practicing ‘democratic fascism’ for some time now. Especially in health care and agriculture.

  272. …and Fascist economics is where the government doesn’t take over the means of production but just lets it remain in private ownership while regulating the hell out of so much that the distinction is meaningless.In that the US since FDR has been practicing ‘democratic fascism’ for some time now. Especially in health care and agriculture.

  273. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit.” So? We are talking about the economy. And no, that isn’t the definition of socialism either. It’s an amazing alternate reality that you live in. How many Scrooge McDuck money bins are in your town. You know, where the rich ‘hoard’ their money in?

  274. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit.””So? We are talking about the economy. And no”” that isn’t the definition of socialism either. It’s an amazing alternate reality that you live in. How many Scrooge McDuck money bins are in your town. You know”” where the rich ‘hoard’ their money in?”””

  275. Venezuela’s problems started because of capitalism (socialism is a new problem). Before Chavez became president Venezuela was one of the richest countries in South America but with some of the worst poverty. It’s government was overrun with greed and the people suffered. After Chavez became president, which only happened because the income inequality gap was ridiculous, he started to use the countries oil money to give back to the citizens (socialism) in the form of jobs, food and schools. That pissed off a lot of wealthy capitalists and so Chavez forced the government to begin taking over industry, not a good idea in most cases (the U.S. did it in WWII to great effect, but it was temporary). Here’s where it gets complicated. Under Chavez the poverty rate fell more than 50%. And so, he kept getting re-elected, until he died. Since then Maduro kept using the government to take over everything. Ugh. Socialism and Capitalism are both tools. Some tools work better in certain situations than others. Socialism got us to the moon in the 1960’s. It cost us a lot of money but I don’t think a single rational American would say today that it wasn’t worth it. A company certainly could not have gotten us to the moon in 1969, but today is a different story. Suddenly it’s SpaceX, a private company that is creating the most progress in the space industry. The U.S. military is a perfect example of where socialism does better than capitalism. Our military is bound by our constitution as it should be. A private military is only bound to the company’s fiduciary responsibility to make a profit. So we need to stop demonizing socialism and remember it’s just a tool like capitalism and it needs to be used correctly. And as long as we remain a democracy we’ll be okay no matter what 😉

  276. Facts are facts. Here’s a fact: the fake news media keeps you from the truth. “Nullity” and “democide” are fancy words that you hope will make others think you are as smart as you think you are. You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated. I’ve posted the info necessary to easily find the link that was censored. Read it, and reconnect with reality.

  277. Facts are facts. Here’s a fact: the fake news media keeps you from the truth. Nullity”” and “”””democide”””” are fancy words that you hope will make others think you are as smart as you think you are. You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated.I’ve posted the info necessary to easily find the link that was censored. Read it”””” and reconnect with reality.”””

  278. The debt isn’t really something we can just start to pay down today if we got rid of our deficit. Most of the debt is held in mutual funds and bonds that are owned by Americans and foreign governments. More than a quarter of the debt is what we owe to ourselves in the future such as pensions and social security. Out of the $21T debit a little less than one third is owed to foreign governments. The money we owe in funds and bonds will be paid back at the convenience of the borrower.

  279. Okay, I tried to post a link and it didn’t show up. So for the real story Google Abby Martin, Venezuela. and click on “Empire Files: Abby Martin in Venezuela – Supermarkets to Black Markets”.

  280. Okay I tried to post a link and it didn’t show up. So for the real story Google Abby Martin Venezuela. and click on Empire Files: Abby Martin in Venezuela – Supermarkets to Black Markets””.”””

  281. Venezuela, which could literally pump billions of dollars out of the ground, could not make socialism work. I am reminded of 1920’s Ukraine after they sent the Kulaks to Siberia and murderded them. There, the government actually printed up posters saying: PARENTS, DO NOT EAT YOUR CHILDREN. That is the true legacy of Socialism/Communism.

  282. Venezuela which could literally pump billions of dollars out of the ground could not make socialism work.I am reminded of 1920’s Ukraine after they sent the Kulaks to Siberia and murderded them. There the government actually printed up posters saying: PARENTS DO NOT EAT YOUR CHILDREN.That is the true legacy of Socialism/Communism.

  283. Thievery isn’t evil ” You believing that would explain your working so hard to advance Putin’s interests against America’s. ” Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. ” Tell it to the bastards hung at Nuremberg.

  284. Thievery isn’t evil “”You believing that would explain your working so hard to advance Putin’s interests against America’s.”””” Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. “”””Tell it to the bastards hung at Nuremberg.”””

  285. All I am doing is trying to get people to debate accurately. Government aren’t run to make profit so they can’t be capitalist. It has nothing to do with management and planning. If a corporation is a non-profit then yes they would be socialist. All economies are a mixture of capitalist elements and socialist elements. What you can argue about is what percentage of the economy should be one or the other. You can say we are too socialist because more than 30% of the economy is socialist. But what you can’t say is that country is socialist while that other country is capitalist because no country is totally one or the other. You can say the Democrats are trying to make us more socialist and we are socialist enough.

  286. Socialism seems to mean whatever people with agendas want it to mean. We basically have two economical system: Capitalism and socialism. The difference is that one exist to benefit people. The other exist to make profit and benefit owners.

    There are many who believe taxation is theft and that government of any sort is evil. I am not a fan of anarchy. I believe that we have enough examples out there so we can see what works and what doesn’t. Socialist governments like Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, France, and the US seem to do a relatively good job of taking care of their people.

    When people here take about uncontrolled government spending they seem to have a problem with this government helping to take care of black and brown people.

  287. More likely the competent/incompetent analogy is appropriate. Venezuela is not failing because the government decided to help its people. That’s what government are for. Venezuela is failing because their leaders are incompetent.

  288. Maybe the problem is you. Every single comment you produce is retardation on steroids. “al governments are socialst” ok, lets play this game “all corporations are sociailst” because there is management and planning. “All capitalist economies are socialist” then. By the same token, since both rape and voluntary interocurse require having sex it means that all intercourse is sex etc. If you are not 16yo then there is no excuse.

  289. Maybe the problem is you. Every single comment you produce is retardation on steroids. al governments are socialst”” ok”””” lets play this game “”””all corporations are sociailst”””” because there is management and planning. “”””All capitalist economies are socialist”””” then. By the same token”””” since both rape and voluntary interocurse require having sex it means that all intercourse is sex etc. If you are not 16yo then there is no excuse.”””

  290. “Only you and WarrenTheTroll are stup1d enough to think I am or have anything to do with Luca. ”

    Not really. You use the same writing style and even the same insults. Not to mention the latin padding in some of your posts. Nobody else does that.

  291. No. They can charge fees for their services just like any other entity.

    Want police protection? Government can charge you a fee for it. Education for your kids? Same thing. Somehow doing so to get adjudication in the courts, access to national parks and even access on roads/bridges is AOK but not for police protection?

  292. “Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules.”

    Legal thievery is still thievery. This harsh truth is why Libtards HATE it when hearing about how Taxation is Theft. They know they can’t argue against that…only buff up the ‘legitimacy’ of doing so.

    Likewise, Slavery is still slavery whether it is legal for the government to do so or not (the draft).

  293. “the arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.”

    Then I take it that you have never had your Twitter account suspended or your App on the Apple App Store pulled?

  294. …and Fascist economics is where the government doesn’t take over the means of production, but just lets it remain in private ownership while regulating the hell out of so much that the distinction is meaningless.

    In that, the US since FDR has been practicing ‘democratic fascism’ for some time now. Especially in health care and agriculture.

  295. “All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit.”

    So? We are talking about the economy. And no, that isn’t the definition of socialism either.

    It’s an amazing alternate reality that you live in. How many Scrooge McDuck money bins are in your town. You know, where the rich ‘hoard’ their money in?

  296. Facts are facts. Here’s a fact: the fake news media keeps you from the truth. “Nullity” and “democide” are fancy words that you hope will make others think you are as smart as you think you are. You are not smart. You are propagandized. You are Kool-Aid saturated.

    I’ve posted the info necessary to easily find the link that was censored. Read it, and reconnect with reality.

  297. Okay, I tried to post a link and it didn’t show up. So for the real story Google Abby Martin, Venezuela. and click on “Empire Files: Abby Martin in Venezuela – Supermarkets to Black Markets”.

  298. 1. Firstly, you are conflating the definition of socialism. From Wikipedia below “By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.” The US government does not technically own the means of production such as apple, google, etc. so they are capitalist. Venezuela takes over factories by force and runs them into the ground. Taking the means of production by force is literally the meaning of socialism. 2. Secondly, I would argue the leadership of Venezuela is not stupid at all. They are living like Kings while the country starves. So are they dictators, psychopaths, thugs? Yes they are all of those things, but they are not stupid. Similar arguments could be made for North Korea. The Un family of dictators has overseen mass starvation and prison camps for the last 70 years. The country is so bad people run away from it while being shot at. Once again they have lived liked smart kings for 70 years. I believe what Warren was saying is uncontrolled government spending and meddling in the economy always leads to destruction. It is really as simple as 50% of people figuring out they can vote themselves a raise. America is not immune to this. Both Republicans and Democrats are leading us down the same road as Venezuela. The federal government spends $4.4 trillion per year and only brings in $3 trillion. This is projected to continue indefinitely. So we could cut all federal spending 35% today and start paying down debt or we can keep going. The 2 political parties in power have chosen the status quo so I think we can make a pretty good assumption where America is headed.

  299. 1. Firstly you are conflating the definition of socialism. From Wikipedia belowBy the late 19th century” after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels” socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.””The US government does not technically own the means of production such as apple”” google etc. so they are capitalist. Venezuela takes over factories by force and runs them into the ground. Taking the means of production by force is literally the meaning of socialism.2. Secondly I would argue the leadership of Venezuela is not stupid at all. They are living like Kings while the country starves. So are they dictators psychopaths thugs? Yes they are all of those things”” but they are not stupid. Similar arguments could be made for North Korea. The Un family of dictators has overseen mass starvation and prison camps for the last 70 years. The country is so bad people run away from it while being shot at. Once again they have lived liked smart kings for 70 years. I believe what Warren was saying is uncontrolled government spending and meddling in the economy always leads to destruction. It is really as simple as 50{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} of people figuring out they can vote themselves a raise. America is not immune to this. Both Republicans and Democrats are leading us down the same road as Venezuela. The federal government spends $4.4 trillion per year and only brings in $3 trillion. This is projected to continue indefinitely. So we could cut all federal spending 35{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} today and start paying down debt or we can keep going. The 2 political parties in power have chosen the status quo so I think we can make a pretty good assumption where America is headed.”””

  300. Venezuela, which could literally pump billions of dollars out of the ground, could not make socialism work.

    I am reminded of 1920’s Ukraine after they sent the Kulaks to Siberia and murderded them. There, the government actually printed up posters saying: PARENTS, DO NOT EAT YOUR CHILDREN.

    That is the true legacy of Socialism/Communism.

  301. Design was on the cheap, yes. Desire to use 2% or less enrichment led them to use graphite. Never read that maintenance issues were contributing factors to the accident tho and I’ve studied the event more than most. Just a small nit I picked from your post.

  302. Design was on the cheap yes. Desire to use 2{22800fc54956079738b58e74e4dcd846757aa319aad70fcf90c97a58f3119a12} or less enrichment led them to use graphite. Never read that maintenance issues were contributing factors to the accident tho and I’ve studied the event more than most. Just a small nit I picked from your post.

  303. Thievery isn’t evil and it’s actually pretty hard to define outside of individual acts of people stealing the proverbial loaf of bread out of hunger. Nobody is going to argue that stealing the bread is evil. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. Was North America stolen or taken from the natives? Nope; it was appropriated perfectly legally; guys in powdered wigs said so. See? Governments can’t do anything illegal – illegal is a term applied to individuals (corporations are people too) that do not comply with government wishes. This happens everywhere – they just put lipstick on it in the USA.

  304. Thievery isn’t evil and it’s actually pretty hard to define outside of individual acts of people stealing the proverbial loaf of bread out of hunger. Nobody is going to argue that stealing the bread is evil. Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. Was North America stolen or taken from the natives? Nope; it was appropriated perfectly legally; guys in powdered wigs said so. See? Governments can’t do anything illegal – illegal is a term applied to individuals (corporations are people too) that do not comply with government wishes. This happens everywhere – they just put lipstick on it in the USA.

  305. I think it was in some documentary I saw. The soviets were financial strapped and had to let some things slide. Not sure how much of a role that played in things. Maybe the stupid experiments they were running were fully sufficient to cause the disaster.

  306. I think it was in some documentary I saw. The soviets were financial strapped and had to let some things slide. Not sure how much of a role that played in things. Maybe the stupid experiments they were running were fully sufficient to cause the disaster.

  307. ” Thievery isn’t evil ”

    You believing that would explain your working so hard to advance Putin’s interests against America’s.

    ” Everything a government does is legal because governments make the rules. ”

    Tell it to the bastards hung at Nuremberg.

  308. Maybe the problem is you. Every single comment you produce is retardation on steroids. “al governments are socialst” ok, lets play this game “all corporations are sociailst” because there is management and planning. “All capitalist economies are socialist” then. By the same token, since both rape and voluntary interocurse require having sex it means that all intercourse is sex etc.

    If you are not 16yo then there is no excuse.

  309. Perhaps a parasite/host analogy is appropriate. I am currently reading the first volume of Gulag Archipelago as recommended by Dr. Jordan Peterson. The arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.

  310. Perhaps a parasite/host analogy is appropriate. I am currently reading the first volume of Gulag Archipelago as recommended by Dr. Jordan Peterson. The arbitrariness of it all is the most shocking thing to me so far.

  311. Czechoslovakia is still a socialist country. Every country is. What you are complaining about is degrees. What you should have said is that Czechoslovakia was too socialist. Which is something that can happen. A country can also be too capitalist, in the sense that people are working 7 days a week, 16 hours a day and are still starving. That can also happen. The point is to find the proper balance. Of course any attempt to change things will bring out the screamers.

  312. Czechoslovakia is still a socialist country. Every country is. What you are complaining about is degrees. What you should have said is that Czechoslovakia was too socialist. Which is something that can happen. A country can also be too capitalist in the sense that people are working 7 days a week 16 hours a day and are still starving. That can also happen. The point is to find the proper balance. Of course any attempt to change things will bring out the screamers.

  313. Yes, taxing is stealing. Somehow a government is suppose to protect its people and provided them with law and order just my the grace of God.

  314. Yes taxing is stealing. Somehow a government is suppose to protect its people and provided them with law and order just my the grace of God.

  315. And you are really Scaryjello Scaramucho Sally Smellypants? Vibrant empower communities thought partnership big data humanitarian. Co-creation, equal opportunity dynamic, gender rights effective relief grit. Outcomes social innovation save the world to resilient. Issue outcomes natural resources think tank, improve the world mass incarceration compassion social innovation activate. Synergy initiative, milestones B-corp; revolutionary social innovation thought leadership framework human-centered. Disrupt resist systems thinking emerging social return on investment a. Correlation social innovation justice co-create parse think tank. Shared unit of analysis, replicable save the world global movements to collective impact. Paradigm efficient, society sustainable, collaborate. Resilient thought leadership equal opportunity peaceful paradigm; silo transparent dynamic.

  316. And you are really Scaryjello Scaramucho Sally Smellypants?Vibrant empower communities thought partnership big data humanitarian. Co-creation equal opportunity dynamic gender rights effective relief grit. Outcomes social innovation save the world to resilient. Issue outcomes natural resources think tank improve the world mass incarceration compassion social innovation activate. Synergy initiative milestones B-corp; revolutionary social innovation thought leadership framework human-centered. Disrupt resist systems thinking emerging social return on investment a. Correlation social innovation justice co-create parse think tank. Shared unit of analysis replicable save the world global movements to collective impact. Paradigm efficient society sustainable collaborate. Resilient thought leadership equal opportunity peaceful paradigm; silo transparent dynamic.

  317. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit. So to have a debate we need to know what you are talking about. What exactly do you mean by the word “socialism”? What makes only Venezuela socialist as oppose to every other country in the world? Maybe the problem is that Venezuela leadership is just stupid.

  318. All governments are socialist since none of them run for profit. So to have a debate we need to know what you are talking about. What exactly do you mean by the word socialism””? What makes only Venezuela socialist as oppose to every other country in the world? Maybe the problem is that Venezuela leadership is just stupid.”””

  319. I am curious: is there some reason why you added the mass of text at the end? Is it to fool automatic tools that classify your comment?

  320. I am curious: is there some reason why you added the mass of text at the end? Is it to fool automatic tools that classify your comment?

  321. Sure but people should still support freedom of speech for others, and not side with the trolls (ak.a. Warren the Troll, Tom Perkins among others)” Hahahahahahahahah! Love it. Says one thing in the first part of his sentence…then says something in the second part that contradicts what he says in the first. Typical Matteo Martini in action!

  322. Sure but people should still support freedom of speech for others and not side with the trolls (ak.a. Warren the Troll” Tom Perkins among others)””Hahahahahahahahah! Love it. Says one thing in the first part of his sentence…then says something in the second part that contradicts what he says in the first.Typical Matteo Martini in action!”””

  323. He’s from Italy. Lives in Japan currently. His real name is Matteo Martini. Here is is Facebook page: bit.ly/2OF7qHf Years ago, he stupidly identified himself and posted his FB page link. So no, I am not ‘doxying’ him.

  324. He’s from Italy. Lives in Japan currently.His real name is Matteo Martini. Here is is Facebook page: bit.ly/2OF7qHfYears ago he stupidly identified himself and posted his FB page link. So no I am not ‘doxying’ him.

  325. Yes. That is proof THAT BRIAN wrote that. Not proof of anyone else writing that. Love how you and Tommy change the goal posts mid-stream.

  326. Yes. That is proof THAT BRIAN wrote that. Not proof of anyone else writing that. Love how you and Tommy change the goal posts mid-stream.

  327. What word? I never declared that there would be a coup takeover by the Venezuelan military. Once again, Tommy Boy libels others here on NBF.

  328. What word? I never declared that there would be a coup takeover by the Venezuelan military. Once again Tommy Boy libels others here on NBF.

  329. All the right wingers agreed .” No they didn’t, Matteo. Once again, you live in your imaginary world and expect the rest of us to play along.

  330. All the right wingers agreed .””No they didn’t”” Matteo. Once again”” you live in your imaginary world and expect the rest of us to play along.”””

  331. Yes. The USSR was basically a Marxist totalitarian version of an Austro-Hungarian or Holy Roman empire. Large, multi-ethnic polities don’t last long…particularly when only one or two of those ethnic states run the show for all the others (if that sounds like the present-day EU to you…it should).

  332. Yes. The USSR was basically a Marxist totalitarian version of an Austro-Hungarian or Holy Roman empire. Large multi-ethnic polities don’t last long…particularly when only one or two of those ethnic states run the show for all the others (if that sounds like the present-day EU to you…it should).

  333. It was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained,” Forget maintenance, it was pathetically designed, period. It was a graphite pile reactor like the first one we fired up under the bleachers at the U of Chicago back when we didn’t know any better. No such reactor would have ever been approved for commercial use in the West. ANY Western nation.

  334. It was obvious that the reactor was poorly maintained”””Forget maintenance”” it was pathetically designed”” period. It was a graphite pile reactor like the first one we fired up under the bleachers at the U of Chicago back when we didn’t know any better. No such reactor would have ever been approved for commercial use in the West. ANY Western nation.”””

  335. To their credit, the Soviets practiced total central planning communism and transformed a mostly agrarian, illiterate nation into an industrial, educated powerhouse for a while there. Still not good for the long haul as the power-hungry factions screw it all up compared to non-central planned economies (more or less). Recommended reading: a.co/d/53h92qw

  336. To their credit the Soviets practiced total central planning communism and transformed a mostly agrarian illiterate nation into an industrial educated powerhouse for a while there. Still not good for the long haul as the power-hungry factions screw it all up compared to non-central planned economies (more or less).Recommended reading: a.co/d/53h92qw

  337. Why would the US intervene? We already are the #1 exporter of oil. Letting Venezuela stay in Ocasio-Sanders Socialist Collapse Land also means keeping their oil off the market, too.

  338. Why would the US intervene? We already are the #1 exporter of oil. Letting Venezuela stay in Ocasio-Sanders Socialist Collapse Land also means keeping their oil off the market too.

  339. As they say, Socialism is all sh!ts & giggles until you have to start eating the zoo animals. Ocasio-Cortez 2020 for President!

  340. As they say Socialism is all sh!ts & giggles until you have to start eating the zoo animals.Ocasio-Cortez 2020 for President!

  341. Don’t worry too much about if Luca has a point or not. He’ll switch his ideology around if he thinks he’ll get a better rise out of it. He’s just a troll and this site is his favorite bridge to sleep under. Even Luca admits that he’s been banned and isn’t wanted here, but he insists on coming back under new handles anyway because it’s fun, or something.